Black Friday Can Be Lebby's 09 Egg Bowl Moment

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Originally Posted by parabrave

go listen to Borkys Sports Talk Miss OM section and it sounds like there is about to be an implosion over there/

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Why are me and you always up at this time of the night. Two old dudes. Lol

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Why are me and you always up at this time of the night. Two old dudes. Lol

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Yep. I take care of my 98 year old mother so I'm up at all hours. But they're going off on LK worse than we ever did with Mullen

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Yep. I take care of my 98 year old mother so I'm up at all hours. But they're going off on LK worse than we ever did with Mullen

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You know, when Dan was looking around it never was quite as completely obvious.

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Yep. I take care of my 98 year old mother so I'm up at all hours. But they're going off on LK worse than we ever did with Mullen

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My wife is a nurse and works some night shifts. So when I'm not working, my schedule is all jacked up!!!
I've been seen cutting with my saws and blowing off the driveway at 3:00 am.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You know, when Dan was looking around it never was quite as completely obvious.

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True

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You know, when Dan was looking around it never was quite as completely obvious.

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Megan and the kids were not getting off a private jet in Miami.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Lebby has proven over and over he does not have the ability to learn on the job. Shapen will start, O will stall. and D will quit again if they ever start.

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Well, yeah probably. Here is the thing I hope everyone can remember...... our OL and DL are the real issues.

Our DL is 100% a non-factor. They might as well put 3 kickers out there to play on the DL. They get zero pressure. They make zero tackles. They actually get pushed backwards into the linebackers and make them less effective. Hence why our safeties have to make literally every single tackle on a running back. Just like last year.

And I don't care if you have Jesus H Christ back there running the offense. If the OL cannot block consistently, there is no offense you can run that will be successful. The passing game evaporates because on every single snap, there are 2 different OL that just completely whiffs on a block. They must be blind because they never see a blitzer and they never see a stunt. So you cannot comfortably sit back there and throw the ball. And they really suck at run blocking. They have the opposite of a mean streak. Its almost like, in peewee football the linemen not understanding the strategy of the game. Its almost like they don't understand that all they have to do is time up some blocks to create a small hole for our running backs to cut through. Hard to do when the defense knows they get all the pressure they need with 3 or 4 rushers and they can all sit back on routes all day long.

Stop with this QB crap, or running back crap. It's the OL and DL. End of story.

Edited to add..... We need to put Evans or Guyton back there to return kickoffs and stop being a ***** about it. We need hidden yards.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Well, yeah probably. Here is the thing I hope everyone can remember...... our OL and DL are the real issues.

Our DL is 100% a non-factor. They might as well put 3 kickers out there to play on the DL. They get zero pressure. They make zero tackles. They actually get pushed backwards into the linebackers and make them less effective. Hence why our safeties have to make literally every single tackle on a running back. Just like last year.

And I don't care if you have Jesus H Christ back there running the offense. If the OL cannot block consistently, there is no offense you can run that will be successful. The passing game evaporates because on every single snap, there are 2 different OL that just completely whiffs on a block. They must be blind because they never see a blitzer and they never see a stunt. So you cannot comfortably sit back there and throw the ball. And they really suck at run blocking. They have the opposite of a mean streak. Its almost like, in peewee football the linemen not understanding the strategy of the game. Its almost like they don't understand that all they have to do is time up some blocks to create a small hole for our running backs to cut through. Hard to do when the defense knows they get all the pressure they need with 3 or 4 rushers and they can all sit back on routes all day long.

Stop with this QB crap, or running back crap. It's the OL and DL. End of story.

Edited to add..... We need to put Evans or Guyton back there to return kickoffs and stop being a ***** about it. We need hidden yards.

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Word!! Also and this is for the "posters in the Know" does MSU have any Corporate Sponsors and I mean ones that put real money into the program? Listening to Borky last night/morning and he was talking about partnerships OM has with Real Tree and now AFLAC. Does MSU partner with anybody?

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Well, yeah probably. Here is the thing I hope everyone can remember...... our OL and DL are the real issues.

Our DL is 100% a non-factor. They might as well put 3 kickers out there to play on the DL. They get zero pressure. They make zero tackles. They actually get pushed backwards into the linebackers and make them less effective. Hence why our safeties have to make literally every single tackle on a running back. Just like last year.

And I don't care if you have Jesus H Christ back there running the offense. If the OL cannot block consistently, there is no offense you can run that will be successful. The passing game evaporates because on every single snap, there are 2 different OL that just completely whiffs on a block. They must be blind because they never see a blitzer and they never see a stunt. So you cannot comfortably sit back there and throw the ball. And they really suck at run blocking. They have the opposite of a mean streak. Its almost like, in peewee football the linemen not understanding the strategy of the game. Its almost like they don't understand that all they have to do is time up some blocks to create a small hole for our running backs to cut through. Hard to do when the defense knows they get all the pressure they need with 3 or 4 rushers and they can all sit back on routes all day long.

