Big difference in Black and Endo-Black will be fine and has some basketball intelligence- Endo is a 7 min per game guy.
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Big difference in Black and Endo-Black will be fine and has some basketball intelligence- Endo is a 7 min per game guy.
Honestly and Engie you can quote me on this, I would replace Ndoye, Black, Daniels, Dunlap. We will get very little out of these four. Of course I'd only do that with a new coach hired first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Do you understand the concept of a freshman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Daniels and Dunlap, you could have a point on, even with Dunlap himself being a freshman. Ndoye and Black? They were never supposed to be guys who carried the team this year. They're developmental guys.
They can develop themselves. Just not at MSU anymore. I'm cutthroat when we suck. LSU has Hornsby. Ole Miss has Moody. I want those type players brought in. Those players are ready to start day 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Black will be a good player. He shouldn't be encouraged to go anywhere
Death, Taxes, and Undersized point guards during the Rick Ray era.
Dunlap averages more points than Black.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He's a freshman. Charles Rhodes avg 2.9 points a game as a freshman. Glad you didn't run him off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Not saying black is gonna be Rhodes good. Just saying be a little patient. Look at the difference between johnson his freshman year to now
I have no patience when we suck. I understand you like him though so I'll ease off.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If I say I like ray will you ease off him too?***Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
My patience with ray is stretching thin...
If I actually thought you liked Ray maybe but I just think you like Tookie, Spoon and Simonds and you're afraid we'll lose them through the change. Never ever let recruits dictate whose the HC. "Learn this you will." YodaQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You wanted to cut Thomas from the team before the season- so pretty much everything you post is up for scrutiny. Black is going to be a decent player- Dunlap? Not so muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Yea cause Thomas is All-SEC.****Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If we lose ray, we'll lose simonds. If Ray bombs next season, I want em gone if it costs us every player we have. I'm trying to keep an open mind about ray and hope more talent next year results in postseason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Open mind sounds more like a blind eye to me. You can't ignore the suck. Ignoring the suck and hoping for magical turnarounds only extends the suck even longer and we are at a critical point in time that will influence the next four year path we take. Us waiting just one more year will bite us in the ass for a long time continuously. The time to fire Ray is after THIS YEAR not after next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Don't convince me. Convince SS. I know ray will be back so I'm pulling for him. If SS does pull the trigger, I'll pull for the new coachQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
So, you want a full roster of 13 and want these all cut? Makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Replaced with better players. Still a full 13. It's called positive turnover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
You want a team full of JUCOs. It's ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
We brag about the player development and redshirting of our football and baseball coaches- but want instant success from basketball. OKQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
The number wouldn't be so high if we didn't suck and have so many players less than acceptable SEC talent wise. Sign better players and the positive turnover numbers come down. Win more games and the positive turnover comes down. When we win 20+ games I'm no longer asking for a 25% turnover rate every year. When we suck assholes the number is high. Ray could blindfold himself and walk into a college gym on a Saturday anywhere and pick four guys better than Ndoye, Daniels, Black and Dunlap. Of the 600 transfers last year in basketball I bet 400 of them are better than all four those names.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Our football team would suck more than Vandy if they redshirted and attempted to develop the football equivalent of Ray's back of the bench players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
All this talk about about how undersized shooting guards won't cut it, ... hmmm! ... can you say Stephon Moody?
Basketball fortunes can change with a couple of talented players.If after a year a Coach realizes he has players that will not fit then a smart Coach will let them go and bring in some transfers of His own. We need a Moody. Ray just doesn't seem to have any kind of recruiting network. Transfers or JuCo players that other Coaches rely on are just not in His resume. That could be the reason we sux. There is absolutely no reason after 3 years that we have only one sorta decent point guard that almost every other teams point guard has a career game against.
Haha this is a great point.Quote:
Originally Posted by MabenMaroon
As I've said from day one, any issues Ready has have little to do with his size. If his defense isn't great, it's not because he's too small. Same with his shot. Moody gets really high on his shot, which helps, but guys are rarely shooting with a guy literally in their face almost blocking their shot anyway.
I'm fine with Ray going after smaller point guards if they're talented enough. I believe Ready and Tookie are both talented enough.
He is strong, can create his own shot , doesn't turn the ball over and has a 40 in vertical. Who is our undersized guard that can do,this?Quote:
Originally Posted by MabenMaroon
To some degree, sure. I'm not saying we shouldn't bring in any transfers. But Dawg61 has before, and is again, suggesting that we should kick multiple players off the team and replace them with either JUCOs, transfers, or kids from Sanderson. That's just insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Not to mention that any transfers will have to sit out a year, and we already know that any player you bring in who can't play immediately, thus leaving you with less than 13 scholarship players able to play at all times, is going to met with severe disapproval from him.
I'd say tookie can create his own shot. He's scored over 3,000 in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
There's immediately ready D1 transfers all over the place. D2 and D3 also don't have to sit. Jucos don't have to sit. There's hundreds and hundreds of players ready to play each year. We need to be getting our share of them just like every single decent team in America is taking advantage of and getting RIGHT NOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Guess as of right now how many players I'm saying do this with next year? Zero. That can and most likely will change based on who shows they can't cut the mustard. Cohen cuts players left and right. Mullen too. Get of your ****ing high horse already. Basketball is the scumiest sport of all and you want Mother Teresa as head coach at MSU. We're gonna suck for a decade straight.
While I would like to see more talent on the team, I'm not sure I'm wiling to stoop to bashing individual players.
These guys you all are dissing right now are still Dawgs and still deserve our support as long as they wear that uniform.
Just my opinion ....
Immediately ready d1 transfers all over the place??? Really? All over the place huh? Pipe dream man. I get it you don't like RR, and I'm ok w that. But your answers to fix the problem, such as this, are just not well thought out period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I'm not suggesting we not cut multiple players and bring in several JUCO/transfer/D2 players because it isn't the 'right thing to do,' though we can have that discussion if you want. I'm suggesting not doing that because it's a terrible way to run a program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
If you're a big-time program with a big-time coach who can continue to bring in top players, you may be able to withstand that, at least for a while. But you're going to find it harder and harder to recruit basketball players for yourself by doing that. You won't find a single successful program anywhere that routinely cuts multiple players, especially guys they just recruited, to bring in a bunch of transfers.
And I see that no, you're not necessarily suggesting we get a bunch of JUCOs. You're suggesting we cut a freshman who had several other Power 5 offers (Oklahoma, Wichita State, Ole Miss) for D2 and D3 players. Awesome.
Another factor you aren't taking into account is apr- doing it your way is a great way to get pounded by it.
**** sakes man. We are HORRIBLE in basketball and we haven't had ONE SINGLE TRANSFER in the last three years. Not one single one. Name me another Power 5 team that can say that. WE ARENT PLAYING THE SAME GAME AS EVERYONE ELSE! We have to get transfers/jucos to survive!Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Daniels and zuppardoQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
fifyQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You said in your last sentence of post I responded to that we have to get transfers/jucos to surviveQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
No.....you said JUCOs/TransfersQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
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We have to get transfers/jucos to survive!
Jesus. I'm not saying only get transfers. Im simply pointing out we are the only school anywhere that hasn't gotten one single one in the last three years. I'm getting off this argument now. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN TRANSFERS, FFS. You're saying we haven't gotten a JUCO or Transfer in 3 years, yet we've gotten JUCOs in the past three years. Christ....you literally cannot function right now, 61. Step away from the keyboard for a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61