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03-21-2015, 12:38 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by KB21

DeMarcus Simonds has already decommitted.

That was obviously going to happen. Hopefully the new guy will be someone who can go out and get some guys like that from the 2016 class.

What I'm more worried about is losing Tookie and/or Weatherspoon. That would really hurt us.
03-21-2015, 12:39 PM
Coach34

Pelphrey has head coaching experience and has been Donovan's right hand man at Fla since leaving UPig. Pel also had a top 5 recruiting class signed when he was fired at UPIg
03-21-2015, 12:39 PM
engie

LT part 2 IMO***
03-21-2015, 12:40 PM
mic

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Originally Posted by KB21

You can't blame Scott Stricklin for coaches turning the job down after the mess Rick Stansbury left. Job was offered twice to Steve Prohm, who turned it down. Offered to Bryce Drew, who turned it down. No one wanted this job.

Of course they turned it down .. What we were offering and they way he asked them to win.. Who could blame them
03-21-2015, 12:41 PM
TheDogFather

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

I think SS owes us an apology for hiring Ray in the first place.

I think Coach34 owes this board an apology for all of his incorrect info and sources in the situation.
03-21-2015, 12:41 PM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Thanks to the Big Dawgs- they came through

your inside source isn't so inside it appears 34. you were convinced you had the scoop but in reality you didn't.
03-21-2015, 12:43 PM
engie

We'll know whether we made the right hire by whether or not Malik jumps in the boat immediately. That's one of those guys that Ole Miss absolutely would not lose from within our shoes. Find a damn way...
03-21-2015, 12:43 PM
HailState39110

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Originally Posted by Coach34

John Pelphrey...add Butch Pierre or Robert Kirby to be Asst HC.

Im on board with Pelphrey and Kirby
03-21-2015, 12:45 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Pelphrey has head coaching experience and has been Donovan's right hand man at Fla since leaving UPig. Pel also had a top 5 recruiting class signed when he was fired at UPIg

And he proved he isn't a good enough coach. I don't want a program that treads water and makes the NIT. Otherwise I would have rather we just kept Stans, who was much better than Pelphrey.
03-21-2015, 12:48 PM
bgover4

I hope the details are already worked out and we already have the next guy lined up this time
03-21-2015, 12:51 PM
mic

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Originally Posted by smootness

And he proved he isn't a good enough coach. I don't want a program that treads water and makes the NIT. Otherwise I would have rather we just kept Stans, who was much better than Pelphrey.

Not saying I'm for Pelphrey. But he could recruit and just because he couldn't win like they wanted him too at Ark doesn't mean he would be a terrible hire.
A Grant went NCAA NIT NCAA in his 3 years at VCU and couldn't win at Bama..
03-21-2015, 12:55 PM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Thanks for the memories Rick (to be fair, the wins over Ole Miss, the win over LSU, and the win @ Tennessee are probably among my top MSU basketball memories, so he did register a few), and thanks for setting up the next coach to have a shot at success.

I feel your pain. Assuming you are a student. I was a student during the Croom debacle.
03-21-2015, 01:01 PM
RougeDawg

Hey all you Ray supporters who thought/hoped Ray would eventually make some MSU Basketball noise in March, you got your wish. Oh and these**.
03-21-2015, 01:02 PM
HailState39110

I'm a little shocked by the news . I think alot of the Alumni who have given money to the university and basketball program over the years expressed their thoughts to SS and SS listened . Nothing more. Not a lot of people were ever on board with Rick Ray and 3 years of not showing any life costs him his job.

I just hope in the next month when we announce a hire I don't have to google the name of the guy we hire because I've never heard of him
03-21-2015, 01:04 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Bully13

your inside source isn't so inside it appears 34. you were convinced you had the scoop but in reality you didn't.

I clearly said the decision was going to have to come from above Stricklin- and it did
03-21-2015, 01:06 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by HailState39110

I'm a little shocked by the news . I think alot of the Alumni who have given money to the university and basketball program over the years expressed their thoughts to SS and SS listened . Nothing more. Not a lot of people were ever on board with Rick Ray and 3 years of not showing any life costs him his job.

I just hope in the next month when we announce a hire I don't have to google the name of the guy we hire because I've never heard of him

The program is in better shape now than it was then. It's not a cesspool of drugs and malcontents any longer.
03-21-2015, 01:06 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by smootness

And he proved he isn't a good enough coach. I don't want a program that treads water and makes the NIT. Otherwise I would have rather we just kept Stans, who was much better than Pelphrey.

Well, the coach we hire isn't going to have 5 NCAA Tourney appearances as a HC - I can promise you that
03-21-2015, 01:07 PM
Coach34

Nick Saban didn't win a NC at his first big college job- sometimes it takes the right situation for a coach to have success- no matter how good he is
03-21-2015, 01:09 PM
TheDogFather

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Originally Posted by KB21

The program is in better shape now than it was then. It's not a cesspool of drugs and malcontents any longer.

We are now one coach removed from Rick Stansbury. Yet we still are reminded of how he single handedly brought down the greatness of what was MSU basketball.