Stop with this QB crap, or running back crap. It's the OL and DL. End of story.

Edited to add..... We need to put Evans or Guyton back there to return kickoffs and stop being a ***** about it. We need hidden yards.

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Many things can be true at once. OL not been great all year but D has been good till last two games - they have quit. We were running the ball good till OL and RB injuries. Shapen was OK early in year but gotten worse - yes some is tied to OL but KT has played behind that same line and produced. They can't pin their ears back with him in there. Coaching has lost us 3 games period.

My post you responded to said nothing about above, you brought all that up.

We had #1 D in 18 and lost 5 games so was OL worst in football history? No, all parts of the team contribute to winning. I have always said though control the LOS and you'll win most of time but you can't be inept in all other areas either.

I would be absolutely shocked if Shapen doesnt start.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I would be absolutely shocked if Shapen doesnt start.

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I heard Sunday night and a lot of Monday that the self scout was not kind to the offensive staff. Said Lebby was there pretty late Sunday night and they are trying to formulate something for Kamario as to not just let Golding tee off and dare Kamario to throw it deep every play. I think that is the concern for the staff. Can Kamario hit 2-3 of those deep throws early to back OM off and open up the quick game and the run game.

Lebby has about as much chance of a 2009 Battle for the Golden Egg moment as I do of dating Sydney Sweeney. I watched that 09 team and this team. Let me tell you, it was obvious how well coached that team was. We were Tyson Lee not pitching to Dixon and the refs taking the Houston game from us from being 6-5 going into that game.

No head scratching coaching decisions cost us games. It was purely lack of talent at QB and depth in general. When Mullen won in 09, while a surprise, it wasn't a fluke. We thought we had a chance.

Hope like hell I'm wrong and Lebby pulls off the upset. I'd take my crow deep fried and enjoy every bite of it. Of all years, beating that lot would be especially sweet this year. But I don't see it. We're not well coached. A blind man can see it.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Lebby has about as much chance of a 2009 Battle for the Golden Egg moment as I do of dating Sydney Sweeney. I watched that 09 team and this team. Let me tell you, it was obvious how well coached that team was. We were Tyson Lee not pitching to Dixon and the refs taking the Houston game from us from being 6-5 going into that game.

No head scratching coaching decisions cost us games. It was purely lack of talent at QB and depth in general. When Mullen won in 09, while a surprise, it wasn't a fluke. We thought we had a chance.

Hope like hell I'm wrong and Lebby pulls off the upset. I'd take my crow deep fried and enjoy every bite of it. Of all years, beating that lot would be especially sweet this year. But I don't see it. We're not well coached. A blind man can see it.

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Are you serious? Dan not handing off to AD on the goal line against LSU was every bit as questionable as anything Lebby has done. And as far as the refs and Houston- maybe they don't screw us if Dan calls timeout and asks for a replay.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Are you serious? Dan not handing off to AD on the goal line against LSU was every bit as questionable as anything Lebby has done. And as far as the refs and Houston- maybe they don't screw us if Dan calls timeout and asks for a replay.

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That goal line sequence still haunts me to this day! Pure heartbreak. The one of infinite so far.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Are you serious? Dan not handing off to AD on the goal line against LSU was every bit as questionable as anything Lebby has done. And as far as the refs and Houston- maybe they don't screw us if Dan calls timeout and asks for a replay.

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Dan handed it off to Dixon on 1st down and 2nd down. On 3rd down, he called the jump pass and the WR was wide open, but Lee didn't get the ball to him. On 4th down, it was an option and again the TD was there if Lee had pitched it to Dixon.

I have no qualms about how Mullen called that series.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Are you serious? Dan not handing off to AD on the goal line against LSU was every bit as questionable as anything Lebby has done. And as far as the refs and Houston- maybe they don't screw us if Dan calls timeout and asks for a replay.

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Hand the ball to Anthony Dixon 4 times in a row if needed and we would have run. That was horrible play calling. One of the many reasons I've always said Malzahn is a much better play caller than Dan.

I just think if you are waiting on Lebby to change you are going to be waiting a while

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

That goal line sequence still haunts me to this day! Pure heartbreak. The one of infinite so far.

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Thanks to the pause and rewind button, I was behind and not watching live. I had a friend text me and congratulated me on beating LSU. So imagine going through that agonizing series “thinking” we scored when we actually didn’t! Later when I asked him about the text he said he just assumed that we would score from the 1 yard line.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Dan handed it off to Dixon on 1st down and 2nd down. On 3rd down, he called the jump pass and the WR was wide open, but Lee didn't get the ball to him. On 4th down, it was an option and again the TD was there if Lee had pitched it to Dixon.

I have no qualms about how Mullen called that series.

