Sunday Morning QB- It Sux Edition

I'm just gonna disagree about Dak.

I dont know how

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

didn't grab and wrap up. That's not on the coaches, that's on him and it costs us. For as good as Will has been at times this year, he was bad yesterday. We'd better find a safety before next year or hope Peters can come in and start immediately because from what I saw yesterday, we have shit back there. Better be looking for JUCO help, imo.

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We started the game tackling the ball instead of the man. There first run about 4 yards should have been no gain but we were tackling the ball.

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

I dont know how

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He wasn't the only problem. He didn't put us on his back and lead us to a win. He did not play his best. He made a lot of mistakes. There were about 4 dozen other muther****ers who killed us much more than he did. He wasn't "the" problem. He was part of it.

That's how.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Yep. Our team spent all day Thursday eating and laying up. Then we ride a bus for a couple of hours right before the game. Dumb, dumb, dumb

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They aren't going to stay in Oxford. Where do you suggest they stay that doesn't involve a bus ride?

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Originally Posted by GreenheadDawg

Thank you. Redmond was all over the damn field and never gave up on a single play. He played his ass off and he was the only f*cking one. He should have never had to make that tackle, and I know it was a piss poor tackle, but our DL and LBs should have had their ass over there and make the tackle. The whole game just ****ing pisses me off, We played like shit in every aspect of the game

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Will shoulda made that tackle.

Did you see what else happened on that play - Will was the only guy chasing downfield and might have caught the guy in another 10-15 yards. Will also chased down Ingram to get him down at about 3 on that drive where Liggins eventually scored.

Will was all over the field and broke up some passes but I bet you he knows he should have made that TFL. He and 10 other guys.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

They aren't going to stay in Oxford. Where do you suggest they stay that doesn't involve a bus ride?

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Batesville or Tupelo would have been much shorter rides.

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Originally Posted by PendingTransaction

Mullen will never win a championship.

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He was a couple busted plays on defense away from being in the playoffs, mayne.

Batesville? That's the same as staying in Oxford. Tupelo is about half the distance.

We just sucked yesterday. And they looked much better coached than us.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Batesville? That's the same as staying in Oxford. Tupelo is about half the distance.

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So stay in muther****ing tupelo. Keep the team in town for thanksgiving and stay in a hotel night before a game. Focus!

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

He wasn't the only problem. He didn't put us on his back and lead us to a win. He did not play his best. He made a lot of mistakes. There were about 4 dozen other muther****ers who killed us much more than he did. He wasn't "the" problem. He was part of it.

That's how.

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Not sure how you can expect Dak to put us on his back when Mullen handicaps him on his read options and tells him every game since kentucky to stay in the pocket and not run. Also when Mullen asks him to run it up the middle when everybody in the stadium, and watching it on TV knows hes gonna run it up the middle on 4th and 3. Dak played his ass off yesterday, he had 0 help. He had 0 turnovers and we still lost by 14 because of our innovator of a head coach and our psycho bend but dont break corner back blitz defense. Joe Montana couldnt put that on his back and win

Will Redmond may have missed a tackle on the long play but he was also the guy who nearly ran the guy down. Redmond never gave up one play. That's a hell of a lot more than what our DL did. Our DL allowed OM to rush for positive yards every time they attempted to run..... that's inexcusable. McKinney forgot to show up, and I'm glad R. Brown got the majority of the reps back there because he actually read the offense and executed stops.

But our guys were simply not up for the game and showed no emotion. OM players were taunting and throwing the landshark all night. That's on coaching. It is the coaches responsibility to pump up the players and get them ready for the game. Our guys weren't ready.

BTW, who ran down Engram on both long pass plays? Redmond did..... the kid shows heart, and he'll be an asset for us next year.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Batesville? That's the same as staying in Oxford. Tupelo is about half the distance.

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There's no rule about not staying in the opposing teams town. I wouldn't care if we did stay in Oxford. In fact, I would rather us do that than drive two hours and give the players Thanksgiving off. I think most people that play Ole Miss stay in Memphis.

The whole point is so our team doesn't have a long ride.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

So stay in muther****ing tupelo. Keep the team in town for thanksgiving and stay in a hotel night before a game. Focus!

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agree 100 percent

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

Not sure how you can expect Dak to put us on his back when Mullen handicaps him on his read options and tells him every game since kentucky to stay in the pocket and not run. Also when Mullen asks him to run it up the middle when everybody in the stadium, and watching it on TV knows hes gonna run it up the middle on 4th and 3. Dak played his ass off yesterday, he had 0 help. He had 0 turnovers and we still lost by 14 because of our innovator of a head coach and our psycho bend but dont break corner back blitz defense. Joe Montana couldnt put that on his back and win

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And that's why I said I would just disagree!!!! I didn't say he played terrible goddammit I said he didn't play well. We needed more out of our best player and he didn't provide it. I never said he didn't play hard, he always plays hard. You need to distinguish the fact of playing hard and playing well. It's ****ing different.