At least the next coach will be compared to a perennial loser instead of a perennial winner.
03-21-2015, 01:10 PM
sandwolf

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Hey all you Ray supporters who thought/hoped Ray would eventually make some MSU Basketball noise in March, you got your wish. Oh and these**.

I have got to hand it to you......you are incredibly consistent in being the worst poster on this board.
03-21-2015, 01:10 PM
grinnindawg

Why in heavens name would we do that?

His record after four seasons with the Razorbacks was 69?59

I'd rather take a flier on a complete unknown than go with someone who wasn't successful with the resources of Arkansas.
03-21-2015, 01:10 PM
mparkerfd20

Hell yes!!!! Just got online and saw this. Hallelujah my weekend has just been made!!
03-21-2015, 01:13 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I clearly said the decision was going to have to come from above Stricklin- and it did

LOL, you info wasn't as good as you thought. It never has been for basketball.
03-21-2015, 01:15 PM
Acid mouth

I'm crying tears of joy! It's even better news when u least expect it!!
03-21-2015, 01:15 PM
Dawg61

**** YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
03-21-2015, 01:16 PM
mic

2 hammers have come down in the past couple of hours....
03-21-2015, 01:21 PM
mparkerfd20

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Hey all you Ray supporters who thought/hoped Ray would eventually make some MSU Basketball noise in March, you got your wish. Oh and these**.

Best post in this thread so far.
03-21-2015, 01:22 PM
shannondawg

Why can't we just say it was a well thought out decision that was what was best for the program.
03-21-2015, 01:25 PM
mstatefan91

Damn, Rick Ray is trending on Twitter. Didn't realize our program was still that big of a deal
03-21-2015, 01:31 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

@ESPNAndyKatz:Mississippi State should go get Ben Howland. You want to be relevant w/ John Calipari, Billy Donovan and Bruce Pearl in SEC? Get Howland.

I wouldn't be mad if this happened.
03-21-2015, 01:32 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Nick Saban didn't win a NC at his first big college job- sometimes it takes the right situation for a coach to have success- no matter how good he is

Saban had to go to a program with far more resources and prestige before he had ultimate success. And he still had good success at Michigan State. He wasn't fired, he got hired at LSU off of that.

Pelphrey already failed at a program with more inherent advantages than State. He was never better than mediocre and got fired. That analogy is awful. Anyone touting Pelphrey should be excluded from the conversation.

And others get labeled with the 'poor ol State' moniker? Good grief.
03-21-2015, 01:34 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

@ESPNAndyKatz:Mississippi State should go get Ben Howland. You want to be relevant w/ John Calipari, Billy Donovan and Bruce Pearl in SEC? Get Howland.

I wouldn't be mad if this happened.

SAME here... Wow, that's a great name I hadn't thought of in awhile...
03-21-2015, 01:34 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by mic

2 hammers have come down in the past couple of hours....

Other hammer?
03-21-2015, 01:35 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by shannondawg

Why can't we just say it was a well thought out decision that was what was best for the program.

Cheers to this.
03-21-2015, 01:35 PM
mstatefan91

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Other hammer?

This^
03-21-2015, 01:40 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Attachment 994

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Originally Posted by engie

SAME here... Wow, that's a great name I hadn't thought of in awhile...

That's a pretty impressive run from Pitt to UCLA. I know he didn't win a national championship, but he's shown he can get in position for one.
03-21-2015, 02:30 PM
Saltydog

I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED I say. Disappointed, no but I'm shocked they didn't give

him one more year. It's time we regain our basketball superiority in this State.
03-21-2015, 02:32 PM
C222

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Attachment 994

That's a pretty impressive run from Pitt to UCLA. I know he didn't win a national championship, but he's shown he can get in position for one.

I mentioned Howland months ago. He would load our roster with talent.
03-21-2015, 02:43 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Attachment 994

That's a pretty impressive run from Pitt to UCLA. I know he didn't win a national championship, but he's shown he can get in position for one.

The only thing that gives me pause is what happened immediately following this stretch. Something happened within that program in 08 or 09, and it wasn't good. He basically ended his tenure there the way Stans did here; the only difference is that he won a little more, but not more than the relative difference between State and UCLA.

If we get Pitt-early UCLA Howland, amazing. If we get late UCLA Howland, it could mean really bad news.
03-21-2015, 03:34 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by smootness

The only thing that gives me pause is what happened immediately following this stretch. Something happened within that program in 08 or 09, and it wasn't good. He basically ended his tenure there the way Stans did here; the only difference is that he won a little more, but not more than the relative difference between State and UCLA.

If we get Pitt-early UCLA Howland, amazing. If we get late UCLA Howland, it could mean really bad news.

I think we'd get even better than the earlier version. He's had time to recharge his batteries and reflect now and has, by all accounts, been chomping at the bit to get back into coaching.

I think Stans will also be better than the guy he was early in his career and be a much better head coach when he gets another shot somewhere. That time for reflection can really help guys understand and accept shortcomings and thus be more apt to address them on the front end...

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