What does a good team cost?

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

No that is a lame argument. Give me an NFL team and Micky Mouse can coach us to wins. Did you watch us play UT, Tex etc? We had talent to compete and win. It was 38-21 in 4th quarter with TX. We didn't lose that game due to talent. Tenn scored two D TDs. Our no talent D stuck Tenn worse than anyone all year.

It takes players and coaches to win. More money is what many think solves all problems in todays world, well it don't. You do have to have money but it ain't as simple as spend more and win. TAMU spent more than anyone and didn't win until they got good coaching to go with it. One could argue TAMU is less talented than previous years yet the win this year.

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You are completely wrong and stuck in early 2000s NCAAs. No reason to argue back and forth, I won't change your mind. We have a 4-6 win roster talent wise. Guess where we are

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

You are completely wrong and stuck in early 2000s NCAAs. No reason to argue back and forth, I won't change your mind. We have a 4-6 win roster talent wise. Guess where we are

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Agree to disagree but one FG make each game and we have 3 more wins. By your logic we are now a talented team. So just pay 1 mill to a kicker and we got 3 more wins. No difference in the rest of the players but 3 more wins means all the rest are all of a sudden more talented.

Just really flawed logic. Watch those games, we matched and exceeded the other teams talent all game till the last plays; that says talent is pretty even. Use that logic then we are way more talented than ASU who we beat who is ranked top 25.

Coaching does win and lose games and is fact. So many examples all over the place.

I understand MSU fans getting jaded in thinking but this is all just common sense.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

A good team here would probably take $30 million for 2026.

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This. We have to overpay to get them to Starkville and it has to be significant

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Look at the money Texas spends and their return on their investment. Not very good. Got to have the right coach make good evaluations and puts the right persons on the field. Lane Kiffen says hello. I mean Trinidad who would've taken a chance on him and then stuck with him when your high prized up and comer got well/.

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That is because Texas paid 7 million for a Dll QB and Ole Miss got Heisman candidate off the clearance rack

Average NIL price tag for a Power 4 starter at each position-

QB 2mil
RB 300k-500k
OT- 700k-1mil
OG- 500k-700k
C- 400k-600k

WR1- 400k-700k+ (WR biggest variance)
WR2- 300k-400k

DE- 700k-1mil
DT- 500k-700k
LB- 400k-600k
CB- 400k-700k
S- 300k-500k

That is just the average starter. Of course there is gonna be bonafide stars that make way more. A starting QB is going to be at least 2 million.

We likely paid around 8-10 million for our starting 22 and 7-8 million on rest of roster/depth.

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

Average NIL price tag for a Power 4 starter at each position-

QB 2mil
RB 300k-500k
OT- 700k-1mil
OG- 500k-700k
C- 400k-600k

WR1- 400k-700k+ (WR biggest variance)
WR2- 300k-400k

DE- 700k-1mil
DT- 500k-700k
LB- 400k-600k
CB- 400k-700k
S- 300k-500k

That is just the average starter. Of course there is gonna be bonafide stars that make way more. A starting QB is going to be at least 2 million.

We likely paid around 8-10 million for our starting 22 and 7-8 million on rest of roster/depth.

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We paid 600k for our QB. Can?t imagine we have a single DL/DE making 700k. And people want to argue with me in here it is a coaching issue. Yeah. Ok.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Agree to disagree but one FG make each game and we have 3 more wins. By your logic we are now a talented team. So just pay 1 mill to a kicker and we got 3 more wins. No difference in the rest of the players but 3 more wins means all the rest are all of a sudden more talented.

Just really flawed logic. Watch those games, we matched and exceeded the other teams talent all game till the last plays; that says talent is pretty even. Use that logic then we are way more talented than ASU who we beat who is ranked top 25.

Coaching does win and lose games and is fact. So many examples all over the place.

I understand MSU fans getting jaded in thinking but this is all just common sense.

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Your argument doesn't make any sense in the context of the point I'm trying to make so don't apply that to what I am saying and say I have flawed logic. I don't think you are following my point. Has anyone considered in those 3 close losses we actually were close to winning because of coaching and we are OVER achieving? Have you considered we "matched and exceeded" the other teams talent not because we had better players, but because we out coached them and put our players in a position to succeed? I just think it's an insane point by our fans to say back in July we look at this roster and say "4-5 wins would be a great year by our coaching staff", but then have revisionist history in Nov and say "we have 5 wins but were really close in 3 other losses therefore the coaching is bad and suddenly it's the roster that is fine." Makes no sense.

I can promise you we spent less on offense than every team behind us on this list but 1
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...team/_/group/8

A GOOD team costs about $20 mil. With good coaching that’ll get you to about 7-9 wins.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

We paid 600k for our QB. Can?t imagine we have a single DL/DE making 700k. And people want to argue with me in here it is a coaching issue. Yeah. Ok.

