Arnettt is a DAMN good DC

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Deep down MSU fans don't like this and they're trying to get to a point where they're coping.

Let's see here we have:

1. We had no choice had to hire Arnett. (Sounds familiar doesn't it?)

2. The DC Arnett wasn't the lying POS that the head coach Arnett was.

3. When his defense failed it was Leach's fault.

4. When he couldn't recruit it was Emerick and Dudek's fault.

5. Hey! Haven't you made bad mistakes in your life like backstab your co-workers and lie to everyone about what you were going to do so that you could keep the team together? (I have not for full disclosure)

6. 2023's defense doesn't count.

7. Maybe it will work. (We all know how this turns out)

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Exactly, but we've become pros as a fan base at winning the off-season in our minds. Every recruiting class that has a dead last average rating in the SEC and every coaching change we make means we're rolling and about to kick butt in football................until we play the games and find out yet again that our poverty program is still in fact a poverty program.

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Originally Posted by ArrowDawg

How so? We hired him. If he's the savior you think he is, then it doesn't matter what fans say.

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98% of the time

Our fans are brain dead and wrong.

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Originally Posted by ArrowDawg

How so? We hired him. If he's the savior you think he is, then it doesn't matter what fans say.

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Lmao. I never said he's savior. You sound like a dumbass. I said we can't have nice things because our fans fight about everything. Try to keep up. Next time you might want to read the entire threads before replying.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Deep down MSU fans don't like this and they're trying to get to a point where they're coping.

Let's see here we have:

1. We had no choice had to hire Arnett. (Sounds familiar doesn't it?)

2. The DC Arnett wasn't the lying POS that the head coach Arnett was.

3. When his defense failed it was Leach's fault.

4. When he couldn't recruit it was Emerick and Dudek's fault.

5. Hey! Haven't you made bad mistakes in your life like backstab your co-workers and lie to everyone about what you were going to do so that you could keep the team together? (I have not for full disclosure)

6. 2023's defense doesn't count.

7. Maybe it will work. (We all know how this turns out)

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Wait

We have actual stats by year that he coached our D.

How are those?

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Originally Posted by ArrowDawg

Exactly, but we've become pros as a fan base at winning the off-season in our minds. Every recruiting class that has a dead last average rating in the SEC and every coaching change we make means we're rolling and about to kick butt in football................until we play the games and find out yet again that our poverty program is still in fact a poverty program.

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Dammmnnn. Hard to argue with this. I've been saying "it's gonna be different next year" for 35 years now.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

Yes this is a fantastic hire.

He?s great.

Forget about what happened.

He can coach defense. Not even a question.

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Right. Sometimes it's best to learn to compartmentalize. This is one of those times. He wasn't comfortable as a HC and the dollar signs diverted him. But a very good DC.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

This is fact. This is why Ole Miss is seen as a much bigger program nationally than State. It's all sunshine, unicorns, and rainbows coming out of that place. Everything they do is absolutely fantastic and better than what everyone else does. We suck at pulling together and putting out a unified message.

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No, I think Ole Miss is seen as bigger than us because they are headed to the playoffs and have won 10 games in 4 of the last 5 seasons, while we're on our 3rd straight year of missing a bowl.

If Ole Miss beats Virginia or whoever in their first round playoff game, they'll have won as many games this year than we have in the last 3 years combined.

I hate it as much as we all do, but trying to say it's all just the mindset of their fans and not the on-field performance of the team does us no favors.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

Wait

We have actual stats by year that he coached our D.

How are those?

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Pretty good, but Lebby is no Leach, and Arnett has apparently had some kind of mental breakdown in the years since he was last an on-field coach, so who knows if he will replicate the old days in 2026.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

No, I think Ole Miss is seen as bigger than us because they are headed to the playoffs and have won 10 games in 4 of the last 5 seasons, while we're on our 3rd straight year of missing a bowl.

If Ole Miss beats Virginia or whoever in their first round playoff game, they'll have won as many games this year than we have in the last 3 years combined.

I hate it as much as we all do, but trying to say it's all just the mindset of their fans and not the on-field performance of the team does us no favors.

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Not disagreeing with you, but it started way before this year unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yep. Only our idiot fanbase would split on this hire and decide yet again not to pull the rope in the same direction. Ole Miss fans got the memo and rallied around a Pete Golding panic hire as head freaking coach, and we can't rally around a solid DC hire? Always our own worst enemy.

