Adkerson, Damp, Rula etc, were pushing for KENNY PAYNE.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueMaroon
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Adkerson, Damp, Rula etc, were pushing for KENNY PAYNE.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueMaroon
If that's the case, why the hell didn't we just give Shaka his $3mil per and hire him? Talk about a national coup for perception...Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueMaroon
The real reason is because it's bullshit that the money was there... The vast majority of the basketball money still supported Stansbury.
Bruce Ellington - 4-starQuote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
RJ Slawson - 4-star
Lakeem Jackson - 4-star
Damien Leonard - 4-star
Brian Richardson - 3-star
Eric Smith - 3-star
You were saying?
I agree with Engie here. I don't understand their loyalty to Stans over our university.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
However, I do think had we hired Drew, the money would have continued to flow and really the only way it stopped was because of Strick's WTF hire.
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Originally Posted by engie
Show me anything that has our revenue at $60-70 million a year right now. Anything.
Stadium expansion an extra 10 million...hmm.... When did we pay off the bonds that funded it ? I must have missed that.
We already get a payout from the SEC. It's not going to increase an additional $20 million from them. That would almost double what they send now.
And you continue to prove that you don't see it. Scott Drew did not change as a coach from 2006 on. He just kept building.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
You would have said in 2006 that Scott Drew would have have three Sweet 16's by now because he had proven he wasn't going to be able to turn it around.
I'm not debating that. Im simply dispelling the idea that the money was not there. It was available.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
Based on who's star scale? No way they had that much talent. They sucked hard for many years! Shit I could say Sword, Thomas and aware were all 4 stars.
Everyone of those guys sucks. None were even close to reaching their full potential. Lakeem Jackson was terrible. A 4 star? Like I said based on whose scale? Ellington was the best player they had and he realistically could only play half a season. That really doesn't prove shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
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Originally Posted by engie
I doubt we would've offered him more than we what we were paying our football coach at the time. But even if we would have, I doubt Stricklin could have pulled it off to be honest. And that is exactly how I will feel the next time he has to make a major hire for the university.
Haha great argument. Point is, they had more talent than us but you think Frank Martin shouldn't be fired after two disaster seasons, but Rick Ray should. Why does Martin get time to rebuild but Ray doesn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
Gladly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueMaroon
FY2012
FY2013
You obviously missed the difference between the terms revenue and expenses/profit as well. Basically, you missed economics101...Quote:
Stadium expansion an extra 10 million...hmm.... When did we pay off the bonds that funded it ? I must have missed that.
Please -- when you have no idea what you are talking about -- don't comment at all. It will MORE than double.Quote:
We already get a payout from the SEC. It's not going to increase an additional $20 million from them. That would almost double what they send now.
At Launch
Worth over $1Billion/Year in the near future
And sense we are counting players that transferred to other schools as fair game, we can add Rodney Hood 5 star, Jalen Steele 3 star, Wendell Lewis 3 star. Leonard and Slawson transferred and never played a minute for Martin.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
You can't compare Baylor's situation to Ray's. You just can not. Stop giving Ray value by saying Drew did it why can't Ray? Doesn't work like that. Drew had HC experience and comes from a basketball family filled with experience. Ray has none of that. Hindsight is 20/20 with Drew. We KNOW now that he's a phenomenal HC. We DO NOT know that at all with Ray. All y'all are asking is to give Ray more time? Ok but WHY? He's more likely to continue to fall flat on his face then have anything that comes close to resembling what Scott Drew has done at Baylor. Save us all the time and frustration and just hire the PROVEN HC that wants our job. Pay him $2 mill. That's more than he makes right now and less than what Auburn just paid Pearl. Hire him right now and he just may land Newman too. Oh yea Baylor is Adidas too and wears the best Adidas has to offer for basketball. Hmmm new coach fills the Hump, lands Malik Newman and has us sporting the best Adidas has all within year one. Sounds pretty ****ing good to me. Or just keep giving Ray more time and make us all continue to suffer. Your choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
No they didn't. Do more research before blindly believing Smoot. Over half the players Smoot mentions transferred before playing for Martin.
Why would we not? You said the money was there and was of no issue.... If that was the case and an unlimited revenue stream was ACTUALLY in place, it takes a moron incapable of finding his car to not go pay whatever it took to bring Shaka Smart to Starkville -- a number widely rumored to be around $3million at the time. Which Stricklin is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueMaroon
So, which is it? Either the money was there for us to go get ANYBODY -- or it wasn't. Certainly appears to me that it wasn't.
Doesn't leave a very talented roster for Martin does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I like Shaka but he's out of the running because paying him $3 MM would immediately mean Mullen gets a huge raise too. We're trying to hire a great basketball coach. Not double Mullen's salary too. Mullen doesn't deserve to be paid $4 mill+ right now. He just doesn't. Not until he's beating Bama and LSU. Then he'll deserve that salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
2012 was the year the Seals made a ONE TIME gift of 12.5 million. They're not giving that every year. You can't forecast that into our budget. 69 million less the 12.5 million one time gift puts us at 56.5 million for the year.
Your 2013 link doesn't work by the way, but I'm sure it would have it somewhere in the mid 50's as well.
I can assure you I know the difference between revenue and expense. The extra revenue from the additional seats will not exceed the bond payments by $10,000,000.
engie, I'm not disagreeing with your numbers but what about Stricklin makes you think that all the extra revenue we have and will be getting via the SEC network and the stadium expansion he will spend smartly? i.e. not hire Billy Bob's cousin, or his wife for that sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I never said we were going to hire Shaka Smart. YOU Said that we didn't have huge money to spend on a basketball coach. I said that the money was available for the basketball replacement. And it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
They all played in the 2012-13 season which was Martin's first year.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
I'm still at a complete loss as to why we gave an unproven assistant coach $1M. There are literally 100s of coaches with Brick Ray's qualifications and none of them are making anywhere near what he is making.
Also Engie, your basing most of your premise on an article from Clay Travis that is wildly speculative. No one knows for sure how much we will get, but I don know that each SEC school received 20 million dollars in 2011 and 2012. That's a lot of money; but the article you posted says that each school could receive 70 million dollars 10 years from now. Way too much speculation; not enough concrete evidence to support what it will be in 2015.
Nice yeah and the two 4 stars that transferred out averaged a nice 4 ppg. And those two four stars you would think would have landed somewhere great right? Nope, Jacksonville and Fordham. Give it up. USC had equal to worse talent then we did when Martin took over but the reason Martin gets more of a pass from me is because he has been a head coach before rebuilt and been successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
Everything is an unknown with Ray. Shit, we don't know if this is the norm for him or what he will do. We do know he needs to recruit a lot better then he has. If he doesn't, point is moot. I do know USC is in a better situation then we have two years later.
Where are all the facepalm gifs? You're the one who used stars to show how much talent Ray inherited; I just used the exact same system you did. So now you just claim they were terrible...based on the MarketingBully scale. Cool, well based on the smootness scale, every ounce of production Ware/Thomas/Sword has produced is 100% attributable to Ray because those guys were all actually 1-stars. See where the flaws are in this argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
And it's funny that you don't blame Martin for the SC players transferring, yet Ray gets all the blame for not keeping everyone that was here when Stans was. Again, I'm just using the same analysis you guys use when throwing Ray under the bus.
Martin inherited talent according to the star rating system, more than Ray did. He just ran them off and couldn't coach them up. So what's the next argument?
Just another reason I am not impressed with Keenum. As a good friend pointed out to me this morning he is a caretaker not a leader with vision..Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
Comment From Basketball jones
"Are you proud of your rick ray hire?"
10:13"
Now that is what I call using up a question.
Shirley you dont think those guys could compare to Shaun Smith, Wendell Lewis, and company????? Stands had wall to wall talent for Ray to move forward withQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Their stats and record which got Horn fired says they were terrible. Even looking at the stats those kids had out of high school tells you all you need to know. Averaging 16 ppg in high school doesn't impress me. They had one good player of those you mentioned Bruce Ellington. The others you mentioned were just plain crappy.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Ware, Sword, and Thomas combined for more ppg then all those guys you mentioned did.
Martin inherited less talent then Ray. That is all there is to that. You can argue differently if you want but you won't change my mind at all.
Martin didn't have to rebuild at Kansas St. He was handed a team with Michael Beasley and Bill Walker.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
Yes, and guess what Coach all those guys transferred out sans 2 and ended up at power house basketball programs Jacksonville and Fordham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Not in the SEC there arent. We had to pay him $1MM because this is the SEC- he's already the lowest paid coach in the conference at 1MM. We cant go lower than thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Hypnodawg
Well, based on the star system- that's just not true. With Ray having to "weed out" all the drugheads and clean things up- SC was in better shape than us when both men were hired. And Ray has performed slightly better to this pointQuote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
We'll see how the next 2 years go with a full squad
Of which he recruited and got to come there. Huggy Bear was only there one season. That program was practically Martin's.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
So what were the PPG numbers for Thomas, Sword, and Ware in HS? If we're going to constantly change the parameters of the argument, you're going to have to help me keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
Or you could just say, 'Based completely on my opinion with nothing concrete to back me up, Ray had more talent between Sword, Thomas, and Ware than Martin did on his entire roster'; if you said that, we could just agree to disagree and move on.
Not sure why we're arguing Martin vs Ray unless this is the "who sucks the most bracket #1 seed vs #16 seed".
Because next to last and last are improvements over finishing higher. Yeah, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The bond payments are an expense and in no way factor into a discussion about the revenue generated by the additional seats. What you are saying is that the additional seats will not generate a profit of $10,000,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueMaroon
The Seals didn't make that payment as a LUMP SUM. It's spread out over a couple of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueMaroon
And like every other assumption you've made in this thread -- it's been proven ridiculous. Follow the link -- it doesn't let me hyperlink to the actual page. Let me get that for you...Quote:
Your 2013 link doesn't work by the way, but I'm sure it would have it somewhere in the mid 50's as well.
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Obviously not -- seeing how badly you whiffed on what I actually said the first time.Quote:
I can assure you I know the difference between revenue and expense. The extra revenue from the additional seats will not exceed the bond payments by $10,000,000.
And I didn't say that we would see a net $10million in PROFITS from the stadium either, did I? I said we would be a $100mil athletics department 2 years from now -- if not next year -- and I'm sticking to it. It's EASY to see how I arrived at the numbers -- if you allow yourselves to leave behind poor ole MSU thinking for 15 seconds.