Someone please make me feel ok about basketball going forward

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Very good chance if Stans had been retained that Gray and Hood would both be scoring for us but we would still have a soap opera or a transfer might still have happened. Point is that we seldom lacked talent with Stans but I'm concerned whether Ray will ever recruit enough sufficient talent to compete at an NCAA tournament level. Guess we will all find out over the next couple of years.

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Didn't Ray just have a player transfer away from this team in the middle of the season? Didn't Hood transfer? Haven't others been kicked off the team? You don't think that is drama? I will take what we had (elite players with some drama) than what we have now - boring and apathy with no elite players (Sword would be if he could shoot from the outside). Saw in today's newspaper that we had 8400 at game - we had maybe 4000 for KENTUCKY in the middle of a beautiful Saturday. And don't say it is all "lower level" people that buy tickets and don't show up. There were many empty lower level seats, but there were upper level sections with 1 or 2 people in them. And, it was 4000 because KY had 1000! This is not a joke - when I left the game and saw that our girls softball team was playing, I said to my wife that we really should have gone to that game. I don't even like softball and it was a little chilly. Again, I think we will get a little better - we do have no depth. But, we don't have a shooter coming in (my friend watched the guard coming in - 6' and skinny - yea, he will be able to shoot over KY's 6'6" guards). But ever going back to the NCAA tourney is a long shot and making a run with average players is a dream.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Stans wasn't the answer. I'd rather burn through 10 coaches to finally get to the right one then to stay with the wrong one any longer. Stansbury is incapable of even making a Sweet 16. I want to see another Final Four before we all die. That's not asking for too much. I will also say I expect my AD to make better hires than the coaches he fires. Especially when he goes on his own and hires who only he wanted. This isn't Scott Stricklin University.

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It just seems that we are at best 2 seasons away from being a bubble team.

That is frustrating. I loved MSU basketball. Now Im passing up free tickets against UK. Maybe that is my fault, but following a team that is out of tourney consideration before February is just too frustrating to watch.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

It just seems that we are at best 2 seasons away from being a bubble team.

That is frustrating. I loved MSU basketball. Now Im passing up free tickets against UK. Maybe that is my fault, but following a team that is out of tourney consideration before February is just too frustrating to watch.

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I'm right there with ya man. I'm not happy about basketball at all.

Ray may be a better hire. Recruiting seems to be the only thing holding him back right now.

Josh Gray didnt come here because when Stands got fired his "love" stopped being delivered. He went to TT and averaged 10 points, 3 assists, and 3 turnovers while shooting 18% from 3. So I ask- is it Ray's fault his "love" stopped being delivered?

Hood was wanting out while Stands was here. Certain fans keep trying to bury that fact.

Blame Ray till you are blue in the face- everybody knows the real reason this program is in the shape it's in. When you have hit bottom, it takes a couple years to recover. He's had that. Next year, we will start seeing some recovering and will be a better basketball team

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Ray may be a better hire. Recruiting seems to be the only thing holding him back right now.

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When it comes to basketball, recruiting is about 65% of the job.

You can be a great X's and O's guy, but if you are putting lineups like we have right now, it just doesn't matter. Ray seems like a great guy, but its a bottom line business. If I have to wait until the 2015-2016 season to have talent to have a bubble team, that is a problem. Im rooting for the guy, but basketball doesn't require a 4 year turnaround, not if you know how to recruit.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

When it comes to basketball, recruiting is about 65% of the job.

You can be a great X's and O's guy, but if you are putting lineups like we have right now, it just doesn't matter. Ray seems like a great guy, but its a bottom line business. If I have to wait until the 2015-2016 season to have talent to have a bubble team, that is a problem. Im rooting for the guy, but basketball doesn't require a 4 year turnaround, not if you know how to recruit.

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I guarantee if Ray somehow pulls off the miracle and recruits Malik Newman.... everyone will change their minds about him

Out of curiosity, where did the mantra come from that it only takes 2 years to build an NCAA quality team?

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

If I have to wait until the 2015-2016 season to have talent to have a bubble team, that is a problem. Im rooting for the guy, but basketball doesn't require a 4 year turnaround, not if you know how to recruit.

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I disagree when the circumstances are like ours was. It was almost like probation when you had all 5 starters leave. Then a couple of signees go elsewhere

Ray comes in late and has to scramble to bring in the leftovers that April. Hard to find a quality signee at that point- recruiter or not.
Then Ray has to boot 2 more players because they cant stop smoking weed
Then we have 2 ACL tears

Ray's 1st season was a throwaway

Now we are an improved team this year that is still undermanned- why? More players from the former regime smoking dope or not playing because they want to redshirt and then transfer to Troy to play for Cunningham.

Bottom line- Ray has taken over a 2 year rebuild and now we should start seeing some real progress the next couple of years

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Originally Posted by Intramural All-American

Out of curiosity, where did the mantra come from that it only takes 2 years to build an NCAA quality team?

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Especially when it took The Recruiter 4 years to build one and he took over a much better situation

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I disagree when the circumstances are like ours was. It was almost like probation when you had all 5 starters leave. Then a couple of signees go elsewhere

Ray comes in late and has to scramble to bring in the leftovers that April. Hard to find a quality signee at that point- recruiter or not.
Then Ray has to boot 2 more players because they cant stop smoking weed
Then we have 2 ACL tears

Ray's 1st season was a throwaway

Now we are an improved team this year that is still undermanned- why? More players from the former regime smoking dope or not playing because they want to redshirt and then transfer to Troy to play for Cunningham.

Bottom line- Ray has taken over a 2 year rebuild and now we should start seeing some real progress the next couple of years

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No former state players are enrolled at Troy. Jalen is most likely going to East Carolina. Depth or not, one of rays signees transferred while he was starting. That is something that is being buried that no one talks about. We are taking too many developmental players. We need difference makers and none are on the way currently.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Especially when it took The Recruiter 4 years to build one and he took over a much better situation

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Heck, Stansbury couldn't get to the tournament his last 3 years, one of which was top 3 talent teams in MSU history, but people are upset because he was let go. Then a lot of these same people were calling for Mullen's head midway through this football season because he hasn't gotten us to "the next level." So people call for Mullen's head but get pissed when stansbury gets fired for basically the exact same reason. Although, in reality, Mullen has improved us whereas Stansbury clearly was not improving.

Our fan base lacks logic.

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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE

No former state players are enrolled at Troy. Jalen is most likely going to East Carolina.

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But his plan was to redshirt and then go to Troy. Now if that changes- so be it. But you cant blame Ray for Jalen refusing to play this season.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I disagree when the circumstances are like ours was. It was almost like probation when you had all 5 starters leave. Then a couple of signees go elsewhere

Ray comes in late and has to scramble to bring in the leftovers that April. Hard to find a quality signee at that point- recruiter or not.
Then Ray has to boot 2 more players because they cant stop smoking weed
Then we have 2 ACL tears

Ray's 1st season was a throwaway

Now we are an improved team this year that is still undermanned- why? More players from the former regime smoking dope or not playing because they want to redshirt and then transfer to Troy to play for Cunningham.

Bottom line- Ray has taken over a 2 year rebuild and now we should start seeing some real progress the next couple of years

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When you say progress, what do you mean? A bubble team? An NIT team? .500 in the SEC? 20 wins?

Right now, I see 5-6 SEC wins in a terrible conference where there are probably 3 tourney teams. That is the bigger issue for me. This isn't the SEC in football - this is probably as bad as the SEC has been over the last decade. Its probably a 3 bid league - with 14 teams. That is atrocious. So when you can only win 5-6 games and are now playing 18 SEC games - that is a problem.

The other issue I have is that the guys carrying this team are Stans' signees. Who has Ray signed that is even a solid contributor? I can't think of one, maybe Ready, but overall Sword, Thomas, Roq, and Ware are carrying the team and they are all Stans guys.

The new recruits coming in next year are not impact players, they are solid role players, which is what are team is full of. Solid guys that can be the 3rd or 4th best player on a tourney team. A guy that is a recruiter can land guys that are top 100 recruits. Hell, the cabbie attacker has signed Saiz and Coleby - both are going to be really solid players for the bears the next 3-4 years.