And we wonder why they are a media darling and PR machine

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This is such a tired bullshit narrative.

This is the best I've felt about Lebby. Calling up arnett isn't something a guy that lets pride get in the way of winning does. Lebby swallowed his pride and made it happen bc he knows ZA can coach defense. Good job, coach

So far I have only seen Todd really upset about Arnett. Maybe there are more. But are you partly upset about the fact that Arnett was named DC and not some of the other 3 we heard because if Lebby doesn?t perform than your darling HC is fired?

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

I don't remember many studs on defense under Arnett.

Forbes and Young come to mind. But we wasn't loaded with talent under him.

Which goes back to his lack of recruiting but also shows he can do it with less talent. If he has learned to recruit then that's even better. Actually don't even worry about recruiting... just pay them.

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Forbes, Emerson, Decam, Young, Errol, Bookie, Jett, Crumedy, Wheat, Pickering?.and he didn?t recruit a single one of them.

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

So far I have only seen Todd really upset about Arnett. Maybe there are more. But are you partly upset about the fact that Arnett was named DC and not some of the other 3 we heard because if Lebby doesn?t perform than your darling HC is fired?

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Todd knows him personally. He?s not a ?respectable human being?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This is the best I've felt about Lebby. Calling up arnett isn't something a guy that lets pride get in the way of winning does. Lebby swallowed his pride and made it happen bc he knows ZA can coach defense. Good job, coach

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Interesting take that hadn't occurred to me. It seems like Arnett is the one swallowing his pride here.

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

So far I have only seen Todd really upset about Arnett. Maybe there are more. But are you partly upset about the fact that Arnett was named DC and not some of the other 3 we heard because if Lebby doesn?t perform than your darling HC is fired?

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Yeah, pickings for a guy entering the season on the hot seat aren't gonna be the best. Fortunately for Lebby and us, we found a guy that has actual recent success in the sec... and he had it at a school just like us (haha)

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Interesting take that hadn't occurred to me. It seems like Arnett is the one swallowing his pride here.

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Both did.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Forbes, Emerson, Decam, Young, Errol, Bookie, Jett, Crumedy, Wheat, Pickering?.and he didn?t recruit a single one of them.

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Yeah, our recruiting sucked under leach. Yall championing Lebby's recruiting though, right?

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Originally Posted by KB21

The man destroyed the program. How can you not be upset at this hire?

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No he didn?t. This narrative needs to stop. Leach and his lack of recruiting ?killed? the program. Fact.

I will say I am happy with Lebby?s offense. I want him to succeed. Hopefully Arnett will improve the offense so we can win some games

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Originally Posted by KB21

The man destroyed the program. How can you not be upset at this hire?

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Overreaction. I was hoping for a young up and comer but ZA is a good to very good DC. He didn?t ruin the program. We hired a coach who runs a very specific system that isn?t dependent on top end talent. It worked?for Leach?but that personnel would have worked for no one else in the nation. He was a one-of-a-kind. In the end, the MSU president made a poor, panic hire and ZA accepted because who wouldn?t? Honestly, from a w/l standpoint he?s been about as successful as Lebby has been. Anyway, it?s a decent hire and we will be better next year if we handle the transfer portal correctly.

He is a good DC but context always matters and I think it is a really bad idea to bring him back UNLESS he is doing something crazy like coaching for 200k and telling us let him use $2M DC salary on players

A heck of a hire to me. The man is a defense worrier and knows how to create what causes problems for the offence. Most of all, he knows how to coach in the SEC. I can't understand why some people won't get on board with this..

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yep. Only our idiot fanbase would split on this hire and decide yet again not to pull the rope in the same direction. Ole Miss fans got the memo and rallied around a Pete Golding panic hire as head freaking coach, and we can't rally around a solid DC hire? Always our own worst enemy.

And we wonder why they are a media darling and PR machine

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What does this even mean? Everyone rallied around Arnett the first time for HC. I even remember someone saying he would be our Saban which has my chuckling to myself now.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

What does this even mean? Everyone rallied around Arnett the first time for HC. I even remember someone saying he would be our Saban which has my chuckling to myself now.