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Both things can be true. It is absolutely possible to not spend enough and have some coaching issues.

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Both things can be true. It is absolutely possible to not spend enough and have some coaching issues.

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We do have coaching issues. Lebby is learning as a first time HC, our DL coach is washed, our DC is questionable. I just don't believe that is the main issue, overall coaching is good. Roster talent is not there for SEC.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

This. Winning and losing is decided in the trenches

Can you run the ball when you need to?
Can you pass protect?
Can you slow down the run?
Can you pressure the other QB to help your Secondary?

The answers to those questions right there tell you how good your team is

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The answer to all 4 of those is no, lol
Wonder we have 5 wins.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

What? No. State spent what they spent on a 5-7 team if they lose to Ole Miss. There is no should have. To play that mind game, you have to say State also should have been 3-9 losing also to ASU and Arkansas.

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Correct. We've played 5 games decided at the buzzer. We are 2-3 in those.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Agree to disagree but one FG make each game and we have 3 more wins. By your logic we are now a talented team. So just pay 1 mill to a kicker and we got 3 more wins. No difference in the rest of the players but 3 more wins means all the rest are all of a sudden more talented.

Just really flawed logic. Watch those games, we matched and exceeded the other teams talent all game till the last plays; that says talent is pretty even. Use that logic then we are way more talented than ASU who we beat who is ranked top 25.

Coaching does win and lose games and is fact. So many examples all over the place.

I understand MSU fans getting jaded in thinking but this is all just common sense.

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"That says talent is pretty even"

Ok. And in those games we are 2-3. You seem to be arguing that we should win every game where talent is "pretty even."

But no, we are not as talented as TN, FLA, or Texas. The nfl draft will make that clear.

I swear this board is full of dumbasses. You don?t need 30 million to get a decent team you need a good head coach that can develop players and have a decent offensive and defensive coordinator. We could have been 8-3 with a shitty team if our head coach played the right QB and didn?t make stupid play calls at critical times. Some of you need to quit overthinking the process and get a life.

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Originally Posted by 99jc

I swear this board is full of dumbasses. You don?t need 30 million to get a decent team you need a good head coach that can develop players and have a decent offensive and defensive coordinator. We could have been 8-3 with a shitty team if our head coach played the right QB and didn?t make stupid play calls at critical times. Some of you need to quit overthinking the process and get a life.

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How much developing do you think a coach can do in 10 months? You do not get it.

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Originally Posted by 99jc

I swear this board is full of dumbasses. You don?t need 30 million to get a decent team you need a good head coach that can develop players and have a decent offensive and defensive coordinator. We could have been 8-3 with a shitty team if our head coach played the right QB and didn?t make stupid play calls at critical times. Some of you need to quit overthinking the process and get a life.

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Yep ole Sark is a great return on the Horns investment.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

We paid 600k for our QB. Can?t imagine we have a single DL/DE making 700k. And people want to argue with me in here it is a coaching issue. Yeah. Ok.

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I would be very surprised if Shapen is only getting 600k. If that is the case that our QB is only getting 600k at an SEC school then no wonder we got stuck with Shapen. Lebby has done an amazing job then.

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Originally Posted by 99jc

You don?t need 30 million to get a decent team you need a good head coach that can develop players and have a decent offensive and defensive coordinator.

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10 years ago, you'd be absolutely correct.

Today? Couldn't be more wrong.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

10 years ago, you'd be absolutely correct.

Today? Couldn't be more wrong.

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Our fans are always 10 years behind. Our administration usually is too, but Selmon seems to get it and is changing this. Hopefully the rest of us catch up.

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

I would be very surprised if Shapen is only getting 600k. If that is the case that our QB is only getting 600k at an SEC school then no wonder we got stuck with Shapen. Lebby has done an amazing job then.

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I am not in the know but that is the number I've heard. Even if it's 800k we are bargain bin shopping. Lebby has done an amazing job, 2-10 to 5-6 is a great jump.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Our fans are always 10 years behind. Our administration usually is too, but Selmon seems to get it and is changing this. Hopefully the rest of us catch up.

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This is the truth.

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

Average NIL price tag for a Power 4 starter at each position-

QB 2mil
RB 300k-500k
OT- 700k-1mil
OG- 500k-700k
C- 400k-600k

WR1- 400k-700k+ (WR biggest variance)
WR2- 300k-400k

DE- 700k-1mil
DT- 500k-700k
LB- 400k-600k
CB- 400k-700k
S- 300k-500k

That is just the average starter. Of course there is gonna be bonafide stars that make way more. A starting QB is going to be at least 2 million.

We likely paid around 8-10 million for our starting 22 and 7-8 million on rest of roster/depth.

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If my math is right we need to be at about 17 million just for our starters. I went high end on most everything and actually made QB 2.5 and added in another running back and two more WR's.