Since shaving the beards...

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Originally Posted by dawgs

no one is playing down the Ws. some of us are just playing down the correlation between hardass, no beards cohen and the Ws. that's all. nothing more.

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All the thread said was basically we are 4-0 after clean faces and Cohen getting red assed..
No one said NCAA Champs or even Omaha bound..
Last year after the "Power Point" that was done and presented to Cohen with the beards, no undershirts , bench mob crap, ect.. it seem to kick start the team and get us on the run. Maybe the shaved faces and hard ass Cohen will do the same this year..
But yet a few of you throw in the beating Alcorn or bad Mizzu team or some other excuse and try and downplay that we just went 4-0 and did something no other SEC team has done this year and that's sweep Mizzu on the road.. .. That's the stuff that gets old..

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Originally Posted by mic

All the thread said was basically we are 4-0 after clean faces and Cohen getting red assed..
No one said NCAA Champs or even Omaha bound..
Last year after the "Power Point" that was done and presented to Cohen with the beards, no undershirts , bench mob crap, ect.. it seem to kick start the team and get us on the run. Maybe the shaved faces and hard ass Cohen will do the same this year..
But yet a few of you throw in the beating Alcorn or bad Mizzu team or some other excuse and try and downplay that we just went 4-0 and did something no other SEC team has done this year and that's sweep Mizzu on the road.. .. That's the stuff that gets old..

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their home conference series have been against tenn and uga. hardly murderers' row. there's simply not enough sample size against the better half of the conference to take anything meaningful away from being the only sec team to sweep mizzou on columbia thus far. so we are clearly better than tenn, uga, and mizzou. we all already thought/knew that even after the lsu and ole miss series. it's easy to say something that sounds impressive like "we are the only team to sweep them in columbia" until you take 10 seconds to look at the facts and realize it's not really that impressive given their home slate thus far. that's not pissing in anyone's cheerios, it's merely being intelligent and realistic. i don't know if our sweep is due to the return of hardass, no beard cohen or if it's due to playing the worst team in the conference. that remains to be determined. anyone that argues otherwise or tries to twist that into me (or whoever else mentioned) being negative and shitting on our performance is a ****ing moron that can't understand minimally nuanced thought.

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Originally Posted by dawgs

their home conference series have been against tenn and uga. hardly murderers' row. there's simply not enough sample size against the better half of the conference to take anything meaningful away from being the only sec team to sweep mizzou on columbia thus far. so we are clearly better than tenn, uga, and mizzou. we all already thought/knew that even after the lsu and ole miss series. it's easy to say something that sounds impressive like "we are the only team to sweep them in columbia" until you take 10 seconds to look at the facts and realize it's not really that impressive given their home slate thus far. that's not pissing in anyone's cheerios, it's merely being intelligent and realistic. i don't know if our sweep is due to the return of hardass, no beard cohen or if it's due to playing the worst team in the conference. that remains to be determined. anyone that argues otherwise or tries to twist that into me (or whoever else mentioned) being negative and shitting on our performance is a ****ing moron that can't understand minimally nuanced thought.

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Up until this weekend there has only been 6 series that went 3-0.
There had been NONE where the visiting team swept the series
I believe we are the ONLY team this year in conference play to go on the road and sweep. So yeah its a BIG deal..

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Originally Posted by Boodawg

No one else in SEC has swept Mizzou at their place...

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But they have lost 3-in-a-row at their place twice before we came to town, and to some unimpressive teams.

What so many of you aren't grasping is that, most of us who are "complaining" are really only "complaining" about the degree of accomplishment the OP wants to assign to these victories, or the reason for the wins.

We are happy for the wins, but perhaps more relieved, than happy. This is perfectly reasonable given the opponent, and given our performance just prior to our beating up of a couple of relative weaklings.