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Zach arnett 5-6 (.455) and Saban 15-17 (.469). Your friend made a great call... just the pro Saban.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He only lost the complete respect of the team. On both sides of the ball. I'd definitely say he played a part.

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Totally and completely lost it. To the point of fighting after the UK game

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Totally and completely lost it. To the point of fighting after the UK game

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And when former players are a part of the funding of the program this makes this move even more questionable.

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Originally Posted by TStationDawg

No he didn?t. This narrative needs to stop. Leach and his lack of recruiting ?killed? the program. Fact.

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That?s the narrative the Leach haters want to use. We won 9 games and had a top 25 EPA/play offensively in Leach?s last year, but it?s his fault we are in this situation. Not the meathead who took over for him and decided to completely change the offense.

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Originally Posted by KB21

That?s the narrative the Leach haters want to use. We won 9 games and had a top 25 EPA/play offensively in Leach?s last year, but it?s his fault we are in this situation. Not the meathead who took over for him and decided to completely change the offense.

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I may be surprised because I haven't cared to look but Lebby's offense probably scores quicker than Leach's too.

Hope Arnett's boys aren't too tired like they were under Leach!***********

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I may be surprised because I haven't cared to look but Lebby's offense probably scores quicker than Leach's too.

Hope Arnett's boys aren't too tired like they were under Leach!***********

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I really hope we have a great season and you can?t even enjoy it cause you dislike the guy so much.

The only other coordinator spot he could have gotten was with App State.

Lotta talk about arnett ruining the offense, so I'd like an update on the 2 studs he had to choose from as OC. Miller and spurrier jr, right?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And when former players are a part of the funding of the program this makes this move even more questionable.

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Will Rogers and Kobe Jones and Bookie aren?t giving jackshit to our program nor have the funds to.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lotta talk about arnett ruining the offense, so I'd like an update on the 2 studs he had to choose from as OC. Miller and spurrier jr, right?

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Let?s revisit. SS JR, whom many wanted to be the HC, was fired at Tulsa. Analyst now. Barbay and Will Friend-forced upon Arnett (as was Bumphis and David Turner) we know how that turned out. Ah how could we forget Brad Peterson and Steve Campbell.

Also let?s not forget how our fans just had to have and get the likes of John Lewis, Ty Cooper, Stonka Burnside (I can keep going all night if naming these) of Madison and North MS kids who are overrated and needed to be paid high dollar signs and not contribute crap.

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Originally Posted by bigplayslay

I really hope we have a great season and you can?t even enjoy it cause you dislike the guy so much.

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I hope we have a great season because I want MSU to win. Even if we go 12-0 I still will have zero respect for Arnett.

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Originally Posted by KB21

The man destroyed the program. How can you not be upset at this hire?

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We're not cult-like psychopaths that actually care about Mississippi State over a coach or an offensive system

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I hope we have a great season because I want MSU to win. Even if we go 12-0 I still will have zero respect for Arnett.

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Another cult member.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

And when former players are a part of the funding of the program this makes this move even more questionable.

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Arnett dmt want the hc job originally and basically came out and said he wasn't ready. We forced it on him with a panic hire and made the contract attractive enough to take it.

Arnett and his family absolutely loved it here and didn't want to leave. He will be fine being the DC and there won't be any internal issues between him and lebby. They are both pretty similar dudes who take accountability and just want to win. Arnett is a hell of a defensive coach and he will do great here as long as we provide the sec talent at all three levels.

Doesn't matter who the DC is if we don't get the dudes to play.

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Originally Posted by KB21

That?s the narrative the Leach haters want to use. We won 9 games and had a top 25 EPA/play offensively in Leach?s last year, but it?s his fault we are in this situation. Not the meathead who took over for him and decided to completely change the offense.

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John Cohen not raising money for NIL is what killed the program. It didn't matter who the coach was, we were going to fall off a cliff because Cohen didn't give a sh*t about any sport but baseball. It wasn't Leach or Arnett. Hell Arnett was in charge for 10 months. You can't kill a program that fast. Recruiting sucked because Cohen didn't do his job. Period. Lebby took over no talent because Cohen didn't raise money. That's it.

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Originally Posted by KB21

The man destroyed the program. How can you not be upset at this hire?

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He destroyed the program in one year? Nah fam. Stop pretending MSU fired Leach to hire Arnett to fit your narrative.