If you had told me back when we fired Stans that it was going to be at least 4 years before we were a bubble team - I would have said, **** it - we can be a bubble team now;

It shouldn't be your 4th season as a basketball coach before you sign a player that is an impact freshman. Based on our commit list, it will be 2015-2016 before we have an impact freshman - and that is a hope right now, its not like we have a top 25 player in the country committed.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

The other issue I have is that the guys carrying this team are Stans' signees. Who has Ray signed that is even a solid contributor? I can't think of one, maybe Ready, but overall Sword, Thomas, Roq, and Ware are carrying the team and they are all Stans guys.

The new recruits coming in next year are not impact players, they are solid role players, which is what are team is full of.

If you had told me back when we fired Stans that it was going to be at least 4 years before we were a bubble team - I would have said, **** it - we can be a bubble team now.

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A) Ray has one recruiting class on the floor- Who in the hell else should be the best players on the team?

B) With who Ray in bringing in next year- along with what we have- we will be a solid basketball team. Houston and Daniels will be solid additions. Ndoye will be good depth. Elijah Staley will be a solid player in the 2nd half of the season for us also.

C) Stands was fired because of team discipline and the shit show around the program- not wins/losses


These types of posts are literally the same ones made during Cohen's 1st 2 years.

I guess Jeff Lebo doesn't have a 'no smoking policy' at East Carolina if Steele is going to ECU

Our best 3 point shooter is Borchert and we are losing him next year. Who will be able to knock down a jump shot or bust a zone for us in year 3 of Rays tenure? We will continue to get zoned to death and score in the 50s until Ray bring in some shooters. it's kinda like watching Crooms teams in football. Even when we won it was ugly because our offense was so bad. As a fan its just not a very entertaining brand of basketball we are putting on the floor

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

When it comes to basketball, recruiting is about 65% of the job.

You can be a great X's and O's guy, but if you are putting lineups like we have right now, it just doesn't matter. Ray seems like a great guy, but its a bottom line business. If I have to wait until the 2015-2016 season to have talent to have a bubble team, that is a problem. Im rooting for the guy, but basketball doesn't require a 4 year turnaround, not if you know how to recruit.

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I agree but he needs 2-3 years to get it going. He's new to Mississippi, the university, the SEC, etching... that's a lot relationships he needs form in a short amount of time. Those things will happen and hopefully he'll continually improve at managing them. By most accounts the beginning of his tenure wasn't the smoothest transition with a lot of the people he needs to be friendly with, but I think time heals all wounds and we'll get better in the immediate future.

I hate to say it, but I think his sink or swim moment could be based on his ability to pull one specific recruit who shall remain nameless. Win that battle and the program turns. If not, it could be the beginning of the end.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I agree but he needs 2-3 years to get it going. He's new to Mississippi, the university, the SEC, etching... that's a lot relationships he needs form in a short amount of time. Those things will happen and hopefully he'll continually improve at managing them.

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This can't be stressed enough. Even in basketball, it's going to be difficult to recruit as a newcomer at your first HC job. It was always going to take two or three years, that hasn't changed.

The one thing that does bother me is the idea we were hearing soon after Ray's hire that we were going to minimize involvement with AAU. I'm not sure if that was Ray's or Stricklin's deal, or if it still is or ever was a thing, but if it is, that's got to stop or recruiting isn't going to improve no matter how much Ray builds his infrastructure and reputation.

My issue is that we don't have to be on a 3 year plan to be sniffing the bubble. We can just simply fix it before next year. Davis, Bloodman, Thomas and one other player HAVE TO GO though. Which is more important to Ray? Fielding his shitty team for 4 years or finding another job after 4 years? If he replaces those 4 players with GOOD shooters we will be in the NCAA next year! Look at Memphis's commits. Memphis is ranked right now and they are bringing 3 jucos and 1 high school player in next year. They are adding immediate help. If Ray would just do the same we won't have to find another coach 2 years from now. http://memphis.scout.com/a.z?s=350&p...bb&c=4&yr=2014

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Originally Posted by HailState39110

Our best 3 point shooter is Borchert and we are losing him next year. Who will be able to knock down a jump shot or bust a zone for us in year 3 of Rays tenure? We will continue to get zoned to death and score in the 50s until Ray bring in some shooters. it's kinda like watching Crooms teams in football. Even when we won it was ugly because our offense was so bad. As a fan its just not a very entertaining brand of basketball we are putting on the floor

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This is exactly the problem. Stans is gone, and I recognize that. I think he should have been ask to leave earlier or stay a little longer (bring in his committed players and try to get Hood to stay), but that is over. I am worried that basketball is going to be set back so far, that it will not be fixable. I think Ray/staff are good coaches. Hell, we stay close with almost no depth or shooters. He has them playing defenses to emphasize our quickness and hide our lack of size. And, he has them run on offense because we can score in transition and not in a halfcourt game. But, like what is said above, it is ugly even when we win. I am telling you, it is a horrible atmosphere at the games. (The "webcam" stuff and "sponsor challenges" are worse than the game.) The additional players will make us better (an asst coach told a friend of mine that Daniels is very good), but will it be enough to get fans back? When we are not playing for anything (SEC, Tourney), I am not sure fans will come back just to see an improvement.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Stans wasn't the answer. I'd rather burn through 10 coaches to finally get to the right one then to stay with the wrong one any longer. Stansbury is incapable of even making a Sweet 16. I want to see another Final Four before we all die. That's not asking for too much. I will also say I expect my AD to make better hires than the coaches he fires. Especially when he goes on his own and hires who only he wanted. This isn't Scott Stricklin University.

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I would just love to see another Sweet Sixteen in my lifetime at this point. I don't think people realize what a feat that was for us to make the 1996 Final Four. It took a very good Sweet Sixteen 1995 team with most starters returning in 96 plus adding a great one hit wonder in Dontae Jones to make that run. Only 4 of the 14 SEC teams have ever made multiple appearances in the Final Four (UK, FL, Ark, LSU) and only 6 (add GA and MSU) have ever even made a single appearance in a Final Four.

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Originally Posted by mcdawg

This is exactly the problem. Stans is gone, and I recognize that. I think he should have been ask to leave earlier or stay a little longer (bring in his committed players and try to get Hood to stay), but that is over. I am worried that basketball is going to be set back so far, that it will not be fixable. I think Ray/staff are good coaches. Hell, we stay close with almost no depth or shooters. He has them playing defenses to emphasize our quickness and hide our lack of size. And, he has them run on offense because we can score in transition and not in a halfcourt game. But, like what is said above, it is ugly even when we win. I am telling you, it is a horrible atmosphere at the games. (The "webcam" stuff and "sponsor challenges" are worse than the game.) The additional players will make us better (an asst coach told a friend of mine that Daniels is very good), but will it be enough to get fans back? When we are not playing for anything (SEC, Tourney), I am not sure fans will come back just to see an improvement.

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Serious question. If some of you think it should be so easy to get back to the bubble, then how could we ever fall off the basketball map completely? Based on what y'all are saying, if Ray isn't the guy to do it, it shouldn't be that hard to find someone who can. So either it's easy and we can get back with our next coach (if Ray doesn't work out) or it's a whole hell of a lot harder to build a competitive team than y'all are making it out to be.

I wish people wouldn't bring up Josh Gray. The dude is not a program changer and he proved that at TTU. He's no more a player than IJ Ready. Anyone with D1 talent can find a JUCO squad and take all the shots. We have plenty of guys that can fill the role he would have on our team. Our problem is size and pure, spot up jump shooting. Our current team dribbles and moves the ball around better than any team I can remember in Stansbury's last 8 or so years. We just simply can't convert our chances. We'd be pretty lethal if we had the ball handling and movement we do now with players that could stroke it like Ravern.

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

I wish people wouldn't bring up Josh Gray. The dude is not a program changer and he proved that at TTU. He's no more a player than IJ Ready. Anyone with D1 talent can find a JUCO squad and take all the shots. We have plenty of guys that can fill the role he would have on our team. Our problem is size and pure, spot up jump shooting. Our current team dribbles and moves the ball around better than any team I can remember in Stansbury's last 8 or so years. We just simply can't convert our chances. We'd be pretty lethal if we had the ball handling and movement we do now with players that could stroke it like Ravern.

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good post

LSU says you are full of shit about Gray. they like Him a lot just like Stansbury did. iJ Ready is that the answer when y'all cant think of any other recruit Ray has signed. IJ ready is a pretty good role playerwho gets schooled when He plays defense. You have to have guards to win Big.Please Rick Ray go to JUCO and find two guards that can shoot and defend. Let them not be the smurf type guards that Ray loves. We should be able to sell playing time, because if you are worth a shift you are better than what we currently have.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

LSU says you are full of shit about Gray. they like Him a lot just like Stansbury did. iJ Ready is that the answer when y'all cant think of any other recruit Ray has signed. IJ ready is a pretty good role playerwho gets schooled when He plays defense. You have to have guards to win Big.Please Rick Ray go to JUCO and find two guards that can shoot and defend. Let them not be the smurf type guards that Ray loves. We should be able to sell playing time, because if you are worth a shift you are better than what we currently have.

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Well your boy Josh Gray is a towering 6 foot 1. I'd take his JUCO stats with a grain of salt because he shot a whopping 36% from the field and a slick 18% from beyond the arc in his first go-around at D1 basketball. I bet the other LSU players can't wait for him to get there and throw up 30 shots a game like he's used to right now. Ready is a solid, poised freshman player and a piece you need to have a solid team, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. I'm not saying he is the answer to our problems, because he's not, but I know adding a player like Josh Gray to our team sure as hell isn't either.

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Well your boy Josh Gray is a towering 6 foot 1. I'd take his JUCO stats with a grain of salt because he shot a whopping 36% from the field and a slick 18% from beyond the arc in his first go-around at D1 basketball. I bet the other LSU players can't wait for him to get there and throw up 30 shots a game like he's used to right now. Ready is a solid, poised freshman player and a piece you need to have a solid team, nothing more, nothing less at the moment. I'm not saying he is the answer to our problems, because he's not, but I know adding a player like Josh Gray to our team sure as hell isn't either.

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To put it in perspective- Craig Sword shot better from 3 than Josh Gray did last year when they were both Freshmen.

75% may be low.

I like the way the team plays for the most part, but they are so bad on offense for long stretches it is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Intramural All-American

Serious question. If some of you think it should be so easy to get back to the bubble, then how could we ever fall off the basketball map completely? Based on what y'all are saying, if Ray isn't the guy to do it, it shouldn't be that hard to find someone who can. So either it's easy and we can get back with our next coach (if Ray doesn't work out) or it's a whole hell of a lot harder to build a competitive team than y'all are making it out to be.

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I think it can be difficult or slow to accomplish if you're not quick with turnover at the start. You can't get stuck or bogged down in under performing players for 3-4 year stretches. Sometimes you get lucky with the players you get at first and you look like a genius and other times you have to cycle through some till you get enough talent. If you upgrade your weakest links for a couple years you should soon have enough to get you on the bubble. Ray doesn't always have to be cutthroat with his players but I think it's MANDATORY his first 3 years. After that the roster should be full and his weakest players become Roq and Sword types instead of Cunningham and Jacoby Davis. He must raise his floor. I already said how he can do it. I'm not asking him to bring in Kentucky/Florida type talent. Just bring in 4 players better than Davis, Bloodman, Thomas and ? (Black or Ndoye maybe) with 4 players that can shoot and score. That's it. College basketball is not four year commitments anymore. It hasn't been for 10+ years now. It's one year scholarships that can be renewed. Eventually Ray can get a more secure and talented roster that it can become longer commitments for him and his players but definitely not right now. GO GET FOUR BETTER PLAYERS. Again do this and keep your job. Don't do this and well it's going to be very difficult.

6'1 is Abigail guard by Ray standards. Gray was a freshman just like Sword. So C34 you are saying Ray is coaching the Chicken down

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

6'1 is Abigail guard by Ray standards. Gray was a freshman just like Sword. So C34 you are saying Ray is coaching the Chicken down

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No, I'm saying Sword would average 35/game in juco

I don't think you realize that Cunningham has played out of necessity. He played last year due to Shaun smith and Kristers being kicked off and then two torn ACLs. Then this year, two more kick offs and fallou and Daniels having to redshirt. So each year that is 4 players gone that we expected before the season. I also don't understand the Cunningham hate. He has made some big plays for us. Obviously he's not SEC quality, but Ray never expected him to be anymore than a walkon who doesn't play. You have begged for Bear and Moore, but neither of them have shown anything in their time in (except bear can rebound, but he and Cunningham play different positions). Also, Davis was signed out of necessity in Rays first two months on the job.
You are also crazy to say Sword should be a floor type. Sword is very good. Thomas is an elite defender who still may develop his shot better. I just don't understand where he is supposed to get 4 better players. You act as if they grow on trees. If it were that easy, Auburn, South Carolina, Alabama, Texas A&M, Georgia, and Arkansas would all be able to do it too.
Basically, Ray hasn't had a legit season yet due to 4 lost players each season. Next year he will realistically start to be judged. I expect 9-9 at least in te SEC. If he cant do that, he will be on the hot seat in year four.

I'm not bashing Cunningham. I think he's better than Davis straight up. I'm not buying that Thomas is an elite defender either but it doesn't matter because he's a huge liability on offense. Sword has been very good until this 5 game slide. He's been struggling mightily recently though. I also realize Ray isn't playing with the full deck he thought he'd have but I'm not focusing on the ones he doesn't have I'm saying he can upgrade 4 of the ones he has right now. There's better players within 200 miles of Starkville than those four. I'd go get them for you if I could. I can't. He has to do it.

Elite may be a bit extreme. He is a good defender, however. He has struggled offensively, but he still has games where he does well on that end. Bloodman has also greatly improved for us. Last year he was horrible. This year he is a serviceable backup. He played well in the Kentucky game. Davis is in his first year, I'd give him a little slack. And are you seriously advocating cutting one of black/ndoye who you have never seen play a game for State? Obviously black is a little more understandable, but you think we should cut a redshirting freshman in ndoye? You are so naive to believe we can just go pickup four guys to come in and make us better than what we have. Aren't you the same guy who advocated Ray picking up players from the Sanderson last year to compete in the SEC? And you said Cunningham was better than Sword.

I ripped Ray for a couple of days after we got EMBARRASSED by 46 by UNC and slaughtered by Texas and Marquette in Maui with 6 ****ing players. I was so pissed about it I brought up the tryouts idea and bringing in football players and the point I was trying to make and failed miserably at was/is that it's totally unacceptable to play any games let alone a tournament in Maui with 6 basketball players. That was 14 months ago. How long do you plan on bringing that post up for? Are you a woman? Women bring up shit 14 months ago.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I ripped Ray for a couple of days after we got EMBARRASSED by 46 by UNC and slaughtered by Texas and Marquette in Maui with 6 ****ing players. I was so pissed about it I brought up the tryouts idea and bringing in football players and the point I was trying to make and failed miserably at was/is that it's totally unacceptable to play any games let alone a tournament in Maui with 6 basketball players. That was 14 months ago. How long do you plan on bringing that post up for? Are you a woman? Women bring up shit 14 months ago.

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I can't for the life of me figure out how you are not currently coaching in the NCAA, if not the NBA? I mean, after all, you have it all figured out and its a piece of cake to just find elite talent growing on trees in jucos.

**it was tough for me to type this post out through the blank stare I can't seem to shake over your proposition that we should cut a guy that you've never even seen play because you don't think he's any good.

Just accept the rebuilding year -- don't form opinions based on actual results yet -- and let it play out. Rubber meets road in year 3 or else we start seriously considering going another direction.

The people that were analyzing the hell out of baseball for Cohen's first 2 years were largely the same ones off wanting to get rid of him/Butch. They were forming comparisons between Polk's last team and Cohen's first/second -- saying Raffo was a better hitting coach -- and there were even a few contending that McNickle was a better pitching coach. His first 2 years SUCKED. No one denies that, although people seem to ignore what the baseball rebuild actually taught them while looking at the basketball rebuild. There was points in time where it was not a "sure thing" Cohen would get it going in year 3 -- and everyone knew it as make or break time for him.

Point being -- you can't really take ANYTHING from rebuilding years where you are shorthanded. Just accept that there will be a few bright spots and alot of shitburgers -- and circle year 3 on the calendar. Very few coaches would have "fixed" our basketball program inside the first 2 years -- and those that could would never have likely put down roots here. As of today, we still don't know for sure what we have in Ray. Next year -- we're either in the postseason -- or we need to start looking around.

Exactly. Next year the standards raise a little and it's time to push for a team capable of making the NIT

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Exactly. Next year the standards raise a little and it's time to push for a team capable of making the NIT

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Do we accept CBI next year?