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Originally Posted by Todd4State
this guy gets it.
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
this guy gets it.
Ole Miss does not have the offense to beat Auburn. Bottom line.
We may not have elite DBs, but the weakness is getting beat deep, not tackling (cleveland's whiff at kentucky notwithstanding). Bro wallace can't throw it deep, and if he tries, we'll have a bunch of ints because he floats it like a weak armed QB tends to do. Treadwell and co. are a good batch of WRs, but if we tackle like we have all but a handful of plays this season, they won't be going crazy passing the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Covercorner2
They ran it on us bc they're good. They're damn good at running the ball. Their oline made holes against us and CAP drug some of our guys for extra yards. They also make you respect the pass bc they have 2 HR hitters on the outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Their zone read is lethal. They can smash up the middle (cap) or beat you with speed (Marshall) to the outside.
OM swarms to the ball and that's not a good thing against auburn bc the ball isn't going where you think half the time
This is as full retard as you've gone on something in awhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
They are just as good with the actually smashmouth backup QB. Or haven't you gotten that memo? Since when does the QB have to be a "smashmouth runner" to have a "smashmouth offense"? Jennings and LSU missed that memo. Auburn throws a bunch of pre-snap trickeration -- then they run right over your asses.
Yeah. Auburn may not have the top ranked defense, but will it be good enough to hold Bo dirt's low power O in check? I think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I agree, but 17 carries and 100 yards rushing for Marshall go against the Smashmouth criteria in my opinion. But that's not my overall point. The point I'm making is that Auburn runs a totally different type of run game than LSU...and drawing comparables between the two doesn't make sense to me. Doesn't mean Auburn can't still win running it on OM, but it's just a totally different type of run game IMO. Oh well, I hope you guys are all right.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Your argument is mostly correct... however, their #2 RB (Grant) may be the fastest player in the conference... he was processed by My Dark Lord.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
When the finesse QB is a majority of their offense...that's when. And what are you talking about "backup QB"? Talk about full retard. Johnson airs it out....and why would he even be a point of reference in this? You're reaching. Don't go calling people names just because you disagree....just discuss. It makes you seem like you know you're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
What about CAP's 16 carries for 71 yards (4.4 avg) to go along with marshall's?Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Seeing how we held their rush O to the second lowest output of the season and tied the 4th lowest in their 20 games under Malzahn, and 2 of the 3 times they've been held without a rushing TD was against us, I'd say no -- they didn't run on us very well at all. 2 of their 3 or 4 lowest rushing outputs under Malzahn have come against MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Auburn is smashmouth -- and they are better at it than anyone else in the conference.
I acknowledged that in the OP, when I said they do run "some downhill". And not all of his runs are downhill either. Again, they may run over OM, but their run game does not mirror LSU in physicality.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yes - Auburn is smashmouthQuote:
Originally Posted by engie
No - and they are better at it than anyone else in the conference. (but they are in the top 1/3)
No they aren't....they're a great running team, but not "smashmouth". I agree that they're the best running team in the conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I'm wrong yet basically everyone here agrees with me?Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
This is tantamount to arguing that Bama isn't smashmouth because "Blake Sims is a shifty QB that provides most of their offense"...simply because Auburn doesn't fit your description of what "smashmouth" is in traditional terms. They run over your ass. That = smashmouth. I can't believe this is even a discussion. It's surreal.
"Finesse?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPvRcEU8Pr4
A&M and TSUN are basically the only two teams in the West that are not smash mouth running teams.
Regardless, Bo better hope he at least gets two seconds to throw a bubble screen this week cause auburn is gonna blow up that offensive line
Engine gonna Engine. Another "discussion" that Engine can't help but turn in to an "I'm right you're wrong" rant. Even though you can't prove you're right and that's not even what the thread was about.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Bottom line. Auburn isn't going to run 12 straight times between the tackles, so it will not be a comparable test for OM. Still may work, but AU's run game isn't as smash mouth IMO. If you disagree, great...don't care. You always do.
Now, do any of you normal posters want to continue a normal discussion that doesn't include calling people "tards" if they disagree with you? I'm all ears if so.
You're right, this was pretty unpopular. If Auburn does what they do and OM does what they do, Auburn wins.
One thing I'll be watching closely is how they defend Nick Marshall. He's not Dak, but you have to respect his legs and it might give us an indicator of what we'll see later.
I don't understand how this is even being debated.
Auburn not smashmouth? Hells yeah, they are smashmouth. They are extremely physical. They will dominate both lines of scrimmage.
Auburn is going to throttle Ole Miss. It will be a laugher. Once again, I don't even understand how it can be debated. Even if the Ole Miss defense plays out of this world, Auburn is going to score some points. Nobody with a lick of sense can surely say that Ole Miss is going to be able to outscore Auburn.
Believe me now, or believe me later.
Auburn will be our most impressive win this year, no matter who we play going forward. By the end of the year, that LSU win is going to look damn good too.
I'm cool with people disagreeing. Auburn ran more times East/West than they did North/South the last several games. That's not what I would call "smash mouth" or "downhill", which is my point. If others call it smash mouth and downhill that's fine. I still think OM can use their speed more vs Au than they could vs LSU.
Adjustedstats say(adjusted for competition) Auburn is the best overall running team in the SEC...Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
#1 Adjusted yards per game
#2 Adjusted yards per carry(Georgia)
#1 Adjusted total rushing per game(sacks not counted against you)
#2 Adjusted total rushing per carry(Georgia)
http://www.adjustedstats.com/ratings...offrushadj.php
An argument can be made for MSU, Bama, Arky, and Georgia, sure... with LSU rising...
Auburn will score 24 and dominate. Ive thought this all year. Bama could hav run on them (and did when they tried) but Kiffin choked and started throwing it for some reason. I knew the bears would beat aTm because of matchup.
Auburn is very physical.
The whole thread is based on a flawed premise -- so it is what it's about.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
They may not -- but it's not because they can't. They can actually throw the ball -- something LSU couldn't. Everyone in the stadium knew it was coming and OM still couldn't stop it.Quote:
Bottom line. Auburn isn't going to run 12 straight times between the tackles, so it will not be a comparable test for OM.
Ok.Quote:
Still may work, but AU's run game isn't as smash mouth IMO. If you disagree, great...don't care. You always do.
Where did I call anyone a "tard"? I said this premise is retarded -- because it is.Quote:
Now, do any of you normal posters want to continue a normal discussion that doesn't include calling people "tards" if they disagree with you? I'm all ears if so
Check back in when OM "shuts down the finesse Auburn offense" on Saturday...
I just think Auburn will outscore them.
Who has the
Better OL? LSU or AUB?
I don't think Ole Miss
Can bank on stopping Marshall because they had success against BAMA. Sims wasn't doing the same stuff
Then and Kiffins went brain dead in that one. Yeldwn was probably thinking "Heisman moment" that night until they stopped running him.
Think I saw Auburn had 170-190 yards between the tackles. They make you defend the whole field (east-west, and down the field with Coates/Duke), but I don't think that makes them any less smashmouth. They're very physical, but Roc Thomas and CAP aren't on a Tre Mason level of physicality yet.
And if Auburn finds success between the tackles against Ole Miss, Gus Malzahn is absolutely the coach who is going to keep doing that over and over and over.
What a tool. I never said "OM will shut down the finesse Auburn offense", but hey, why use facts when you can just be typical engine and throw quotes around a lie and claim it as part of your argument, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Why can't you just be a normal person and discuss things without having to try and claim dominance by picking out a word here or there and changing the entire thread? And then putting words in my mouth? Jesus man, your message board God complex is crammed full of douche.
I disagree with tons of threads and posts on this board daily, like many others....yet somehow we all manage to either ignore or simply disagree with those that we don't agree with and move on or discuss our differing opinions. I never feel like I have to 1) Prove that I am 100% right and anybody that opposes me is 100% wrong, or 2) Try to discredit and tell whoever I disagree with that they are an idiot and tard strong because they disagree with me on a sports message board. But then again, I'm not telling you anything that every poster on here and SP hasn't told you before I guess.
Well, obviously I look at smashmouth differently than others, and everyone including the God of message boards, has corrected me. Basically, I know Auburn is physical and have never said otherwise....I just think they do a lot more outside running than your LSU's, Bama's, etc that I consider typical smashmouth programs that wear you out between the tackles for 4 quarters. If they're smashmouth in everybody's eyes, fine, I can live with that because regardless of what you call it, Ole miss will be able to utilize their speed on defense more against Auburn than they were able to against LSU, because LSU ran straight at them for 4 quarters and AU will not. That was my point....before the thread destroyer came in and changed the whole thread to a debate of whether they are considered "smashmouth". That isn't what the point of this thread was. So I agree about the whole field...which is why OM will be able to use their speed more, because AU won't run right at OM, downhill, between the tackles, for 4 quarters.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
That's the thing though -- if that's having success (running right ahead at Ole Miss), Gus will figure out a way to do exactly that for four quarters. He is usually a guy who does a tremendous job of hammering away with what's working, and right when you start to adjust, he calls a hell of a play to take advantage. I could be wrong, but I don't see Ole Miss winning this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I admit when I think" smash mouth" I think more of what LSU does than what Auburn does.
It seems like LSU runs it a lot more... Just from qty standpoint, though I have no idea if that is fact.
Also it seems more about their line blowing your d line off the ball... Straight ahead.
I still think Auburn is physical. I think they are the best ur 2bd best team.... Period.
AUB. 31
OMU. 17
Totally agree about running right at them, and that's the determining factor. IF, and that's a big IF, Auburn sticks with it, I think they can and will win. But I worry that Malzahn will want to get cute and keep trying to run wide or throw the ball, and that will play right Into OM strengths. Basically, if they will pound the middle and call safe pass plays, I think they can win. Will they do that though? Avoiding turnovers and making OM drive the field will be huge too. If they do what you're saying though, I agree they can be effective. But will they?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
I totally 100% agree with this. This^ is all I was trying to say in regards to the different running styles.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Even though prewitt and RN are playing, I think their injury issues are huge. Auburn, whether they're physical or not, is gonna run the ball. Bc of this prewitt will have to tackle. RN will have an olineman pushing him all night. Gus is going to nut check those 2 early and often to see how healthy they are
ULL ran for over 200 on OM with a zone read type of running game
LSU very well may have beaten OM twice last weekend. It will be interesting to see what kind of swagger OM comes out of the tunnel with Saturday. If Auburn comes out and scores early, and we see OM's same shaky offense that we've seen lately....it may get ugly for OM, and very enjoyable for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Agree. Auburn is a physical team that also can run with finesse. They can pound you or slip around you. they also have a QB that's a much a threat to run as any QB in the nation. Jennings is/was not a threat to run and LSU said "Here Comes the Run" and OM couldn't stop it. Plus AU has a decent passing threat, whereas LSU does not. Auburn has more misdirection/option type runs than LSU and is still physical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
OM's 1st string defense (more around 8 guys) is stout, but beyond that they are pedestrian. They are banged up. The depth issues will show this week as I predicted they would earlier in the year.
True, as did Boise (ran for 200+ I think). Will be interesting to see what happens. I just hope Auburn doesn't play into their hands by trying to throw it around early. If they run it early and often and get out to a lead, OM may implode. I'd love to see Hugh release Bo while playing from behind all game.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I agree. Good summaryQuote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Better listen to cadaver. He knows of what he speaks. Auburn has a lot of get to the edge run plays. That's the wrong approach against tsun. They have a small and fast defense. How do you beat a team that has more speed than you? You run right the **** at it just like lsu did. And when those fast midgets meet the rb in the whole you break their ****ing ankles just like lsu did.
I think a fast start is crucial for OM. I don't think theyre a very confident team right now. Their offense has been sucking for awhile now and their defense just got physically whipped. I agree that a fast auburn start could open the floodgates.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Gonna be the coldest game of the year coming off om's most physical game of the year. OM is beat up on defense. This will be om's 5th straight sec game with no bye... I think om's defense will be a step slower than normalQuote:
Originally Posted by MaroonState