How long did that take to recover from?Quote:
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How long did that take to recover from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
the most common way to attack a 1-3-1 is to start by havig 2 guards work either side of the defender at the top of the key. Almost every offense uses that against a 1-3-1. Ray doesn't. Maybe he thinks we match up better otherwise, and that's a plausible explanation given out lack of shooting ability, but I think everyone can admit what we were doing did not work.
This should be the year Ray has enough players to field a full team, yes or no.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Yep, he did. In his 5th year he had a winning record. In his 6th he went 5-11 in the big 12. Nice example to completely, disprove your point you've been making forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
Where has anyone said that we can't judge Ray based on results this year? Time for the rubber to meet the road for sure...
Bottom line is the zone becomes easy if you've got guys that can create and shoot 3's. Especially when you've got 4's and 5's that can exploit the matchups inside and force the to cheat back for double teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
last year, the 1-3-1 was extended because we played much of the time without a backup 5 on the roster or the floor. When there's no 5 that can beat a single or double team, you can cheat out against it and take away the setup threes.
Yeah, this has been pretty confusing to me. I've noticed several of us have been congratulated lately for saying this as if we've come around from a more radical viewpoint, but I can't think of a single pro-patience poster who's ever said otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Yeah -- I think that's the foothold of the radical viewpoint. It has to take other's opinions out of context and try to skew what those opinions actually are in order to try to justify their own outlandish ones. Hence the constant "pro-Ray" propaganda being pushed by those that are making basketball indiscussable -- when no outlandish "pro-Ray" position actually exists as a ying to their "anti-Ray" yang. Everyone someone asks them to link the posts projecting this stance, they just ignore the question and keep chugging along.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Exactly- there's not a swinging dick that wears maroon that doesn't expect more out of Ray this season and we better get it or he will start catching shit from those of us that saw the situation realistically
Quit being a jackass. The question asked was name a coach that stepped into a worse situation. I did. Baylor had crippling sanctions placed on them including not being allowed to play half a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Mans what is hilarious to all of us is that a murder within the basketball program is literally the only worse situation you can come up with. That should tell you something. It probably won't- but it shouldQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Haha...I thought the same exact thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
In my opinion Tennessee right now is just as bad as MSU 2012. Chime in on a Sweet16 though. What's hilarious to me is y'all keep saying how tough a job it is for Ray so people will feel sorry for him and lower his bar so low dead people 6 feet under would be above it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Ok- I have to ask this so I can laugh at the answer- how in the hell is Tenn 2014 as bad as State was in 2012?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
and you don't even have to explain the "dumpster fire" vs Sweet 16 part- because no moron can duped into believing that. So start after that please
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Originally Posted by Dawg61
If you would get your head out of Rick Stansbury's ass for a second you could see that the train wreck of a program did nothing but embarrass the university and fans the last couple of years. He personally is responsible for the sharks that took his legs off during those two seasons and he certainly needed to move on to another job because he accomplished NOTHING with all the talent he had. Stop bashing Ray because you don't like what he looks like. That's been a craw in your crotch ever since the man was hired. Get over it you bumbling old man.
For a while, 61 thought I just picked on him. I've been intentionally quiet in basketball threads the last few weeks, but he somehow STILL is at odds with everyone in every thread. Strange**
For the seven billionth time I wanted Stansbury gone too. What I don't want is to be lied to and to have the expectations lowered so easily that anyone can meet them. I don't dislike Ray so you can shove your allegations of racism or whatever you were implying straight up your ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by notsofarawaydawg
Is that your way of trying to have a conversation with me about it? Try better if you actually want to talk about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Tennessee right now is only as bad us 2012 if you take the two situations at face value an outsider's perspective. Likely only a few people know the true extent of the state of our program internally in spring/summer of 2012 (myself definitely not included), but if the rumors are even halfway accurate, Ray had it significantly worse than Tyndall does now. All Tennessee was really left with from a perception standpoint was a bad taste from the way the boosters supposedly treated Martin. No need to rehash what was going on with us, but suffice it to say we were far more toxic than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I wish one thread about what's going on in basketball (new player got in) would stay on that topic instead of this bullshit. Go make a rick ray thread and talk. Leave that shit somewhere else. It's unbearable
So what would you call a 17 year old high school basketball players perspective when he looks at MSU in 2012 or Tennessee today? He isn't digging into the cracks of the walls to see how many boosters are on board with the new coach. He cares about shoes, clothes, pu5sy, basketball, music, xbox, money, food, partying. That's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
And yet these threads turn into 10 page ones. Every week. That should tell you something.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
And yet, it's usually just you arguing with others. It's the same people over and over. That's why I said go make a Rick Ray thread (you love to talk about him) and keep it there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
This is our Rick Ray thread. Oliver Black being qualified is one sentence. He's supposed to be qualified. It isn't really newsworthy imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
When we sign recruits in other sports, we talk about how they will do/play here. We don't talk about the coach like we want him fired. You consistently ruin basketball threads. How often do you have to hear it to believe it.
That's why I'm saying, if you want to talk Ray, make a Ray thread. Not a thread on a player getting into school.
How about you talk basketball instead of worrying about my posting habits. This is the basketball thread. It's just called Oliver Black this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
It literally is impossible to have an actual conversation about the sport of basketball at Mississippi State University because it turns into this.
Quit being a jackass? I just point out that it took him 7 years basically to build a program. How can it take that long?** all he had to do was have a full roster and things would have been just swell.***Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Except the fact you spent a month or more bitching like a woman that he wasn't eligible and might not be for the season. Now that he is, you say, well he's suppose to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
C34 had 30,000 posts about getting Stansbury fired. 30,000. That is no exaggeration. Years and years and years of harping how high our standards should be at MSU, 8 years worth to be exact. I agreed with him. Then we fire Stansbury and all of a sudden overnight we no longer have those high expectations for our basketball team/coach. That's why you see me constantly talking about basketball. As I've said before you'll see me quiet down about basketball when our expectations and what we demand of our coach are at least equal to what we all wanted so badly to get rid of. Want Stansbury fired? Fine I will go along with you on that. Want to lower the bar to ridiculously low standards for the next guy? No I can not stand behind you on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DudyDawg
Expectations change with where your program is. Stands wrecked and tore down everything he had built. You don't overcome that in a year or two.
Expectations are higher for Ray this year- from everyone. As they should be.
That is the very definition of an exaggeration. His post count is around 10,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
No he didn't. Not at all. When Stansbury was fired Moultrie, Sidney, Hood, Steele, Lewis, Zierdaks, SSmith were all on the roster. Even Deville Smith the starting PG for UNLV was too. Josh Gray was still committed. That is a fact. Then any blame gets severed right there. We then enter a new "blame zone" and that mostly goes to nobody because there's always turnover during a transition. I personally put a lot of blame on Stricklin here though. Just being honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Haha this made me laugh. Anyone else care to explain to DawgInMemphis what I am referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgInMemphis
He is supposed to be. Is he not? Why are we signing low rated players that don't get cleared till August? One year removed from having two lower rated players we signed not get cleared at all. Shouldn't that concern you some? Especially since our biggest issue has been our lack of a bench. But luckily for us Ray has saved an extra scholarship every single year he has been here. We keep signing low rated players that either don't get cleared or just barely get cleared. That concerns the fu@k out of me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
This is great. They were all on the roster when he was let go. Sooooo, if Stan's weren't fired, Sid and his fat ass would have come back, moultrie wouldn't have turned pro, deville smith would have been back? Wow. Now that's amazing. And stupid. Truly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Moultrie was already out the doorQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Deville and Sidney were told not to come back before Ray was hired
Hood was already looking to leave
Ziedakis and Smith were cut per University policy- that wasn't Ray
Steele and Lewis stayed hurt
There is your facts
You can't blame someone for shit that happens after they get fired. Just how it is. Do most of those things still happen if he isn't fired? Yea probably so but if he's not fired then he does still have the opportunity to change them from ever happening. Some of them needed to happen though anyways. Sidney did not need to come back. He was the ultimate downfall for Stansbury. MSU just couldn't stomach watching his fat ass pout on the bench and not hustle at all and have Jimmy Dykes doing 5 minute diagrams pointing out how lazy he was. That was the end for Bury. Bury probably still loves "Shug" though. Wonder if they did P90X this year together again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
On the morning that Stansbury got fired every single one of those players was on the roster. That is a fact. Blaming Stansbury after he gets fired for those players being gone isn't exactly right or fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But you can blame the next guy for things that happen before he was hired right? #logicQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61