I'd take Cunningham- he can shootQuote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
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I'd take Cunningham- he can shootQuote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
Cunningham vs Bear has no relevance here. Bear isn't taking any minutes from Tyson. He'd spell Colin, Roq, FSF not the walk-on guard at the end of the bench. Let's not forget Bear is a true freshman. I feel confident Wilson is more than capable of contributing 10 minutes.
i don't think anyone expects him to be anything more than a glue/hustle guy that plays D, rebounds, scores some garbage baskets, and just generally uses his athleticism to do all the little things you don't see in the box score. when we've been good at basketball, we'd always have 1-2 of those guys on our teams. if he can provide 10-15 minutes of that kinda play, then he's well worth playing imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
no one is banking on him being a savior and putting up 15-10 while playing lock down D over 35 minutes a night.
As the coach of the worst sec basketball school he couldn't possibly be a poor evaluator of talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If he can shoot so good why isn't he shooting now? We need a shooter. He'll I can shoot! Put a 6'3 or 4 guard in my face and things change. That's why he isn't shooting now Granted he probably make as many 3's as FTF right now though if he did shoot.
I want to see IJ get more aggressive
You and me both brother. I see some mini Chris Paul in his game. CP3 will absolutely take over a game when his team needs it though. Ready ain't ready.Quote:
Originally Posted by whosyourdawgy
I'm not thinking Wilson will ever make a big impact, but there is no way he's not a better option than Cunningham. Wilson could have played basketball at a lot of schools if they didn't all realize he was a risk to lose to football. Cunningham was playing pick up in the Sanderson at one time.
Saying Wilson will change our team and be a big impact, is a bit silly...but saying you'd rather have Cunningham is just flat out dumb. Sorry coach. There has been times that I would rather see us play 4 on 5 than to have Cunningham out there. I do admire his hustle and work ethic though.
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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Wilson is a 6'5 Center- which is no more useful than Cunningham playing the 3...as I have to continually say around here- let it play out
Yea, and I'm sure you would pick the 6 foot walk on over the 6'5 athlete in a pick up game. Just silly. Not one of your better pot stirring attempts, but carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I will certainly take the guy that can shoot it a little over the athlete that cant score outside the paintQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Where are you getting this shit that Tyson can shoot? Do you watch the games? I would imagine DeRunnya can shoot just as well..plus we need rebounding and a tall presence just like we need shooting. I have seen Tyson hit the side of the ****ing backboard on a 3 from the corner MULTIPLE times, and air ball several more. There is nothing "good shooting" about Tyson. Hell, if there was, why would he not be playing more? Our best player went 0fer from the field the other night, so I would hope Ray isn't dumb enough to put this sharp shooter walk on on the bench when we can't hit water out of a boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Phil Turner is 6'3 and was asked to play the 4 for extended lengths of time. It's not like Bear can't move well. He's probably the fastest most athletic 4 on the team right now already. He can run, jump out the gym and he's tough. Nobody is asking him to shoot. We don't expect him to provide great offense. Just run up and down the floor faster than his man, play defense and make a few scrappy rebounds a game. THAT'S IT. 10 minutes. We aren't asking him to be a starter. Not yet. He'd have to shock us all to get that type of consideration. I wouldn't put it past him though. Besides Lewis he was our best receiver this year as a true freshman with only limited time playing football in HS. The guy is an absolute freak athlete.
Cunningham is not an SEC basketball player- I'm not saying he is. But he has made a few shots here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I am saying I dont think Wilson is an SEC basketball player either. And coming in with no practice or experience is really not going to be much of a help to us.
We shall see
Again, have you seen him play? You are describing him like he's gonna be Bubba Wilson out there w 2 left feet and can't shoot a lick. I tried to find footage of him and I found the 2 dunks I have linked so I don't know if he can or can't shoot. And if those are just average dunks, I think most is the players on out team would like to be able to do those average dunks.
He got that from me... Nice Flush...
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Just because neither are SEC basketball players (jury still out on Wilson) doesn't make them equal. Wilson is probably 'not SEC level, but fine for the MEAC'; Cunningham is 'not SEC or MEAC or D2 or NAIA'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Cunningham has made shots before, yes. Somehow, he is able to contribute something to the team when he's in. But I guarantee you that if I took 20 3's in an SEC game, I'd make some. That doesn't mean much. I would stop this argument if I were you, it isn't doing you any favors. Two years ago, I saw him hit the side of the backboard on a floater from the baseling (probably 10 feet) and saw him airball a finger roll.
I don't care what De'Runnya Wilson is as a basketball player. He got a scholarship offer from some D1 schools, so he is miles better than Tyson Cunningham.
Per Paul Jones:
" Bear played hoops his entire hs career and had one offer (UAB) and that was it. But he had football offers from MSU, Auburn, Tennessee, Louisville, etc."
Like I said, with offers like he had in football...basketball coaches weren't looking to waste a scholly on a guy that they'd likely lose to football. Doesn't mean he sucked at bball. And besides, just the fact that MSU and UAB offered bball means he is a better prospect than Cunninghamm. Cunningham is a glorified church league playerQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Well, a) based on information I've found elsewhere, I'm not sure that's accurate. Barbee did speak to Wilson about playing basketball, but that was in conjunction with a football scholarship, so who knows.
Perhaps he didn't end up with a lot of basketball offers because it became clear his senior year he was going to play football?
Anyway, again, I'm not saying Wilson will be a stud. We don't really know what he would be. I'm just saying he is almost certainly better than Cunningham.
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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I laughed hard after reading this. Well played sir.
Right. The guy was Mr. Basketball in Alabama. I'm quite sure that award doesn't go to somebody who can't play.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
A true freshman coming into SEC hoops, not having picked up a basketball in months, that's a difficult transition. I would be surprised if he could play well under those circumstances.
Not impossible, but much harder than people realize. It's a different kind of conditioning too.
Uab beat North Carolina this season. Just saying...Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Not trying to diminish it but don't they have seven mr. Basketballs in Alabama? One for each classification I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
You still have to be really good to achieve that I'm sure.
Basketball players get offers their Soph and Jr years- it wasnt established that DeRunnya was even considering college football until after basketball was over his Jr yearQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
This is starting to turn into a Hud type post and Thread..
First off if Bear plays fine. He will help the team with his depth and might even contribute in a bigger role down the stretch.
He isn't going to come in and play major minutes and score in double figures from the start.
And for the person who said he could learn the system in 30 minutes your an idiot. He couldn't even learn Stands X and O's in 30 minutes.
Honestly I want Bear working individual workouts right now with Dak and the QB's.
Let his body heal if it needs to.
And get ready for spring drills.
This is going to be a HUGE spring for our WR core to get on the same page with our Qb and take the next step with another year under Gonzo..
I just think it's funny they think basketball coaches backed off a guy because of football when he never even played before his Sr season. The reason he played football was because nobody was offering him in basketball.
No they have only one Mr. Basketball for the entire state. DeRunnya "Bear" Wilson won that award last year. I'm sure it helped that he won 3 consecutive 5A State Titles but the fact remains that of every single HS basketball player in the entire state of Alabama Wilson was voted the best of all of them. Since 1986 26 of the 28 winners have played D1 college basketball. 19 of the 28 have played in the SEC and 3 have been drafted by the NBA. It's a big ****ing deal to win that award. MSU has the last two winners in Sword and Bear. I like this trend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Mr._Basketball
Hmmm. The other two Alabama Mr. Basketball winners to attend Mississippi State are Daryl Wilson and Craig Sword.
I guess some folks think they couldn't/can't play either.
He's a hell of an athlete, so by SEC Basketball standards he's probably better than half the players in the league. Receivers/Tight Ends have an easy transition to and from Basketball. It'll probably benefit his ball handling skills.
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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
Craig Sword was a 4-star with offers from all over
Darryl Wilson was Alabama's all-time HS leading scorer
Nobody ever doubted these two guys
Super D didnt have many offers because he was a prop 48 casualty. Williams rolled the dice on him. Did Craig Sword have a ton of offers? I don't remember.
Sword held offers from Bama, Auburn and Georgia and would have been more if he hadn't committed to State for the longest time. C34 is right that Bear's size hurt his interest in that he excels down low but he's only 6'5. My argument is that he's not a slow big guy with limited coordination. He's quick, runs the floor better than guards, tough, strong and can jump out the gym. Use him as a hybrid type player or VCU type player and he can create havoc. He doesn't have to be leaned on to create offense. He will create his own offense by cleaning up on offensive rebounds or simply beating his man down the floor. With Bear's speed MSU becomes more effective in an up-tempo style. Slow the ball down and make it half-court and he loses that advantage.