If Lebby fails nexts season, should we look at what byu and Utah do?

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11-21-2025, 06:58 PM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by Tater

That bold last point is why I'm good with a Dan reunion and think Mullenv2 will work.

And I agree with you but I take it a step further. The tush push offense - I could get banned in a year - maybe less. Against defenses these days - give me 11 400+ lb sumo wrestlers pushing in unison. You are not stopping me from getting 10 yards across 4 plays. You don't have the size to stop it. Hell we probably just push down the field for a TD every play. It'd be a glorious season and then immediately banned because the product would be awful to watch, but there's no ****ing stopping us.

Every time you bring this up I laugh the whole time reading it. It would be such bad TV but dang from a football perspective you cannot argue it.
11-21-2025, 07:28 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Tater

That bold last point is why I'm good with a Dan reunion and think Mullenv2 will work.

And I agree with you but I take it a step further. The tush push offense - I could get banned in a year - maybe less. Against defenses these days - give me 11 400+ lb sumo wrestlers pushing in unison. You are not stopping me from getting 10 yards across 4 plays. You don't have the size to stop it. Hell we probably just push down the field for a TD every play. It'd be a glorious season and then immediately banned because the product would be awful to watch, but there's no ****ing stopping us.

Haha!! That'd be awesome for one season!!!
11-22-2025, 02:04 PM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

Every time you bring this up I laugh the whole time reading it. It would be such bad TV but dang from a football perspective you cannot argue it.

Wouldn't it though... in years and decades in the past I longed for a good passing game... Mullen kinda brought us into that but he was well balanced.... now I find myself wishing exactly what the op just said
11-22-2025, 02:07 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

Wouldn't it though... in years and decades in the past I longed for a good passing game... Mullen kinda brought us into that but he was well balanced.... now I find myself wishing exactly what the op just said

It's not my preference. I actually like what we do on offense with this coach. I just think doing something completely opposite of what everyone else is doing could be effective
11-22-2025, 02:14 PM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by msstate7

It's not my preference. I actually like what we do on offense with this coach. I just think doing something completely opposite of what everyone else is doing could be effective

Even when Mullen was here, we kept saying rtgdfb on this board. I appreciate Lebbys offense but I think power football is still worth a try
11-22-2025, 03:12 PM
BulldogBear

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Originally Posted by Coach34

dolla bills ya'll

This AND a better 4th down IQ. That may not happen until we get an OC. Lebby needs to learn to think like a HC. Right now, sure he wants tonwin. But ONLY win HIS way. I hope he will grow, but I'm not sure he will. He always defends every decision. He's not learning. Maybe it's just coach speak and he really doesn't believe everything that he spouts off defending some really low coaching IQ decisoons.
11-22-2025, 03:17 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Okay, after reading that, this isn’t some new groundbreaking football voodoo, it’s just making the defense line up and ID the ineligible guy. That’s just a wrinkle if I read that correctly.

Yeah - it looks like variants on the old Wing-T and Single Wing formations
11-22-2025, 04:02 PM
PGHBulldogBG

I don?t think Odom has won a big 10 game this year @ Purdue. They have an easier schedule too. Would have been the same results with that hire as with Lebby if not worse. He is a good DC and coach at place like UNLV but I don?t see him being a good P4 coach
11-22-2025, 04:05 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

I don?t think Odom has won a big 10 game this year @ Purdue. They have an easier schedule too. Would have been the same results with that hire as with Lebby if not worse. He is a good DC and coach at place like UNLV but I don?t see him being a good P4 coach

This could be an argument for Marion, who was odom's OC last year at unlv
11-22-2025, 04:18 PM
PGHBulldogBG

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Originally Posted by msstate7

This could be an argument for Marion, who was odom's OC last year at unlv

Gotcha. I didn?t know who Marion was but just looked him up. Seems like he could be a good coach and seems like a good OC
11-22-2025, 04:22 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Yeah - it looks like variants on the old Wing-T and Single Wing formations

Not far from it for sure. If they had a little dirty slot like we see some again now it’s not too far from an RPO out of the notre dame box.
11-23-2025, 08:50 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by msstate7

As teams are getting lighter and lighter on defense to deal with spread offenses, Utah and byu are playing power football. Both are ranked teams.