Mullen absolutely killed us and is my public enemy number 1, not Dak. I don't get how you think that I think Dak is the reason we lost. In that game he has to be head and shoulders above for us to win. He clearly wasn't and it's not just ****ing turnovers or that he scored 2 Tds.

You will disagree and that's ok. I will disagree with you and that's ok. Stop ****** arguing with me when I tell you I'm just gonna disagree with you. Goddammit are you stupid?

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

he (Dak)always plays hard.
Mullen absolutely killed us and is my public enemy number 1, not Dak. I

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

And that's why I said I would just disagree!!!! I didn't say he played terrible goddammit I said he didn't play well. We needed more out of our best player and he didn't provide it. I never said he didn't play hard, he always plays hard. You need to distinguish the fact of playing hard and playing well. It's ****ing different.

Mullen absolutely killed us and is my public enemy number 1, not Dak. I don't get how you think that I think Dak is the reason we lost. In that game he has to be head and shoulders above for us to win. He clearly wasn't and it's not just ****ing turnovers or that he scored 2 Tds.

You will disagree and that's ok. I will disagree with you and that's ok. Stop ****** arguing with me when I tell you I'm just gonna disagree with you. Goddammit are you stupid?

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you misunderstood me, i thought Dak played as hard and as well as you could ask him too with a head coach handicapping him. he has had better days i agree

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

you misunderstood me, i thought Dak played as hard and as well as you could ask him too with a head coach handicapping him. he has had better days i agree

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Apparently so. Dak did play hard and he should have kicked Mullen in the ****ing nuts about every 2 minutes. That being said Dak made a lot of mistakes yesterday in some reads and reactions to plays that he has to be better at to win those types of games. He's not a finished product by any stretch and has only been the guy for 1 yr. I'm confident he will continue to get better.

Redmond is definitely not the problem. He's been the answer to a problem.
He missed a tackle
But also broke up several passes. He's our best DB and its not close, IMO.

All for our best
Players seeing more snaps. Chris Jones needs to be on the field as
Much as possible. It's an average thing... More plays for
Best players, odds are
They
Make plays

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Apparently so. Dak did play hard and he should have kicked Mullen in the ****ing nuts about every 2 minutes. That being said Dak made a lot of mistakes yesterday in some reads and reactions to plays that he has to be better at to win those types of games. He's not a finished product by any stretch and has only been the guy for 1 yr. I'm confident he will continue to get better.

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as long as mullen tells him to keep the ball no matter what on read options we will continue to see the half yard gains/losses and as long as mullen continues to not take hardly any shots downfield teams will load the box and take away the QB run out of 5 wide. mullen pissed me off so damn bad against bama and ole miss i literally could kick him in the nuts

Agree. Playcalling as much as anything else lost this game and Bama.

How can you blame the team for " not being ready" when we're not
Calling plays to give them a chance.

Compete!!

Mullen really does play not to lose a lot of times. I thought he learned againt LSU not to do that but he can't help himself. If he feels threatened he goes conservative.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I hope Dan has learned. It would be really bad if Croom figured that out and Dan doesn't.

What they ought to do is reserve a hotel and offer the families of the football players a chance to come to Starkville to eat with their family members. Because the issue with Thanksgiving and giving them that day off is the travel and the lack of practice time.

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he'll probably do it before every game now, to prove it wasn't a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Will didn't wrap up 2 yards in the backfield... when he was the only one in the backfield. CBs aren't supposed to be making tackles in the backfield between the tackles... that's where the DL and LBs should be, but none of them showed up on that play. Instead of ripping the kids that were woefully out of position, we choose to rip the kid that's constantly around the ball because he whiffed on a tackle. That makes no sense. Where the hell were the other 10 players?

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He's been a defensive player his whole damn life. He's had to tackle his whole damn life. He should know to wrap up when tackling. Granted, everyone managed to **** up that play. But don't pretend Redmond is blameless or didn't suck all day.

And for those saying this was Redmond's only bad game....you've clearly forgotten UAB and & USA. He got abused in those games.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

He's been a defensive player his whole damn life. He's had to tackle his whole damn life. He should know to wrap up when tackling. Granted, everyone managed to **** up that play. But don't pretend Redmond is blameless or didn't suck all day.

And for those saying this was Redmond's only bad game....you've clearly forgotten UAB and & USA. He got abused in those games.