In our previous 7 games versus quality opponents we went 2-5, damn near going 1-6. We got our asses kicked in 3 of those 5 losses. It is simply foolish to imagine these past 4 games have remotely wiped-the-slate-clean on those previous games. We need to show we are capable of beating the quality teams consistently before we deserve to crow too much.

If we win 3 of the next 4, it'll be much more appropriate to be as positive as many of you feel is already warranted. At a minimum we need to go 2-2 with at least 1 loss being competitive, IMO.

Stop and reflect a minute. Going into the game versus Alcorn State followed by 3 versus Mizzou, what would it have taken to make you feel concerned we were in trouble? Would you really feel good if we'd lost even 1 of those games? If not, then why feel like the extra win means so much more?

I prefer to be glad we beat 2 teams we should have beaten every time, and let that give me hope we're coming out of it, rather than declare these 4 games as PROOF we have turned the corner.

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

But they have lost 3-in-a-row at their place twice before we came to town, and to some unimpressive teams.

What so many of you aren't grasping is that, most of us who are "complaining" are really only "complaining" about the degree of accomplishment the OP wants to assign to these victories, or the reason for the wins.

We are happy for the wins, but perhaps more relieved, than happy. This is perfectly reasonable given the opponent, and given our performance just prior to our beating up of a couple of relative weaklings.

In our previous 7 games versus quality opponents we went 2-5, damn near going 1-6. We got our asses kicked in 3 of those 5 losses. It is simply foolish to imagine these past 4 games have remotely wiped-the-slate-clean on those previous games. We need to show we are capable of beating the quality teams consistently before we deserve to crow too much.

If we win 3 of the next 4, it'll be much more appropriate to be as positive as many of you feel is already warranted. At a minimum we need to go 2-2 with at least 1 loss being competitive, IMO.

Stop and reflect a minute. Going into the game versus Alcorn State followed by 3 versus Mizzou, what would it have taken to make you feel concerned we were in trouble? Would you really feel good if we'd lost even 1 of those games? If not, then why feel like the extra win means so much more?

I prefer to be glad we beat 2 teams we should have beaten every time, and let that give me hope we're coming out of it, rather than declare these 4 games as PROOF we have turned the corner.

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I did not know they had been swept by some other folks outside of SEC. I didn't look it up. I am as excited as the next guy about these recent wins, and I like the new lineups, and hope we keep it that way. I hope the wins at Mizzou was a start to better play. They did beat Kentucky last week 2 of 3. Anyway, I am very hopeful this is where we turn it around. Go Dawgs!!

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Thats swell. Just be careful who you call a dumb****

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That's just his way of communicating. He's on a certain spot on the learning curve. He's having a tough time getting traction. Not sure he understands "careful" yet.

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

But they have lost 3-in-a-row at their place twice before we came to town, and to some unimpressive teams.What so many of you aren't grasping is that, most of us who are "complaining" are really only "complaining" about the degree of accomplishment the OP wants to assign to these victories, or the reason for the wins.

We are happy for the wins, but perhaps more relieved, than happy. This is perfectly reasonable given the opponent, and given our performance just prior to our beating up of a couple of relative weaklings.

In our previous 7 games versus quality opponents we went 2-5, damn near going 1-6. We got our asses kicked in 3 of those 5 losses. It is simply foolish to imagine these past 4 games have remotely wiped-the-slate-clean on those previous games. We need to show we are capable of beating the quality teams consistently before we deserve to crow too much.

If we win 3 of the next 4, it'll be much more appropriate to be as positive as many of you feel is already warranted. At a minimum we need to go 2-2 with at least 1 loss being competitive, IMO.

Stop and reflect a minute. Going into the game versus Alcorn State followed by 3 versus Mizzou, what would it have taken to make you feel concerned we were in trouble? Would you really feel good if we'd lost even 1 of those games? If not, then why feel like the extra win means so much more?

I prefer to be glad we beat 2 teams we should have beaten every time, and let that give me hope we're coming out of it, rather than declare these 4 games as PROOF we have turned the corner.

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Not this year Mizzou hasn't. We're the only team that has swept them in Columbia thus far.

http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-bas...ebl-sched.html

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Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg

That's just his way of communicating. He's on a certain spot on the learning curve. He's having a tough time getting traction. Not sure he understands "careful" yet.

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He will be communicating somewhere else for awhile.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Not this year Mizzou hasn't. We're the only team that has swept them in Columbia thus far.

http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-bas...ebl-sched.html

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I said they have lost at least 3-in-a-row at home twice before. That said, I do need to correct one mistake, as one of the streaks counted a tourney where they were just listed as the "home team". The fact that it wasn't a "sweep" by the same team means absolutely nothing by way of making it any less indicative of how bad they have been this year. In fact, one could argue it's worse to lose these 3 in a row:

Southern Il.
UGA
UGA

In any case, looking again at their schedule, perhaps they're not quite as bad lately as they have been most of the season. but I still don't look at them as a quality opponent, and I don't think we should celebrate too much until we do start beating quality opponents again. Let's be happy for the wins we should get, but not declare some other kind of extended victory or a "conquering of our demons" until we actually do wins series again versus quality teams.

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

I said they have lost at least 3-in-a-row at home twice before. That said, I do need to correct one mistake, as one of the streaks counted a tourney where they were just listed as the "home team". The fact that it wasn't a "sweep" by the same team means absolutely nothing by way of making it any less indicative of how bad they have been this year. In fact, one could argue it's worse to lose these 3 in a row:

Southern Il.
UGA
UGA

In any case, looking again at their schedule, perhaps they're not quite as bad lately as they have been most of the season. but I still don't look at them as a quality opponent, and I don't think we should celebrate too much until we do start beating quality opponents again. Let's be happy for the wins we should get, but not declare some other kind of extended victory or a "conquering of our demons" until we actually do wins series again versus quality teams.

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According to their schedule they haven't other than to us. That Southern Illinois game was played in O'Fallon which is a suburb or St. Louis.

It's darn hard to sweep anyone in the SEC. You can look at what Mizzou has done in SEC play and that bears that out. The only other time that they have been swept was in Oxford.

I'm sorry if we're "celebrating" our baseball team sweeping someone is something that you have trouble handling right now. But the fact of the matter is as of last week we wouldn't have swept Mizzou on the road and that is at the very least encouraging. Like I said last week- our players can either pack it in or fight. It looks like they've chosen to fight.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

According to their schedule they haven't other than to us. That Southern Illinois game was played in O'Fallon which is a suburb or St. Louis.

It's darn hard to sweep anyone in the SEC. You can look at what Mizzou has done in SEC play and that bears that out. The only other time that they have been swept was in Oxford.

I'm sorry if we're "celebrating" our baseball team sweeping someone is something that you have trouble handling right now. But the fact of the matter is as of last week we wouldn't have swept Mizzou on the road and that is at the very least encouraging. Like I said last week- our players can either pack it in or fight. It looks like they've chosen to fight.

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Hey man, I'm not saying we shouldn't feel good about the sweep. I'm saying we shouldn't perhaps feel, "too good" or consider it a sign we have emerged from our funk. Compete with OM and win the TAMU series, then I'll feel much better about where we are.

And if you don't think a suburb of St. Louis is a home game versus a team from Illinois, I don't know what to tell you.

NO ONE said we have turned the corner or that we have now emerged as the team to beat.
But the first post to this thread was YOU saying a bad Mizzu team.. Something negative..
No props for a good sweep. or way to nut up on Sunday and get the win. Or we hit the ball well..
Nothing positive from you.. until we all started showing you that it was a good 3 game sweep..
Quoting CDM.... "You need to clean things up a bit next time"...

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

Hey man, I'm not saying we shouldn't feel good about the sweep. I'm saying we shouldn't perhaps feel, "too good" or consider it a sign we have emerged from our funk. Compete with OM and win the TAMU series, then I'll feel much better about where we are.