I have no idea if this would work in the sec, but I think we have to try to figure out how to stay ahead of the curve. Trying to do what other teams with better funding do isn't really a path to success. So whether it's power football or something else, we have to try and find a way to neutralize our disadvantages.

Let's just hope Lebby doesn't fail, and this ain't an issue.

I think the inability to allocate the necessary players will be the biggest reason Lebby won't make it. I havent seen anything to believe we can do this as a program. Making matters worse is 4 SEC teams with new coaches are going to clean out the portal leaving us with dry crumbs.
11-24-2025, 12:54 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

I think the inability to allocate the necessary players will be the biggest reason Lebby won't make it. I havent seen anything to believe we can do this as a program. Making matters worse is 4 SEC teams with new coaches are going to clean out the portal leaving us with dry crumbs.

I think if we tried it the odds are it would work about as well as anything else we tried.

The whole premise is this would work because we are "bigger" than our opponents but in the SEC the issue is the players are both big and fast. The only logical way to counter it is to be big and fast ourselves.
11-24-2025, 08:18 AM
Maroonthirteen

BYU and Tech play in the Big12. Maybe State should try that.
11-24-2025, 09:25 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

BYU and Tech play in the Big12. Maybe State should try that.

BINGO.
11-24-2025, 09:29 AM
msstate7

We literally brought an OC to be our HC from the big 12
11-24-2025, 09:30 AM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

BINGO.

I honestly think that we would be a 7 or 8 win team in the big 12 right now.
11-24-2025, 09:35 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

I honestly think that we would be a 7 or 8 win team in the big 12 right now.

Well let's just take a random schedule, say TCU's schedule. We'll keep our non con the same and sub UNC for ASU since ASU is in the Big 12. They also have 9 conference games so I'm taking out Northern Illinois

@USM-W
UNC-W
Alcorn-W
@Arizona St-I think we lose this in Tempe. So L
Colorado-W
@Kansas St-L
Baylor-W
@West Virginia-W
Iowa St-W
@BYU-L
@Houston-L

So yes, I believe we'd probably be a 7-8 win team in that league. And I'm giving us a couple of L's where I think we'd get a win.
11-24-2025, 09:41 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Well let's just take a random schedule, say TCU's schedule. We'll keep our non con the same and sub UNC for ASU since ASU is in the Big 12. They also have 9 conference games so I'm taking out Northern Illinois

@USM-W
UNC-W
Alcorn-W
@Arizona St-I think we lose this in Tempe. So L
Colorado-W
@Kansas St-L
Baylor-W
@West Virginia-W
Iowa St-W
@BYU-L
@Houston-L

So yes, I believe we'd probably be a 7-8 win team in that league. And I'm giving us a couple of L's where I think we'd get a win.

The discussion was what Utah and byu are doing. I don't think they're much more talented than us, but Utah beat asu 42-10. BYU doesn't have a common opponent
11-24-2025, 09:44 AM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Well let's just take a random schedule, say TCU's schedule. We'll keep our non con the same and sub UNC for ASU since ASU is in the Big 12. They also have 9 conference games so I'm taking out Northern Illinois

@USM-W
UNC-W
Alcorn-W
@Arizona St-I think we lose this in Tempe. So L
Colorado-W
@Kansas St-L
Baylor-W
@West Virginia-W
Iowa St-W
@BYU-L
@Houston-L

So yes, I believe we'd probably be a 7-8 win team in that league. And I'm giving us a couple of L's where I think we'd get a win.

That's perfectly reasonable. It's just not nearly as much of a line of scrimmage league as the SEC.

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