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I want even take time googling Memphis b'ball coaching salaries vs LSU'S. I'd bet big money all the memphis coaches make more than lsu's. and of course kirby would have indeed gotten a raise leaving lsu for memphis. oh and btw, whomever it was, please don't refer to kirby as "coach K"...that's just jacked upQuote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
O'Bryant really would've been a nice get for the team, but we've never recruited the delta well at all. I think Tyrone Washington is the only guy who comes to mind that we've gotten from that area for basketball.
Stans may have gotten the players.... but everyone is more upset with what he did after he got the players. With the right coaching and DISCIPLINE, State could have been a Kentucky like program. But he choked on the actual coaching aspect in his career. I'm all for the bashing because the teams Stans coached were poorly executed.... especially late in the games. Ray has these kids in shape and hungry to win. Stans never had the control and comradery that Ray possesses, and that is why we bash him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acid mouth
I'm not bashing Robert Kirby in any way. I've always said good things about him. I've said numerous times him leaving our program hurt alot with the discipline sideQuote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
That couldn't be farther from the truth. I was at all of those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Another sorry attempt to smear Stansbury with exaggeration.
Josh Pastner of Memphis makes $1.69 million while Johnny Jones of LSU is making $1.1 million. Kirby was making $240,000 a year at LSU and is now making $304,500 at Memphis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
For the record, here is one saying Trent Johnson made 1.51MM after his 2nd season at LSUQuote:
Originally Posted by grinnindawg
http://college-basketball-coaches.findthedata.org/
Nice to have you on the board, Meo. Do you and Rick have West championship banner sheets and comforter?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
Agreed. I was at the A&M game this past week (and OM game) - the atmosphere now is terrible. Maybe 3500 fans - thank goodness they give away free pizza to get some students to the game. I was happy that we won (with less talent and just did what it took to win), but the games are just not enjoyable. The talent level is just not good, so the game is not enjoyable to watch - almost boring. The most talent and fun was at halftime watching the "Kings of the Court" (Grizzlies dunking team).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
That's nice. Did it include incentives and outside income?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
My guess is it does. The article I linked was base pay.
I have little doubt Memphis' coach makes far more off the court than LSU's.
For the record, here's one saying Pastner is making 2.14M to 2.57M a year in base pay.
" ....Memphis for seven more years through the 2019-2020 season. He will also be paid a base salary between $15 million to $18 million"
http://www.localmemphis.com/news/loc...dEmnv8dEuR5KtA
Why on the day after we beat the #1 team in the SEC are you spending energy worrying about what could have been?
Did Stansbury upset you personally in some way?
I'm glad our team is playing hard defense and finding a way to win at home. Hope it continues.
Hello, My name is Coach34. I've been messing with State fans about Stands for 10 years nowQuote:
Originally Posted by grinnindawg
Disagree on O'Bryant. Nice player but not a program changer. I mean just look how great LSU has been since he's gotten there....
No doubt we could use him given our current roster, but he's no more better than Gavin Ware with a year more experience.
ok.
you've built a website that is excellent for discussion of things msu.
"messing with" a portion of your audience (for lack of a better term) detracts from the excellence.
10 years ago we were in the middle of a 4 year in a row NCAA run.
Stans got way more than he lost in MS. Time will tell on Ray, but he's looking like a hell of a floor coach which is a huge plus. Right now Stans looks like the superior recruiter and Ray looks like the superior floor coach. We can all argue until we're blue in the face, but it's irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
This post is more ignorant than even the point you are defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by TopDog58
What you should do is go eat the supper mommy cooked you, think about things for a bit and come back more prepared to discuss this with the adults.
I agree with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
wow. Sleepwalking?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Yeah, I get it, and don't mind discussing Stansbury at all - positive and negative. It's just the comments are always centered on the derogatory and it gets tiring. I realize this is a debate I will not win, but the MSU fanbase should cut Stansbury some slack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
For example, the comment about the atmosphere being terrible for Stansbury's last six years - that is the type of comment that has become commonplace even in its stupidity. It's not only an insult to Stansbury's contribution to MSU athletics, which is substantial, but it is an insult to all of the reasonable posters on this site. The atmosphere in Stansbury's LAST year was better than this year - I was at all of those games. It's bordering on the "Blame It on Bush" mentality.
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Originally Posted by smootness
Of course not. Because our fans suck.
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Originally Posted by Coach34
Like I said, our fans suck.
You're such a great fan though!! How pissed are you that we won Saturday?Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
You have to keep in mind the mental age and capacity of the poster. Some folks are doing the best with what they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
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Originally Posted by C222
I loved every minute of it. How many times did you stab your Stansbury voodoo doll during the game?
Oh look -- it's MadDawg bitching about bitching.
I like Stans. I actually know his family. I'm just in the camp that thought it was time to make a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
Truer words have never been spoken, but we have a mentality that would rather bitch than give credit. Ray has a better opportunity than any other MSU coach has ever had. A state of the art practice facility and that is entirely because of the Mize family and Stans and Wesley Reed raising the money. I truly hope Ray can bring us back to the top of the league but until he shows me he can recruit, I will wait before I adorn him as a great SEC coach. Hack's post probably said it best, but in either event, some of you idiots need to get off the agenda you have and blaming Stans at every instance is just idiotic. and that is how this thread started. Some folks just can't let it go.
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Originally Posted by TheDogFather
Oh look, it's engie bitching about MadDawg bitching about bitching.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
One day, all State fans will be on the same page again. But as long as we have posters like C34 who get their jollies from pissing off other MSU fans, and you have folks like me who take their trolling bait, I guess it will still be a while. Not sure that I understand the mentalty there, though. I love pissing off the fans of our rivals, but not so much pissing off fans of my own team.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
Stands gets all the credit in the world for the practice facility. His years of consistency help make that happen.
Yet, unlike you, I manage to actually bring something to the board. I don't spend 90% of my posts bitching about a current coach and taking up for a past one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
Close, engie. Lately my posts may indeed be 90% in one area, but your description is not accurate. I don't bitch about the current coach. I do, however, take exception to the moronic posts of those intent to keep taking shots at our former coach 2 years later.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
And even after the instigator admits he's just trolling to piss of MSU fans, you still defend it. I guess in your eyes, that's "bringing something to the board."
Some trolling, some seriousness.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
Stands was a good recruiter and built a solid network for Bulldog basketball. He did something Williams couldnt- make State basketball consistent. His faults were that he wasnt a good enough disciplinarian which led to his eventual undoing and that he didnt get enough help from his assts (not sure if that was their incompetence or by his design to handle it all himself).
The Stands crew needs to chill out and quit being so butthurt over all this. It's time for you to move on and support what we got- a guy that can coach.
Thread title you started;Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Stands missing on O'Bryant was huge
Irony. I agree, it's past time to move on.
If this team can get 1 consistent shooter and learn to box out, they'll be hard to handle down the stretch.
That is a fair deal but how about quit stirring the pot with flames about the former coach? so far you have been unable to do for 2 years after he is gone.
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Originally Posted by Coach34
The reason we missed on O'Bryant was that we didn't take his two AAU teammates Andre Stringer and Jalen Courtney. Ultimately the program leader of the Jackson Tigers pushed O'Bryant to LSU. If State had taken Jalen Courtney O'Bryant was ours. However we didn't and the rest is history. O'Bryant was never headed to Ole Miss. He wasn't going to LSU till they decided to take two of his teammates. Not taking Courtney is what haunted State, solid kid but below average SEC player.
Gotta agree with Geez and MadDawg on this one. Stansbury helped turn our program into a consistent winner. Yes, the end was bad, and it was time...but Stansbury will always be a guy I appreciate and applaud. Unlike some, I'm able to see the great times through the dumpster fire tail end.
This thread was a total pot stirring, throw Stans under the bus for the 9.7 billionth time, can't let go of a topic that starts arguments, thread. It was time for Stans to go, we get it...but he was still one of our best coaches ever in any sport at this school. And I can drink to that and tip my cap to him, even if it ended in an unfortunate way.
And I sure as hell won't be trying to come up with reasons to bash one of our best ever, just for the sake of doing it. Seems childish and pointless at this point in time. You wanna support Ray...then quit bringing up his predecessor and let him build his own legacy, good or bad.
actually, you're wrong. This thread was no "potshot" at Stands.
Missing on O'Bryant was huge. That's a fact. Just like Mullen missing on some of the WR targets he has been after or a hitting prospect Cohen missed on. Stands can still be talked about- he's not dead and decisions he made 2 years ago still affect the program- both good and bad.
I was simply watching Johnny O play wished like hell we had that SOB
I'd love to have Stringer and JOB3. With those two added to this team we'd be an NCAA bubble team.
I actually heard it was counseling against playing for Stansbury and that we were never in it with O'Bryant and there was nothing that could have been done for us to get in with him. Not sure how credible that is, but it was the story going around at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by defiantdog
Also, we got Ravern Johnson from Clarksdale. Maybe other teams backed off because of his character, but he was fairly highly rated. I think us not getting players from the Delta has more to do with the Delta just not producing a lot of players. In my four years of high school, the best player from the Delta that I can remember didn't get a scholarship offer to anywhere better than MSVU.
Have you heard that MSU has a 'new' basketball coach? And, I am sorry that Stans 'dissed' you so bad.
I know. The number of Stansbury threads on this board is amazing.Who knows the idea of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater