Thoughts on Arnett 2.0

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Originally Posted by KB21

The fact that he is being brought back to the program he destroyed, he should have to acknowledge it.

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Hey, Elsa. Let it go.

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Originally Posted by KB21

The fact that he is being brought back to the program he destroyed, he should have to acknowledge it.

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He didn't destroy it and you know that. Dave Emerick and Matt Dudek destroyed our program. Leach, God rest his soul, had a hand in that. He hired them, or signed off on it, and they were in charge of recruiting. The fall off was never going to be evident under Mike because Mike got more out of his players and knew his scheme so well that he schemed G5 guys consistently open against top tier P4 defenders. But we all knew the minute Mike left, we were going to be rebuilding because we knew we had to build up recruiting. You could look at our roster and see that.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I think he should come in, say suck it bitches, I'm back!! Gator don't play no shit! Mic drop and do the DX suck it thrust right into the camera. Walk off stage taking no questions.***

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Made my fianc?e watch this movie for the first time this year

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

He didn't destroy it and you know that. Dave Emerick and Matt Dudek destroyed our program. Leach, God rest his soul, had a hand in that. He hired them, or signed off on it, and they were in charge of recruiting. The fall off was never going to be evident under Mike because Mike got more out of his players and knew his scheme so well that he schemed G5 guys consistently open against top tier P4 defenders. But we all knew the minute Mike left, we were going to be rebuilding because we knew we had to build up recruiting. You could look at our roster and see that.

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You have captured the situation perfectly. It is so evident that we were looking at a significant loss of talent more so on the defensive side of the ball where they really dropped the ball. That pair hurt us and burned some bridges in this state that we are still trying to repair.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

In theory it's a great idea. But there's two outcomes of that happening and neither are good.

1. Arnett admits he was in over his head, listened to the wrong people, and overall lost control of the situation. That makes Mississippi State look bad for hiring him, our boostership look like Auburn or Florida, and brings back up issues people had in 2023.

2. Arnett acts defiant and doubles down on his decisions. This causes the Air Raid cult to go back after Arnett and continues to divide an already fractured fanbase.

Like I said, in theory it is a good idea and it would give answers to a lot of things that happened in his 10 months as HC. But you're appeasing 10% of the fanbase and pulling the curtain back and letting the rest of college football see how unorganized we were. That lets other coaches negatively recruit against you because they'll use the Arnett stuff against us.

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Oh damn. Maybe what happened was worse than I thought. But I definitely see your points. My hope would be that it would be something that would make him look better and give him some redemption but maybe not.

MSU is definitely making an effort to kind of black out 2023. The press release almost entirely skips over the fact that he was the head coach outside of one sentence.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I think he should come in, say suck it bitches, I'm back!! Gator don't play no shit! Mic drop and do the DX suck it thrust right into the camera. Walk off stage taking no questions.***

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Awesome!

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

You want the play by play of what led him to go to Wendy's with no clothes on?

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Not awesome!

He's never going to live that down. It's his penance for 2023.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Oh damn. Maybe what happened was worse than I thought. But I definitely see your points. My hope would be that it would be something that would make him look better and give him some redemption but maybe not.

MSU is definitely making an effort to kind of black out 2023. The press release almost entirely skips over the fact that he was the head coach outside of one sentence.

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I mean what was the press release going to say, "Arnett returns to Mississippi State after being the HC for a whole 10 games culminating in 51-3 loss against, also outgoing coach, Jimbo Fisher and Texas A&M. During his short tenure as coach he hired one of the worst offensive coordinators P4 football has ever seen, gave a scholarship to Ryland Goede, and somehow managed to make Mississippi State fans realize that the backup was in fact WORSE than the starter. During his sabbatical from Starkville, he somehow made Ole Miss fans miss him and he learned that, the social media era, What happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas."

I mean we fired the guy after 10 games, that's Mississippi State admitting we made a mistake.

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Originally Posted by KB21

The fact that he is being brought back to the program he destroyed, he should have to acknowledge it.

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He didnt really destroy it. As SVS said- we were going to suck in 24 regardless. The cupboard was bare and we had just started getting NIL on the right track. It hasnt been that long ago that Charlie had to take the bull by the horns and get things organized there. Arnett did us no favors but destroying is a little overboard. The Air Raid toll had to be paid in 2024 regardless

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Originally Posted by Coach34

He didnt really destroy it. As SVS said- we were going to suck in 24 regardless. The cupboard was bare and we had just started getting NIL on the right track. It hasnt been that long ago that Charlie had to take the bull by the horns and get things organized there. Arnett did us no favors but destroying is a little overboard. The Air Raid toll had to be paid in 2024 regardless

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This is the best I've heard it. We had a toll to pay.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I mean what was the press release going to say, "Arnett returns to Mississippi State after being the HC for a whole 10 games culminating in 51-3 loss against, also outgoing coach, Jimbo Fisher and Texas A&M. During his short tenure as coach he hired one of the worst offensive coordinators P4 football has ever seen, gave a scholarship to Ryland Goede, and somehow managed to make Mississippi State fans realize that the backup was in fact WORSE than the starter. During his sabbatical from Starkville, he somehow made Ole Miss fans miss him and he learned that, the social media era, What happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas."

