Coach Turner reconfirms James has a long way to go.

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08-09-2014, 11:26 AM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by smootness

No one's saying the coaches are above reproach. But ours have proven they can develop talent and develop leaders. Suggesting that if one guy doesn't have the light come on while a ton more do, then it's 'on the coaches' is absurd.

Do you think all of our players show up with their heads on straight? I guarantee you that some of our best guys and best leaders have had to have some adjusting along the way. But we do generally look for character and leadership ability in our recruits. When you do that, it allows you to take a couple of chances on guys knowing that even in a worst-case scenario, they won't ruin the locker room. But that doesn't mean a good coach can take anybody and turn them around.

Every program and coach in the country has had guys that never got it, regardless of talent level. We have had extremely few. So I'm not going to jump on our coaches if we have one or two.

compare Dak's coach and family atmosphere to James's coach and family atmosphere. One had a hard ass coach that hated him and sent him to alternative school and the other was a father figure. One was treated "as the program" while the other was treated "as a nuesance to the program." in short, one grew up as the answer and the other was the problem. To say our staff is succeeding with all players because they succeed with guys like Dak is extremely short sided. Based on what I've seen from Turner, we've lost Quay, lost Washington, Autry was largely unproductive, Eulls and PJ haven't lived up to expectations, and now he's ripping James, a kid that has a fragile ego, in public. it's pretty apparent to me that it's being mismanaged.
08-09-2014, 11:31 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Churchill

We`ve always had a ton of people who refuse to hold coaches accountable.

I'll start holding Turner accountable when our defensive isn't one of the best in SEC. Until then or until Nick performs to his talent level, I'll just consider Nick a mirage of hope.
08-09-2014, 11:36 AM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'll start holding Turner accountable when our defensive isn't one of the best in SEC. Until then or until Nick performs to his talent level, I'll just consider Nick a mirage of hope.

no. I demand you him accountable now.
08-09-2014, 11:37 AM
MSUDawg4Life

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

compare Dak's coach and family atmosphere to James's coach and family atmosphere. One had a hard ass coach that hated him and sent him to alternative school and the other was a father figure. One was treated "as the program" while the other was treated "as a nuesance to the program." in short, one grew up as the answer and the other was the problem. To say our staff is succeeding with all players because they succeed with guys like Dak is extremely short sided. Based on what I've seen from Turner, we've lost Quay, lost Washington, Autry was largely unproductive, Eulls and PJ haven't lived up to expectations, and now he's ripping James, a kid that has a fragile ego, in public. it's pretty apparent to me that it's being mismanaged.

Apparent? You don't have any insight into how Nick James or any other player is being managed. You have no clue what the expectations are, where they are excelling or where they are falling short. You're speculating at best.
08-09-2014, 11:39 AM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life

Apparent? You don't have any insight into how Nick James or any other player is being managed. You have no clue what the expectations are, where they are excelling or where they are falling short. You're speculating at best.

that's for speculating on my level of speculation.
08-09-2014, 11:41 AM
MSUDawg4Life

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

that's for speculating on my level of speculation.

Dude, you don't know shit. You don't know any more than the rest of us.
08-09-2014, 11:59 AM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life

Dude, you don't know shit. You don't know any more than the rest of us.

Who's the coolest guy on the message board?

MSUDawg4Life!!!

Congrats buddy. you're the big winner today.
08-09-2014, 12:43 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

compare Dak's coach and family atmosphere to James's coach and family atmosphere. One had a hard ass coach that hated him and sent him to alternative school and the other was a father figure. One was treated "as the program" while the other was treated "as a nuesance to the program." in short, one grew up as the answer and the other was the problem. To say our staff is succeeding with all players because they succeed with guys like Dak is extremely short sided. Based on what I've seen from Turner, we've lost Quay, lost Washington, Autry was largely unproductive, Eulls and PJ haven't lived up to expectations, and now he's ripping James, a kid that has a fragile ego, in public. it's pretty apparent to me that it's being mismanaged.

It's hard to argue with this.

Ultimately coaches are dealing with people and you can't manage everyone the same.

Bill Parcells used to talk about how he knew which guys he could yell at and which ones needed to be patted on the back.
08-09-2014, 02:58 PM
The Federalist Engineer

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Coaches accountable for Wins, losses, player discipline, program status, recruiting, etc... but not for developing players. Got it. Thanks guys.

If you mean "development" as giving players desire, commitment, character, and professionalism, then that's on the individual. The coaches should screen for that in recruiting, Ex-Louisville recruiting coordinator used the term "coach killer" for the kids without desire and professionalism.

If you mean "development" as teaching: technique, reads, workout methods, and position refinement; who else but coaches can do that?
08-09-2014, 04:03 PM
HancockCountyDog

Anyone from the Coast that knows anything about nick James, knows that none of this is surprising. Coach turner is doing everything he can with a borderline impossible situation.

Actually I hated the news that Chris jones was James' roommate.
08-09-2014, 06:43 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

compare Dak's coach and family atmosphere to James's coach and family atmosphere. One had a hard ass coach that hated him and sent him to alternative school and the other was a father figure. One was treated "as the program" while the other was treated "as a nuesance to the program." in short, one grew up as the answer and the other was the problem. To say our staff is succeeding with all players because they succeed with guys like Dak is extremely short sided. Based on what I've seen from Turner, we've lost Quay, lost Washington, Autry was largely unproductive, Eulls and PJ haven't lived up to expectations, and now he's ripping James, a kid that has a fragile ego, in public. it's pretty apparent to me that it's being mismanaged.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

no. I demand you him accountable now.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

that's for speculating on my level of speculation.

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08-10-2014, 12:26 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by DancingRabbit

Yeah, I'm hoping the same thing.

Didn't Chris Jones say the other day that Nick James was his room-mate? If that's the case I'm feeling a little better about things.

Even better, we can blame Chris jones if nick James fails****

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