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He's our best DB. I know you don't think so but you also think that the 1B defense is a real neat idea

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Originally Posted by GreenheadDawg

He's our best DB. I know you don't think so but you also think that the 1B defense is a real neat idea

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He's in the discussion with Calhoun. There's a reason teams barely throw at Calhoun. Redmond has improved dramatically this season. He'll only get better, and I'm excited about how good he could be. I'd love to kick Bracky in the balls for costing Redmond 1/3 of his career.

And the 1Bs worked for us most of the year. Are there some changes that need to be made for it to be more effective? Yes. If Zach Jackson and Deontay Evans never played in an SEC game again, with the exception of Vandy, it would be one game too many. But a whole lot of our 1Bs would play or start at the vast majority of other SEC schools. No one bitched when we rotated DLs in '99. But now it's considered a terrible idea because a bunch of dumbasses on this board don't know shit from shinola.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

He's in the discussion with Calhoun. There's a reason teams barely throw at Calhoun. Redmond has improved dramatically this season. He'll only get better, and I'm excited about how good he could be. I'd love to kick Bracky in the balls for costing Redmond 1/3 of his career.

And the 1Bs worked for us most of the year. Are there some changes that need to be made for it to be more effective? Yes. If Zach Jackson and Deontay Evans never played in an SEC game again, with the exception of Vandy, it would be one game too many. But a whole lot of our 1Bs would play or start at the vast majority of other SEC schools. No one bitched when we rotated DLs in '99. But now it's considered a terrible idea because a bunch of dumbasses on this board don't know shit from shinola.

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huge difference in just rotating your DL than the whole damn defense. it bit us in the ass over and over again, what i dont understand is why we did it in the 2 biggest games of the year. you accomplished the goal, build depth and keep the 1As fresh, why not use your best players to get to the playoff?? Nope. We're too smart for that, we played zone and sent the CB blitz

WMD, you're a blithering idiot. You're the Jeremiah Short of the MSU blog world.

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

huge difference in just rotating your DL than the whole damn defense. iblitz

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Absolutely! Talk about a reach from the other guy.

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

huge difference in just rotating your DL than the whole damn defense. it bit us in the ass over and over again, what i dont understand is why we did it in the 2 biggest games of the year. you accomplished the goal, build depth and keep the 1As fresh, why not use your best players to get to the playoff?? Nope. We're too smart for that, we played zone and sent the CB blitz

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Blood pressure rises every time I think about this.. Just sheer stupidity.

You can get guys as many reps as possible but if they don't have SEC talent then it doesn't matter. Jackson, Evans, Cleveland and possibly Coman don't have SEC talent. They just don't. Diamonds in the rough have been great for us to have a pretty good season but to stay in the upper tier we have recruit better, mainly on the offensive line. I hope we hang on to Peters and champion.. They are must for this class. We just sparked OM for the crootin championship

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

huge difference in just rotating your DL than the whole damn defense. it bit us in the ass over and over again, what i dont understand is why we did it in the 2 biggest games of the year. you accomplished the goal, build depth and keep the 1As fresh, why not use your best players to get to the playoff?? Nope. We're too smart for that, we played zone and sent the CB blitz

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You won't get any argument from me about the CB blitz. I agree with C34, it's the worst call in all of football.

There are only about 4 guys in the 1B group that haven't earned their keep. Riddle me this: Who shouldn't play out of the following? AJ Jefferson, Nelson Adams, Chris Jones, Curtis Virges, Nelson Adams, Richie Brown, Turtle Holmes, Tolando Cleveland, Kivon Coman, and Redmond. The only one I'd even consider is Coman. His minutes needed to be reduced some, but he's got potential and has played well at times. Cleveland did nothing but improve as the season progressed and has been solid. Everyone else plays or starts at the other 13 SEC schools.

Personally, I'd like to see JT Gray get an expanded role. He's got the speed to be an adequate replacement for Matt Wells, and the fewer snaps Jackson gets, the better. Our hand has been forced at S with Market's injury and Cox's suspension. If it were me, Hughes & Coman play the bowl game. Next year, it's wide open competition and hopefully Brandon Bryant can win one spot and Market will be healthy to take the other. If Market isn't ready, and I'd be shocked if he was, then my second choice would be Peters or Coman, depending on how much Coman progresses in the offseason. But that's down the road.