I mean we fired the guy after 10 games, that's Mississippi State admitting we made a mistake.

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Oh, I get why they did it. It's just kind of funny in a way.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

This is the best I've heard it. We had a toll to pay.

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I disagree with this idea. They could have absolutely transitioned to one of the modern versions of the Air Raid. I get that no one would run it like Leach, but there are a lot of offensive coordinators that run a version of the Air Raid.

I think everyone had a part to play in it. To say Arnett destroyed the program is far fetched.. as one man can't just do that IF the surrounding pieces are trying to build and improve the situation. I think Arnett knew he was over his head and fully expected help along the way. Instead of getting the help, he just became a "tool" for boosters and others around him and ultimately the fall guy. And I'm not saying he did not wrong, he did. I'm just saying it's hard for one guy to destroy a program if everyone around him is trying to accomplish the opposite. I think he was set up to fail.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

I think everyone had a part to play in it. To say Arnett destroyed the program is far fetched.. as one man can't just do that IF the surrounding pieces are trying to build and improve the situation. I think Arnett knew he was over his head and fully expected help along the way. Instead of getting the help, he just became a "tool" for boosters and others around him and ultimately the fall guy. And I'm not saying he did not wrong, he did. I'm just saying it's hard for one guy to destroy a program if everyone around him is trying to accomplish the opposite. I think he was set up to fail.

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There was a group of people that basically wanted to remove everything associated with Mike Leach from the program, and whether or not he intended to, Arnett allowed them to use him as the conduit to make that happen.

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Originally Posted by KB21

I disagree with this idea. They could have absolutely transitioned to one of the modern versions of the Air Raid. I get that no one would run it like Leach, but there are a lot of offensive coordinators that run a version of the Air Raid.

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That's not the point. No one is arguing that offensively he probably made a mistake by hiring an idiot. What we're all saying is that no matter what happened, we could've hired [insert name AR name we were discussing] and we probably are still going to suck. It cannot be understated how BAD we were roster wise under Leach. But it also cannot understated how incredible he was at taking a pre Pavia type Vandy roster and winning 8 games. There was always going to be a massive drop off. We knew that. Leach didn't recruit SEC caliber athletes, for the most part, because he didn't need them. He won with low level P4 and G5 guys. I mean go to our 2023 roster, in which we won 8 regular season games. We had MAYBE 5 P4 skills players. That team won 4 conference games. Our whole roster costs MAYBE 5 mil that year. We were beating teams with 10 million dollar offensive rosters.

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Originally Posted by KB21

I disagree with this idea. They could have absolutely transitioned to one of the modern versions of the Air Raid. I get that no one would run it like Leach, but there are a lot of offensive coordinators that run a version of the Air Raid.

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I'm afraid you are missing the point. That pair did some real damage to our recruiting, they damaged many hard earned relationships throughout our recruiting footprint. We are still working to repair some of these, one example is with some of the " handlers" in the south part of our state. We will play hell trying to get an player out of Picayune or George County.

Only State could find a way to drown in a dry bathtub

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

Only State could find a way to drown in a dry bathtub

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Haha! True.

How did a mother17er that was the HC for one year destroy the program.

The administration destroyed the program. No AD, knee jerk HC hire and more.

Arnett doesn?t owe State shit for his past.

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Originally Posted by SPMT

Haha! True.

How did a mother17er that was the HC for one year destroy the program.

The administration destroyed the program. No AD, knee jerk HC hire and more.

Arnett doesn?t owe State shit for his past.

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Lol. It's crazy. If I knew nothing about Arnett before reading this board, I'd think he was a psycho who is a pathological liar and isn't even a respectable human being.

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Originally Posted by bigplayslay

Lol. It's crazy. If I knew nothing about Arnett before reading this board, I'd think he was a psycho who is a pathological liar and isn't even a respectable human being.

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You just described Lane Kiffin!!!!

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

You just described Lane Kiffin!!!!

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Ha! Only after he did what no one would ever do and leave Oxford

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Originally Posted by KB21

I disagree with this idea. They could have absolutely transitioned to one of the modern versions of the Air Raid. I get that no one would run it like Leach, but there are a lot of offensive coordinators that run a version of the Air Raid.

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We didn’t have money to Buy players because cohen is an idiot. It didn’t matter what offense we ran after 2023, we were going to suck.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

He didn't destroy it and you know that. Dave Emerick and Matt Dudek destroyed our program. Leach, God rest his soul, had a hand in that. He hired them, or signed off on it, and they were in charge of recruiting. The fall off was never going to be evident under Mike because Mike got more out of his players and knew his scheme so well that he schemed G5 guys consistently open against top tier P4 defenders. But we all knew the minute Mike left, we were going to be rebuilding because we knew we had to build up recruiting. You could look at our roster and see that.

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Arnette didn't personally destroy our program. However, he was asked to do something he didn't ask for and certainly wasn't qualified to do. That solely falls on the president since we didn't have an AD at the time.
Arnette was an up and coming DC who did a great job for us for three years. He doesn't have and never did have the temperament to be a HC in the SEC. A HC is a CEO and he is just an area supervisor. However, Leach gave him total autonomy with the Defense and left him the hell alone. And for three years, no one that I know was bitching about our defense. Yes, he screwed up (allegedly) in Vegas, but if we start getting on that moral high ground for coaches, there wouldn't be many to pass that test... Petrino, Freeze, Orgeron, Urban Meyer, Kiffen, where should I stop??? Pull up OM's head coach's mug shot for DUI.
Let the man do his job. I can assure you that no one will be more determined than ZA. If he has enough talent to work with, he will be a big upgrade from what we had under Hutzler.

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Originally Posted by speedy1972

Arnette didn't personally destroy our program. However, he was asked to do something he didn't ask for and certainly wasn't qualified to do. That solely falls on the president since we didn't have an AD at the time.
Arnette was an up and coming DC who did a great job for us for three years. He doesn't have and never did have the temperament to be a HC in the SEC. A HC is a CEO and he is just an area supervisor. However, Leach gave him total autonomy with the Defense and left him the hell alone. And for three years, no one that I know was bitching about our defense. Yes, he screwed up (allegedly) in Vegas, but if we start getting on that moral high ground for coaches, there wouldn't be many to pass that test... Petrino, Freeze, Orgeron, Urban Meyer, Kiffen, where should I stop??? Pull up OM's head coach's mug shot for DUI.
Let the man do his job. I can assure you that no one will be more determined than ZA. If he has enough talent to work with, he will be a big upgrade from what we had under Hutzler.

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Agree 100%. Zach was not remotely qualified to be the HC when he took the job. We panic hired him to keep a, hindsight being 20/20, BAD recruiting class together.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Agree 100%. Zach was not remotely qualified to be the HC when he took the job. We panic hired him to keep a, hindsight being 20/20, BAD recruiting class together.

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The fact that we were worried about keeping a high school class together in the NIL/portal era just shows how out of touch our football program was at the time.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The fact that we were worried about keeping a high school class together in the NIL/portal era just shows how out of touch our football program was at the time.

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The only worse team in the SEC than us was and still is Arkansas.

Just be thankful Cohen is gone and that we don't have the Ark AD. That man is a moron! He says things that should never be made public. Example. Hunter Yurachek publicly said that Pittman “did not have the resources he needed to appropriately compete” in the conference.

WHO IS AT FAULT? Yurachek. No self awareness. That is your friggin job. And he is STILL their AD. We have a 2 year jump on them.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The fact that we were worried about keeping a high school class together in the NIL/portal era just shows how out of touch our football program was at the time.

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We had no AD, a former compliance guy as the interim(who turned us, the school paying him, in multiple times for paying players), a university president who is far too involved in athletics to not have an understanding of NIL, and an overzealous group of boosters that saw an opportunity to get some sources on staff.

It was the perfect storm of bad things. We had a chance to swing big and didn't.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

The only worse team in the SEC than us was and still is Arkansas.

Just be thankful Cohen is gone and that we don't have the Ark AD. That man is a moron! He says things that should never be made public. Example. Hunter Yurachek publicly said that Pittman “did not have the resources he needed to appropriately compete” in the conference.

WHO IS AT FAULT? Yurachek. No self awareness. That is your friggin job. And he is STILL their AD. We have a 2 year jump on them.

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As long as John Calipari is employed as the Arkansas basketball coach, they will continue to suffer in this new era of college football. He will take 8-12 mil of NIL, between rev share and private donations, each and every year. That's an extra 5-7 mil that football is not getting every year.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

As long as John Calipari is employed as the Arkansas basketball coach, they will continue to suffer in this new era of college football. He will take 8-12 mil of NIL, between rev share and private donations, each and every year. That's an extra 5-7 mil that football is not getting every year.

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And here's the thing. The AD had NOTHING to do with getting him. That was a booster.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We had no AD, a former compliance guy as the interim(who turned us, the school paying him, in multiple times for paying players), a university president who is far too involved in athletics to not have an understanding of NIL, and an overzealous group of boosters that saw an opportunity to get some sources on staff.

It was the perfect storm of bad things. We had a chance to swing big and didn't.

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Add in boosters infighting with each other and the administration at the same time it made of the perfect storm of dumb****ery.