Haha why? Because Todd4State says it is? Explain why. You're overreacting as usualQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
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Haha why? Because Todd4State says it is? Explain why. You're overreacting as usualQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
The only one he seems to have lost so far is you. HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
1 sec win in 2 years, cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Hiring a successful sec DC, not cool.
So it's personal. Got it. That's all you had to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
People change. And if not, he won't last. Sorry you had something personal happen.
We just brought back the guy that got us into this mess. When he was fired he lost the entire team. He lied to our players multiple times and painting him as some sort of victim is wrong- he wanted the job. And then he was terrible at it. We wanted a good recruiter at DC and Arnett is not that either. Blame Emerick, Dudek whoever you want but guess what? It got worse when he left.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Should be personal to all of us. Say whatever you want to cope. This is a bad hire and a bad day for Mississippi State football.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
You are misremembering. We were #1 in the SEC in time of possession in 2021 under Leach. We didn?t run tempo. We burned the clock.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
This is the most 17n MSU bullsh!t I have ever seen. The fact that we are hiring this guy back after what happened and that he would give us the time of day tells me everything I need to know.
As we’re way too many others. Until you people begin to understand the depth of the dumb17erey that we are trying to dig out of its just not going to make any sense. This sux and this situation shows as has been mentioned here how difficult for us to attract football coaches. This is due to a lack of continuity and funding with the program going back 8 years now. It’s not going to get fixed fast like you think. We are still having to rebuild the foundations that were shaky then completely blown apart. It’s a hard 17ing gig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Two burning questions:
1. Does Arnett hold any personal resentment toward Lebby? It's totally natural if he does. Imagine if you took over a team in a tough spot, got fired midway through your first year with a total record of 5-6 (counting the previous year's bowl game), with 3 Power Conference wins, and then your replacement is much worse the next year and keeps his job, gets back to your level in year 2 and keeps his job. I know some will argue that when you look deeper, Lebby's 7-17 (1-15) is not actually as bad Arnett's 5-6 (1-6) and we have debated that endlessly here, but you Arnett himself isn't going to agree with that position. I just don't see any way that some level of personal feelings about his job and his replacement don't come into play here.
2. If Lebby gets fired mid-year, does this mean Arnett is the interim head coach? Are the rogue boosters who put Arnett into the HC job in the first place hoping for that? Or is it the opposite - did pro-Lebby boosters target Arnett as insurance against a mid-season firing?
I mean after Arnett left, Golding?s defense didn?t look exactly ?great? this year. You had Ole Miss fans wanting him back.
Look at some point you have to realize we now paired the hot up and comer OC that?s now our HC with the former hot and up comer DC that LSU wanted. Arnett didn?t wanna be a HC and that compounded with a select group of overreaching boosters who wanted their buds in charge. Surround him with some guys who can recruit and bring in talent this may be a helluva story. Save the money on the coach and get the jimmies and joes.
So is Golding the one that's to blame if Ole Miss goes south? I mean, Todd, you're in your feels...but the death of Leach got us in this. Arnett contributed but he was not HC material...our folks are to blame for hiring him, you can't blame Arnett for taking a HC job and millions. Should he have said "nah, I'm good"? Come on man. You're taking a personal thing and trying to smear someone over it. You have a personal thing, fine...but the other stuff is not on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
That's like if someone asks me to be POTUS, I'm taking it....may not be in good shape after 4 years, but I'm taking it. Don't blame me if the country makes that dumb decision though.
I believe it was called the airbone by some. And it damn sure held on to the football.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I don't have to cope. A statue is better than Hutzler. This is a win, period. You're copingQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
FEI def...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
2020 - 31st
2021 - 34th
2022 - 11th
That's very solid.
Exactly, we need dudes, going to have to overpay but that is the world we live in. Let’s go.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
You guys are mad at the wrong people and I?ll just leave it at that. But I?ll point you in the right direction-President of our university.
And all those years of neglecting the football program to better the baseball program and women?s sports and taking money from the athletic program to fund academics, all lead back to one man. It gets compounded when you have a good ole boy network from North Mississippi and Madison who always want ?their guys? on staff.
Eh... I don't love it, but i don't hate it either... he was a horrible HC, but a fairly good DC. The talent he had to work with wasn't optimal, but ML controlled the TOP pretty well. As with most things, if we ball out in the portal he'll look great and if we don't they'll be gone this time next year...
Our fans have champagne taste on natty light budgets. Always have been and always will. Would rather win ?doing it right? than doing what every one else would. But hey, we have a baseball program with one national championship and a $60MM stadium that loses $4MM every year. Meanwhile our football program, in a bad year, still makes money and we don?t have nearly as many as off field analysts as f?in Vanderbilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Who is better that would be a viable option to take the job?
Good solid hire. We have some people who are mad but they are not mad about the level of product he is going to put out on defense, which is all I care about. He?s going to field a product that produces and that is what we need. When we field a top 50 defense next year paired with Lebby?s offense with KT, no one will be complaining. And if they are they will be proving they care more about a ghost than the program.
Yup, no clue what we really are.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
Yep. We don't have to love it, but it's far better than Hutzler...and considering Lebby's future isn't on solid ground, we weren't in a position of strength on new DC's.Quote:
Originally Posted by mo7888
He was good enough for us to hire him as DC, succeed, hire him again as HC, fail...then still he hired by Ole Miss, succeed, and be hired by Mullen, failed off the field...and now rehired by us as DC. The guy has succeeded more than he's failed as a DC by a long shot. This may not be as big of a win as some wanted (since delusional state fans thought we could get Durkin), but it's a win and an upgrade over the prior year. We took a step forward today firing Hutzler, and two steps forward hiring Arnett. Love it or hate it, it's true.
Now if it doesn't work, it doesn't matter bc we'll be getting a new HC anyway and Arnett will be gone too
AmenQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
That sht pisses me off so much. MS baseball is great and all, but football is the prized commodity. Its insane to me we starve it. It?s like mining past gold to get copper.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
What was the off the field failure with Mullen about?Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Ole Miss's situation is separate from ours. I don't know how that is going to play out yet. If it doesn't work it's on their AD. We'll see if Golding lies to their players and can't recruit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
AMENQuote:
Originally Posted by STATEBALLIN
There hasn't been much "official" about it, but tons of people that claim they know and lots of rumors. But he got picked up by Florida State immediately so it must not have had Career suicide status.Quote:
Originally Posted by mo7888
I'm starting to think he literally robbed Todd4State's house and urinated in his morning Cheerios before vacating the premises. *
Oh! We're so poor and so bad we could only hire Arnett. Just save that bullshit.
This is another example of MSU making a divisive hire that splits the fan base and they're going to look around and wonder why no one supports the program and be completely shocked when Arnett can't recruit and loses games because he zero blitzes at the wrong time.
But now they can't blame it on Leach's offense or his shitty recruiting on Emerick and Dudek.
So far the split seems to be between the fan base and you. Everyone's not freaking out...you areQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
And ultimately succeeding is the only thing we should be aiming for. I'm all for Arnett. I think he is a solid DC and solid hire. I'm to that point where I don't care who it is and what they have done as long as they produce a solid product on the field and we win. Arnett has proven he is a good DC. I hate the whole HC debacle and all that shit, but it's not gonna blur my vision into thinking he isn't a good hire. I'm not "in the know" when it comes to insider information but I never figured the big names DC would come unless we dropped big, big money for them. An upgrade is an upgrade and we got a big one.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Him paired with Lebby could be legit. Go spend some money on some dudes with speed at the linebacker and D line position and let Arnett blitz the hell out of teams. Gotta have some stud CB for sure tho.
I understand all sides on this hire. But one thing we can all agree on is this is a Mississippi State hire if there ever was one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Thanks for saying this. There's a part of me at the end of all this that is bigger than football. It is why I want Lebby to work out because he's passionate and seems like a legit good dude. Would love to see Arnett get things straightened back out for himself as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses
I really like Todd as a poster, but I'm afraid him and KB are about to absolutely melt. Like every thread again. Imagine when we give up a TD first game next season. Prepare yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Regarding whether he should've taken our HC job or not, I'd add, what would've happened to him if he didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Another HC may not have kept him as DC. Even if they had, their working relationship might've been bad. I know I have taken a work role that i really didn't want before simply because I was worried about who would take the role if I didn't.
All that to say, I have my doubts about the hire from a history standpoint. However, if all parties think this arrangement can work, I'm all for the likely improvement on the field.
This shouldn't split the fanbase. Everyone I talked to has had the following thought train:
- What the ****?
- Well... his defenses were pretty good for us...
- I guess the Wendeez thing isn't true... hopefully.
- If we fail this year then there's no reason to keep Lebby
- Get a DLine that can pressure well from the portal and we can be good.
- 30+ on offense and 25 or less on defense is a winning strategy...
- But seriously we all agree this is a swing for the fence play by Lebby
- Also this is kinda softening the blow when this fails and Dan comes back next year I guess
Dont want to see anyone complain anymore that we cant spin things as good as the confederates anymore. Putting record levels of window dressing today
I went easy on people during the Arnett head coaching era.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Feel free to fill me either here or via PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg