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03-21-2015, 02:49 PM
bobcat91

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Originally Posted by smootness

Haha ok.

I love the number of people who claim to know what is going on.

There are a few people who have proven to have good info before, and they almost always suggest something different than most.

I hope its someone else personally. I really like miller, Jacobson, Jankovich at SMU and Harper at W Kentucky. I want a young coach with a wide open offense.
03-21-2015, 02:57 PM
smootness

I'm telling you, make Krystkowiak say no. The guy took over Utah 4 years ago and they were in horrendous shape, just as they were moving to the PAC-12. They were at risk of being completely left behind and rendered irrelevant. He has improved them significantly every year, and here they are with a 5 seed and a real shot at the Sweet 16 in year 4.

Again, he's from out west and has spent almost his entire career out there, so it might not be possible, but he would be my first call.

He has NBA experience as well.
03-21-2015, 03:20 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by smootness

I'm telling you, make Krystkowiak say no. The guy took over Utah 4 years ago and they were in horrendous shape, just as they were moving to the PAC-12. They were at risk of being completely left behind and rendered irrelevant. He has improved them significantly every year, and here they are with a 5 seed and a real shot at the Sweet 16 in year 4.

Again, he's from out west and has spent almost his entire career out there, so it might not be possible, but he would be my first call.

He has NBA experience as well.

Great coach but he wouldn't even return Stricks call
03-21-2015, 03:24 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by smootness

I'm telling you, make Krystkowiak say no. The guy took over Utah 4 years ago and they were in horrendous shape, just as they were moving to the PAC-12. They were at risk of being completely left behind and rendered irrelevant. He has improved them significantly every year, and here they are with a 5 seed and a real shot at the Sweet 16 in year 4.

Again, he's from out west and has spent almost his entire career out there, so it might not be possible, but he would be my first call.

He has NBA experience as well.

I hate to say it, but Utah is a far more prestigious program than we are. No way this guy leaves Utah, who is happy with him, to come to us.

But I agree that he'd be a good hire if SS somehow pulled it off.
03-21-2015, 03:32 PM
thunderclap

http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/l....html%23page=1
03-21-2015, 04:32 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by smootness

Haha ok.

I love the number of people who claim to know what is going on.

There are a few people who have proven to have good info before, and they almost always suggest something different than most.

I wish there was a function on this board to thank a post. Fist bump or something.
03-21-2015, 04:41 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I hate to say it, but Utah is a far more prestigious program than we are. No way this guy leaves Utah, who is happy with him, to come to us.

But I agree that he'd be a good hire if SS somehow pulled it off.

Oh, that's almost certainly true. But I'd at least make them give him a fat raise. He isn't making much right now.
03-21-2015, 05:11 PM
tcdog70

Payne, would not surprise me, especially if he brings Newman. Just saying
03-21-2015, 05:21 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Payne, would not surprise me, especially if he brings Newman. Just saying

And I'd be happy
03-21-2015, 05:35 PM
blacklistedbully

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Howland is a good coach- would be a great pull if he thinks he can recruit here

From his history at UCLA, it seems like Howland might have handled discipline problems even worse than Stands did.
03-21-2015, 05:49 PM
gravedigger

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Originally Posted by bobcat91

Scott is not involved.

My sarcasm meter is not calibrated or you are apfinsup
03-21-2015, 05:54 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

From his history at UCLA, it seems like Howland might have handled discipline problems even worse than Stands did.

Maybe so, but Howland is everything we wanted Stansbury to be. An elite recruiter, but he still finished around .500 in the conference even in his worst years (compared to Stans just usually doing it), winning multiple Pac-12 regular season championships (compared to Stans' 1), and multiple deep runs in the tournament -- 3 final fours.

The Stansbury-Howland comparisons are valid, but Howland is superior to Stansbury by every measure. Considering how many posters wish Stans were still our coach, I'd think there would be universal joy if Howland were hired.
03-21-2015, 06:02 PM
smootness

The problem is that early Howland is clearly better than Stans, but late Howland really isn't. It's a risk, not a no-doubt home run.
03-21-2015, 06:19 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by smootness

The problem is that early Howland is clearly better than Stans, but late Howland really isn't. It's a risk, not a no-doubt home run.

I disagree. Howland made 3 NCAA Tournaments in his last 5 years (of 10 total), including a conference championship, and 2 second place finishes. That's the bad half of his UCLA stint (the good half had 3 final fours), and it's better than Stan's entire tenure (though slightly less good than Stans best 5-year-stretch, which had 4 NCAA appearances).

