If he is then he'll leave the next coach with enough to win 9-10 games in year two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
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If he is then he'll leave the next coach with enough to win 9-10 games in year two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
Why is it more fair to add a hypothetical and undefined "someone else"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
According to the OP, the only candidates the athletic department considered were Lebby and Mullen. I think that out of those 2, a very clear supermajority of the fanbase would have preferred the opposite of what the AD apparently decided. If they had considered Brian Newberry or Brent Vigen instead of Mullen, I would infer the results of Vigen vs. Lebby or Newberry vs. Lebby poll.
Lebby isn?t even remotely close to Croom. Lebby is a legit elite play caller with an outstanding offensive system. That?s just foolish talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Elite? At what? Play calling for the special OlympicsQuote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Was it elite when he kept running Taylor up the middle over and over, and then switched back to Shapen to run him up the middle too?Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I doubt he makes it through the mid point of the year. If we play Troy, he will likely lose that one and Minnesota. I could see us at 1-5 when he gets let go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
Tater, need to start this thread over. The same posters have hi-jacked another over King Dan and Lebby sucks.
They will take over the next one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
That's why I don't even try to argue with them.
Interesting. Like I said, don?t care if you believe it or not. With that said, you can kind of tell which boosters some of those are this board have connections with. There are several that got their ego stripped by Dan when he was here which is where the whole story that he?s an ?asshole? came from. Just because the guy didn?t want to give them carte blanche with the players. That ok though. They got their golden boy into the AD slot and then got their guy Moorhead?Leach hire really got them upset though. Golden boy stepped out on his own and didn?t get the blessing. Hurt their feelings enough that they didn?t fight to keep him when Auburn called but then they REALLY got to call the shots and Zach it was! Then Lebby after that train wreck. Anyone but Dan Mullen who hurt their feelings while taking the program to #1. That?s the story I?ve heard anyway. I figure it?s mostly true.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
ETA: I hope Lebby is incredibly successful and gets us back to regular bowl games and the occasional run at the playoffs. I don’t care who is the coach I just want State to win and that’s not happening right now.
A do over would be nice. This one has gone to shat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
IF lane does not go with orgeron it would be nice to know we have him a call.
Lebby scored more points this season than Croom did in his first two seasons combinedQuote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
There are some really dumbtakes in this thread
So, you are basing his play calling in totality over a 7 play sample size. Cool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Lebby?s play calling somehow produced 0.051 EPa per play despite having a bad OL and a limited QB.
O is gonna be Lame's D-Line coach or work in some capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
Awwww cmon- you dont miss him flying to Miami during Egg Bowl week to meet with them? Good timesQuote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
DC doesnt really matter that much compared to amassing talent- need legit players on defense with a little depth. That will determine our success. Hutz is a scapegoat for lack of talent. Hutz wasnt getting toasted- #4 was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
Whoever the new DC is needs to buy some talent
You think Lebby wouldn't do that if any school thought he was worth talking to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The OP was the one who brought up Mullen in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
True but the stat that matters is wins - and Crxxm has 2 more SEC wins and 1 less overall win playing 2 less non-conference games through 2 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If lebby hadn?t shot himself in the dikc multiple times this year - the comparison would have never happened
Croom coached in a different SEC also.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandjunky
NIL/Portal has changed it all. 2025 Mississippi State is what we are looking at for the future. Pete Golding will continue to win at Mississippi as long as they spend $10MM more per year than us and remain a Top 5 SEC spender
He sucked at Colorado and he has sucked here. Whats with the love for him? Not just you, but people seem to think he's something special.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Colorado?s sack issues had more to do with Sanders and his lack of sack avoidance and less to do with their OL. Heck, they arguably had the best LT in college. Sanders holds the ball too long though. He?s even doing it in the NFL now.
I can write a check with a 1 and 2 zeros behind it! What you got?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Because there are hundreds of other coaches that are options. And when Lebby leaves odds are we will hire one of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
You're basically creating a straw man that wouldn't present how the fanbase truly feels because you are eliminating all options.
Between Dan, Lebby, and Golesh for example I think a lot of fans would pick Golesh. Or Sumrall.
And yet this guy wants Dan back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Odds are he will handle things like Sumrall. Even Kiffin was able to get his team focused on the Egg Bowl. But yeah let's just give Dan a pass because we allowed him to piss everything away because of three weeks in 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Multiple posters on this board (people that are generally considered to be "in the know" around here) have said that the only other name under consideration is Mullen. So it's completely fair to consider which of the only 2 plausible options that fans would prefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We'd presumably all rather have Nick Saban than Mullen or Lebby, but unless he actually starts talking to our administration, there's no point in including him in a hypothetical poll.
Another year of less than mediocre coming up! Oh Joy. I do t care if Dan comes back or not. But he is a hell of a lot better while looking for better opportunities the. The guy we got now! Of course that might not be saying much either!
This year, Shapen had 111 carries for an average of 0.3 yards. Mullen never put a QB in a situation like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Geeez. Seems like you can fall further than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Coaches don't leave the next coach anything but problems now. Welcome to the Portal eraQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Those same people have also said that Lebby isn't going anywhere. You have also had multiple other people in the know on here say that Dan isn't an option either. It sounds like it's a group of boosters wasting their time kicking the tires like the people that went after Jamey Chadwell a couple of years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
And I can almost guarantee you that if and when we have to find a new coach we are going to do a national search again. And if we don't we should fire Selmon. Or whoever the AD is. Because this would be the umpteenth time our booster ****ed up MSU football.
That has to be a recordQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
So? Shapen is gone. Move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
That 111 includes sacks and scrambles. He was sacked 36 times. So, that means he had 75 total runs that were either scrambles or designed runs. If you eliminate scrambles, my best guess is that Lebby only called around 35-45 total designed runs for Blake.
That's the thing tho. I wish I could find the leaked video I watched on Twitter of a zoom call between some Florida boosters. The AD and President have no say so in those hires. The big money guys hire who they want to hire or they simply threaten to stop donating 15 mill+ every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
As an President or AD, what do you do? You can't lose that kind of money every year. Especially in todays game. Big money boosters have them by the balls. If you don't hire their guy and they cut out the money, you're good as fired.
Back to the leaked video.. Florida's main booster Gary Condron wanted Sumrall over Kiffin. And threatened to stop donating if they didn't hire Sumrall. 15 mill and more a year.
Thank God. He stunk most of the year. He took some criticism and chirped back at the fans with “keep the same f energy”. He gets bench and throws a hissy fit and doesn’t participate in senior day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Kentucky is firing Stoops . Possibly DC candidate
Why hire Dan with his baggage when we could hire Urban with his baggage?
Although I think Lebby deserves more time. No coach should be fired in 2 years unless they've done something unethical. If there's reason enough to hire them, there's reason enough to give them more than 2 seasons.
I get being upset. But when you have made life changing money at a University that gave you a second chance to pursue your dream, the very least you could do is participate in Senior Day. I wasn't a Shapen hater although I've called for him to be benched since the Florida game. I'll admit that. But I've lost all respect for the kid now. Just my point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81