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Originally Posted by GreenheadDawg

You can get guys as many reps as possible but if they don't have SEC talent then it doesn't matter. Jackson, Evans, Cleveland and possibly Coman don't have SEC talent. They just don't. Diamonds in the rough have been great for us to have a pretty good season but to stay in the upper tier we have recruit better, mainly on the offensive line. I hope we hang on to Peters and champion.. They are must for this class. We just sparked OM for the crootin championship

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Jackson & Evans, completely agree. You're crazy at it regards Cleveland. The kid can flat play. He's made some typical "young kid" mistakes, but he's made a bunch of good plays, too. He's going to be very good for us sooner rather than later. I'm still on the fence with Coman. He's made some good plays, but he's struggled some too. Could be a young thing with him, like it was early on with Cleveland. That said, I personally would have reduced his minutes this season. But the fact is that no one at Safety has been very good for us. I'd love to see us move Ced Jiles and maybe even Cleveland back there in the offseason.

Something else to remember, we're missing Dee Arrington and Quadry Antoine has been moved to LB. Those guys could have probably provided some quality depth at S.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

You won't get any argument from me about the CB blitz. I agree with C34, it's the worst call in all of football.

There are only about 4 guys in the 1B group that haven't earned their keep. Riddle me this: Who shouldn't play out of the following? AJ Jefferson, Nelson Adams, Chris Jones, Curtis Virges, Nelson Adams, Richie Brown, Turtle Holmes, Tolando Cleveland, Kivon Coman, and Redmond. The only one I'd even consider is Coman. His minutes needed to be reduced some, but he's got potential and has played well at times. Cleveland did nothing but improve as the season progressed and has been solid. Everyone else plays or starts at the other 13 SEC schools.

Personally, I'd like to see JT Gray get an expanded role. He's got the speed to be an adequate replacement for Matt Wells, and the fewer snaps Jackson gets, the better. Our hand has been forced at S with Market's injury and Cox's suspension. If it were me, Hughes & Coman play the bowl game. Next year, it's wide open competition and hopefully Brandon Bryant can win one spot and Market will be healthy to take the other. If Market isn't ready, and I'd be shocked if he was, then my second choice would be Peters or Coman, depending on how much Coman progresses in the offseason. But that's down the road.

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You said nelson adams twice so im not sure who you meant to put, but those guys should play, yes. but not against alabama or ole miss when the playoff is on the damn line. you play your best players, not only did we not do that, we went full ass retard and played zone all 2nd half and didnt blitz a crippled bo wallace. pure dumbassery. i cant speak for everyone but i am regretting paying collins all that extra money.

and you rotate those guys in when the 1As get tired, not just mass random substituting, i wonder what makes collins decide when to do it. to me it always seems like it happens right after we take the momentum of a game. STUPIDITY

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

You said nelson adams twice so im not sure who you meant to put, but those guys should play, yes. but not against alabama or ole miss when the playoff is on the damn line. you play your best players, not only did we not do that, we went full ass retard and played zone all 2nd half and didnt blitz a crippled bo wallace. pure dumbassery. i cant speak for everyone but i am regretting paying collins all that extra money.

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Meant to put Nick James. My bad. And yes, we screwed the pooch yesterday, from the coaches right on down the line. I blasted Collins for the defensive game plan just like I blasted Mullen for the offensive game plan.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

WMD, you're a blithering idiot. You're the Jeremiah Short of the MSU blog world.

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Oh? Care to elaborate on how Redmond is better than Calhoun? Because you can't argue the fact that teams stay away from Calhoun. I've made it pretty clear: Redmond has put himself into the discussion of being our best DB. But it isn't clear cut that he's better than Calhoun at this point. Next year, he could pass Calhoun. He certainly has the talent to do so, and it would make our D that much better if he did. Not to mention it would earn him a whole lot of money. But I don't expect you to be objective when it comes to Redmond. You're literally invested in him being great.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Meant to put Nick James. My bad. And yes, we screwed the pooch yesterday, from the coaches right on down the line. I blasted Collins for the defensive game plan just like I blasted Mullen for the offensive game plan.

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i mean... i literally have no clue what the coaches plan was on both sides. if were going to run a spread option offense, for the love of God please let Dak keep the ball on the option. Since kentucky they have made him give it no matter what i guess to give the defense the threat of him keeping it. Worst coaching performance of Mullen's career

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Oh? Care to elaborate on how Redmond is better than Calhoun? Because you can't argue the fact that teams stay away from Calhoun. I've made it pretty clear: Redmond has put himself into the discussion of being our best DB. But it isn't clear cut that he's better than Calhoun at this point. Next year, he could pass Calhoun. He certainly has the talent to do so, and it would make our D that much better if he did. Not to mention it would earn him a whole lot of money. But I don't expect you to be objective when it comes to Redmond. You're literally invested in him being great.

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once again talking about stuff you know nothing about... not surprised.

You know why they ran that RB pass at Will? Because he bust RBs asses when they run to his side. They had to get him to play back. That's why Saban didn't run or throw to his side.

We'll just see which of our DBs goes the highest in the draft and revisit this discussion then.

Didn't Redmond play QB in high school?