Also, Howland was only upset once in the NCAA Tournament. If Howland comes in here and has a 5-year stretch that resembles his last 5 at UCLA, then he was a good hire. If Howland has a 5-year stretch that resembles his overall tenure at UCLA, he was a home run.
03-21-2015, 06:41 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Tom Crean would be a home run hire if we could get him. He could possibly be fired from Indiana or just get fed up about being on the hot seat and leave.

He's so good he's about to get shit canned at Indiana- no thanks.
03-21-2015, 06:43 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Bobby Hurley
Scott Drew
Danny Hurley
Bryce Drew
Tommy Amaker
Archie Miller
Hubert Davis
Bob Knight
Ben Jacobson
Brad Underwood
Steven Prohm
Chris Jans
Mark Jackson
Brad Stevens (maybe he hates the NBA)
Lionel Hollins

Couple pipe dreams in there but we only need to hire one

I'm not sure if there is a guy on that list that will take this job. And I think some are excellent choices that I like.
03-21-2015, 10:08 PM
ScottH

Didn't Joe Dooley, then at Kansas now at Florida Gulf Coast, supposedly have an interest in the position when Rick Ray was hired?
03-21-2015, 10:19 PM
civildawg

We will kiss our program goodbye if we hire Payne. I would have rather kept Ray
03-21-2015, 11:06 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by smootness

The problem is that early Howland is clearly better than Stans, but late Howland really isn't. It's a risk, not a no-doubt home run.

Didn't UCLA have a ton of players leaving early for the NBA? They were mini Kentucky once players figured out they only had to go one year there and then it's NBA. Howland had difficulty with that. He didn't embrace that challenge as well as Calipari did. We'd be lucky to have that problem ever here.
03-22-2015, 12:04 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by civildawg

We will kiss our program goodbye if we hire Payne. I would have rather kept Ray

I agree. Those that want Kenny Payne only want him because of his connection to this World Wide Wes character. They think WWW will deliver players to Payne at MSU.
03-22-2015, 12:42 AM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

I agree. Those that want Kenny Payne only want him because of his connection to this World Wide Wes character. They think WWW will deliver players to Payne at MSU.

There is literally no "think" to it. It's 100% fact. WWW, Calipari & Co run the CBB world. If you haven't figured that out, I don't know what to tell you. Spitting in their faces and hiring Ray over Cal's top assistant might've been one of the dumbest moves we've ever made at MSU. Even if Payne couldn't coach worth a single damn, he'd have left the cupboard full for the next guy. We know what Ray is leaving.
03-22-2015, 06:51 AM
Political Hack

I'd hire WWW to consult us on the search, but set parameters... 1) has to have head coaching experience, 2) etc...

I still think Shaka's glow at VCU is fading and he could potentially leave for good money. At worst, I'd make him say "not interested." Pipe dream, but I've never understood people who are to afraid to ask a question because someone might respond "no." Why the hell are people so afraid of "no"?

After we get our head guy, Coach Newman is going to be an exciting hire though.
03-22-2015, 07:27 AM
grinnindawg

Looking at past history, hiring a coach who understands recruiting within a 5 hour drive of Starkville would be smart.

Babe, Rick, and Richard all understood the who, how, and where of recruiting to MSU.
Greene may have as well, but inheriting Rickey Brown and company kind of skews limited data.

Hiring someone who has to learn MSU and how to get players to come to Starkville seems foolish to me.

SEC WINNING PERCENTAGE
Coach (Tenure) Pct Record
1. Ron Greene (1978) ....................... .722 13-5
2. Babe McCarthy (1956-65) ............ .620 88-54
3. Rick Stansbury (1999-2012) ......... .545 122-102
4. Frank Carideo (1936-39) .............. .466 27-31
5. Richard Williams (1987-98) .......... .441 89-113
6. Stanﬁeld Hitt (1940-47) ................. .427 41-55
03-22-2015, 07:54 AM
rrog17

What about Jeff Capel? Was ok at OK before running into some problems. Been back on Coack K's bench for a couple of years.
03-22-2015, 08:00 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

There is literally no "think" to it. It's 100% fact. WWW, Calipari & Co run the CBB world. If you haven't figured that out, I don't know what to tell you. Spitting in their faces and hiring Ray over Cal's top assistant might've been one of the dumbest moves we've ever made at MSU. Even if Payne couldn't coach worth a single damn, he'd have left the cupboard full for the next guy. We know what Ray is leaving.

Hmm. I wonder why he isn't a head coach already then if it is locked in stone that he would load the cupboard. He's not even the lead assistant on Calipari's staff.
03-22-2015, 08:45 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Maybe I missed him bring mentioned, but what about Kermit Davis at MTSU?
03-22-2015, 04:16 PM
bobcat91

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootness

Haha ok.

I love the number of people who claim to know what is going on.

There are a few people who have proven to have good info before, and they almost always suggest something different than most.

Sucks not to have connections, doesn't it.

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