So? I'm sure they've seen hours of film on him. You play your best players at this level. It's simple. That's why Holder came in again last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by archdog
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So? I'm sure they've seen hours of film on him. You play your best players at this level. It's simple. That's why Holder came in again last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by archdog
I would like to see Lindgren pitch just to throw somebody out there who hasn't been seen in Omaha yet, with that being said I have a feeling that Cohen is gonna pencil in Graveman for the start Friday and at this point I'm not second guessing anything that man does.
I don't dispute the talent of Lindgren but at this point in the season I don't trust him. There is a reason we haven't seen him in a month. To me it would equate running Evan Mitchell out there in hopes he could catch lightning in a bottle. Yeah if he gets on he could throw a shutout but he also could give up 4 runs before we could get a reliever loose. Which opens the door for a team facing elimination, pulling the foot off their throat so to speak. You have to be able to trust who you run out to the mound with this much on the line. It's great to think about "what if" but you can't afford to gamble and be wrong.
Like TexasDawg said, at the end of the day- whatever Cohen does is fine by me. The man has a knack for knowing his players and when to utilize them.
You are correct. It's lunacy to start anyone other than Graveman. Look back at all the last few CWS champions, their ace goes in the opening round, the bracket championship and then again in Game 2 of the championship series.
Again, this should not even be discussed.
I absolutely agree with that salty.
Lindgren was giving us good innings all season then had two bad outings against Vandy. You all threw him out with the dirty water (coaches included) but two of his losses are Vandy and let's see who else on our staff has beaten them.. No one.
But let's sit here and keep a mid 90 LHP on the bench while you guys are happy with a starter giving us two or three innings. I love this team but roll out the same three every game and we are taking the chabce to get beat.
Lindgren is talented and will be our #2 SP next year-but it would be hard to throw him out there right now
We take the chance to get beat every time we play. There has to be a reason Lindgren isn't n the fold right now....they don't trust him for whatever reason. No doubt his talent and I would love if he were right but he hasn't been right for some time.
Kinda like all the hub bub about Porter getting screwed, Cohens an idiot, etc about Porter not getting to hit and then it comes out he has an eye issue for the last month. I'm laying my trust in the staff. And from what I see with what I feel is pretty good baseball experience I agree with the coaches. He ain't had it the last couple of months and can't be trusted.
I wouldn't be opposed to lindgren getting an inning in relief if a good opportunity presented itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The captains on the team told Cohen he wasn't taking it serious enough. He was in the bullpen cracking jokes and horsing around after having the worst outing of the year against Vandy in the SEC Tourney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lefthandersrule
how do you know this? that is a very serious allegation. if it is true, then I'm glad he's benched.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
You really shouldn't be spreading rumors about things like this. If Lindgren's not taking it serious then what would you consider Ross is doing? Is that why Ross is not playing? Or any of the other players for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
I would say that there is a huge difference between playing loose and cutting up and displaying a who gives a shit attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lefthandersrule
Some guys can't handle the looseness of what we are doing. Some players take it too far and have a don't give a shit or lazy attitude toward everything. It's a maturity issue.
I agree with that. From the outside it's hard to judge, but if Cohen and/or the captains of the team don't feel like Lindgren has the fire and competitive spirit needed to take the hill in a big game then he shouldn't be in there. It's frustrating at times that we have Evan Mitchell, Lindgren and Woodruff on our roster and get zero out of them, then Renfroe doesn't exactly look like the 13th overall pick right now, but this is a team built on guys who grind and are winners - not just a bunch of talent. This team is a reflection of Cohen. We are going to put the guys out there who aren't going to fold and are going to give their all. That's what you want, and that's what we'll get. Whoever Cohen calls for on Friday night, I'm behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Interesting. Does anyone remember the countless times that I said Lindgren and Woodruff needed to spend a little less time with Evan Mitchell goofing off on the bench? I was worried that Evan was contagious and being a little too goofy.
There is a big difference in having a little fun in the dugout, and spending more time worried about free styling than you do your starting pitching role.
I like the little bench mob or whatever...I mean I really don't like it, but I understand it's just kids and it's good for keeping the guys loose and whatnot...good mojo...but I have one serious question:
Is Evan Mitchell just a damn idiot?
I heard that from a reliable source.
If you don't believe it that's fine. It makes perfect sense as to why he hasn't played since then. Draw your own conclusion if you wish- I have mine.
more sense than, say, he got obliterated two straight starts?
anyhow you need not get defensive about it. I think the point is that the allegation really calls into question his character, rather than his athletic ability. so I hope you are right or else you are doing an MSU kid a huge disservice by spreading that. if it is true, then it is true, and I appreciate knowing what the hell happened.
Or because he's only gone more than 3 IP once in his last five starts...Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
Also he hasn't pitched since then because we haven't needed him to pitch. He ended the year as a shaky 3rd SP option on a team dominated by the pen.
UCA 1- Graveman obviously
USA - Pollo obviously, he was our 2nd SP option
UCA 2- Bracewell starts... Does anyone think this was a bad option compared to how Lindgren was going at the end of the year? BB has been great all yr and just went 5 to close out the Bears
UCA 3- Graveman obviously
UVA 1- Graveman obviously
UVA 2- We have a nearly full pen, Fitts was the choice. Lindgren wouldn't have gone over Pollo anyways.
OSU- Graveman obviously
IU - Fitts. Again, Lindgren would not have gone ahead of Pollo
And now it appears that Pollo will start Friday, logically ahead of Lindgren again. Lindgren hasn't pitched because he ended the year shaky and the coaches didn't think it was worth the risk.. Not when each game means so much. I personally think he'd be successful against IU but if the coaches want Pollo that's fine too.
Or maybe it's possible that it could be a culmination of both? Or have we decided that isn't ****ing possible? Salty says Lindgren was cutting up and acting like he didn't care, take that and add a couple of bad outings and maybe Cohen decided that the kid wouldn't be ready until next season. Maybe there just isn't enough drama saying that it could be both.
We have sledgehammers and sticks in the dugout. We have a Mexican that hops around the dugout in a sombrero in the most critical moments of games, along with green rally caps. We have a Bench Mob (if the team was so concerned about Lindgren why would he be a key member of the Mobb)I just don't see these guys telling Cohen that Lindgren was cutting up. They all cut up, it's our identity.
Over the season the two stats that factor into the "luck" (LOB% and BABIP) have KILLED Lindgren. Where the team BABIP and LOB% is at .290 and 67%, Lindgrens is .340 and 56%.
Lindgren's recent struggles aren't related to "not being focused on the game" or any bullshit like that. It's a lot to do with the D has let him down a lot, and his numbers since the first Vandy start are LOB % is an absurdly low 37% (a lot due to defense) and slump BABIP of absurdly high .474.
He will be fine, and if we use him in Omaha he will have success.
I'm not disagreeing with you, my main point is there is a difference between cutting up with fellow teammates to boost overall team morale and making snide remarks and giving off the appearance that a bad outcome doesn't bother you. I have been on record saying I want to see Lindgren, but if it is true that he comes off as a player who doesn't give a shit then he can continue to ride the pine pony.