And if you don't think a suburb of St. Louis is a home game versus a team from Illinois, I don't know what to tell you.

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Columbia is 100 miles from St. Louis. There are a ton of University of Illinois alumni in St. Louis. In fact they are having their version of the Governor's Cup this week at Busch Stadium. That Southern Illinois game was a neutral site game and it would be like counting the USM game as a home game for us.

The bottom line is bad baseball teams or teams in a rut don't sweep bad baseball teams on the road in the SEC.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The bottom line is bad baseball teams or teams in a rut don't sweep bad baseball teams on the road in the SEC.

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This pretty much sums up the whole thread.

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Originally Posted by mic

NO ONE said we have turned the corner or that we have now emerged as the team to beat.
But the first post to this thread was YOU saying a bad Mizzu team.. Something negative..
No props for a good sweep. or way to nut up on Sunday and get the win. Or we hit the ball well..
Nothing positive from you.. until we all started showing you that it was a good 3 game sweep..
Quoting CDM.... "You need to clean things up a bit next time"...

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A ton of people are insinuating this was a a sign we have turned things around. My first post was in response to another noting the 9-run average was inflated by the 16 versus Alcorn, to which I added, "and a bad Mizzou team".

Guess what...Mizzou is alone in last place in the SEC at 6-12, and are only 11-9 OOC. They ARE a bad baseball team.

I have repeatedly. specifically said I'm happy we got the sweep, but have cautioned against putting too much emphasis on this 4-game streak as it pertains to optimism going forward. On the heels of getting swept at LSu and losing 2 of 3 at home to Ole Miss, it is pretty silly to get overly-excited about a 4-game win streak over Alcorn and Mizzou x 3.

While I am glad we didn't fold versus those bad, if sometimes capable teams, I reserve the right to be cautiously optimistic, or even skeptical until I see us play well and beat teams like Ole Miss & Tamu. Those teams will be the first real test for us since the series loss to Ole Miss, IMO.

Yes, I enjoyed the sweep of Mizzou, but it really boils down to one extra win over what I am sure everyone here would have considered the bare minimum of acceptable, and we damn near lost that 1 extra game. Anything less than the Alcorn win plus 2 of 3 from Mizzou would have been terrible, so, as I see it, 2 of 3 was the bare minimum to remain a little hopeful, with the 3rd win a bit of icing on a decent, but not spectacular cake.

It needs to be followed now by a strong performance in the next 4 games to warrant more love than that, IMO.

That's not being negative, that's being real. And stop with the, "team-to-beat" bullshit. You know I never said that, not even close. You haven't showed me shit, other than you like to twist other's words and engage in hyperbole in a failed attempt to support a weak argument.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The bottom line is bad baseball teams or teams in a rut don't sweep bad baseball teams on the road in the SEC.

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I didn't say we are a bad baseball team. I have never said that, and I don't think it. I said Mizzou is a bad team, and that a sweep over them, though nice, is not something that gets me all warm & fuzzy, ready to forget the debacles versus LSU & OM.

I do think we have played poorly this past month, which clearly coincides with who we've played. Versus the good teams we got our asses handed to us. Versus the bad teams we won. I want to see us beat some good teams again before I'm ready to feel particularly good about how we're playing.

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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully

A ton of people are insinuating this was a a sign we have turned things around.\.

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No they arent- People are just proud of our team for rebounding and showing some fight.

There's not a swinging dick on this site that thinks we have a good offensive team. There's not a swinging dick on this site that thinks we are going to start slamming the ball around. BUT:

There are some guys that see sweeping an SEC team on the road is progress and something to be excited about. We still have alot of work to do- nobody denies that. But at least we showed some life and battled our asses off in Missouri.

THAT is something we can all live with from our teams

Damn 34, I gotta say that was a great post! "You've come far Pilgrim".........