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Hard for for Lee, a 5'9", at best, QB, to see over a SEC DL and this is right down there with our 6'2" (?), QB throwing a possible game changing interception to a 6'5" 320 lb NG that he said after the game that he didn't see drop back in coverage for FL. Lebby will never be as successful as Dan in his career at State and yes, the game has changed. Upset OM!

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I just think if you are waiting on Lebby to change you are going to be waiting a while

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Lebby needs a mentor or consultant or someone to get him to change approach and change fast. He has an opportunity in egg bowl, that he may not get again. Its now or never.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Hard for for Lee, a 5'9", at best, QB, to see over a SEC DL and this is right down there with our 6'2" (?), QB throwing a possible game changing interception to a 6'5" 320 lb NG that he said after the game that he didn't see drop back in coverage for FL. Lebby will never be as successful as Dan in his career at State and yes, the game has changed. Upset OM!

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Yep, Relf and Dixion there and we win that one. Even though we lost games that year, we finished strong and improved and gave hope for future. However the outcome Friday game, we need some hope for future - like KT showing out and team rallying around him. A win would do it too but we got to show something better than the last two weeks.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Thanks to the pause and rewind button, I was behind and not watching live. I had a friend text me and congratulated me on beating LSU. So imagine going through that agonizing series ?thinking? we scored when we actually didn?t! Later when I asked him about the text he said he just assumed that we would score from the 1 yard line.

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Mannnnn that had to be agonizing! Lol.. just waiting for the go ahead TD that never came! Tragic but funny story!

FWIW... Lebby said Shapen would be the starter in the Egg Bowl if Shapen is 100%.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

FWIW... Lebby said Shapen would be the starter in the Egg Bowl if Shapen is 100%.

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That if he's 100% thing is why I think we end up seeing Kamario. He keeps mentioning that and now he'll have 13 days to get Kamario ready. It's also a bit of gamesmanship. He makes OM prepare for both.

Now am I going to sit here today and say that Shapen doesn't "ceremonially" take the first snap or even play the first series? No. But I think Lebby unleashes everything at Kiffin and Golding in 9 days. And unleashing everything in the clip involves having Kamario involved. OM has trouble with mobile QBs, see Taylen Green and DJ Lagway. Kamario is who gives us the best chance Saturday. He's shown enough at this point to show he can hold up. It's time. I don't know that he's completely ready. But Chris Relf wasn't completely ready 16 years ago either.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

That if he's 100% thing is why I think we end up seeing Kamario. He keeps mentioning that and now he'll have 13 days to get Kamario ready. It's also a bit of gamesmanship. He makes OM prepare for both.

Now am I going to sit here today and say that Shapen doesn't "ceremonially" take the first snap or even play the first series? No. But I think Lebby unleashes everything at Kiffin and Golding in 9 days. And unleashing everything in the clip involves having Kamario involved. OM has trouble with mobile QBs, see Taylen Green and DJ Lagway. Kamario is who gives us the best chance Saturday. He's shown enough at this point to show he can hold up. It's time. I don't know that he's completely ready. But Chris Relf wasn't completely ready 16 years ago either.

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I dont know if he is completely ready either but I dont think it matters at this point. I think he needs to play a considerable amount of the snaps. Like you said.. Even if Shapen starts, KT needs to be involved. And not just red zone situations. Simply for the fact that I think Shapens confidence is shot. Plus as you mentioned, OM does have trouble with dual threat guys.

I was wondering about the 100% thing. I didn't think Shapen was injured. I figured it was a gamesmanship thing like you said or just saying coach speak to keep Shapen involved and try and build some confidence up.

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Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses

Mannnnn that had to be agonizing! Lol.. just waiting for the go ahead TD that never came! Tragic but funny story!

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Absolutely brutal... and on 4th down, I've already told the family and friends watching it with me that we had scored. So when we didn't, the loss was 10 fold as painful.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Lebby needs a mentor or consultant or someone to get him to change approach and change fast. He has an opportunity in egg bowl, that he may not get again. Its now or never.

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If only he had a family member with a proven track record of successful P4 teams.

I think Lebby will be fine and probably gets some advice from the in law. If Steve is right and we are actually game planning KT we have a shot.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Dan handed it off to Dixon on 1st down and 2nd down. On 3rd down, he called the jump pass and the WR was wide open, but Lee didn't get the ball to him. On 4th down, it was an option and again the TD was there if Lee had pitched it to Dixon.

I have no qualms about how Mullen called that series.

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Bingo. The only thing that went wrong that series was not pitching to AD on the option. Now should Dan have told Lee to pitch it to AD unless Lee saw he'd walk in untouched? Probably. But coaching didn't cost us that game.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Bingo. The only thing that went wrong that series was not pitching to AD on the option. Now should Dan have told Lee to pitch it to AD unless Lee saw he'd walk in untouched? Probably. But coaching didn't cost us that game.

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In defense of Tyson Lee- Chad Jones made a hellacious defensive play to keep us from scoring. It was a great call by Mullen. As was his call on 4th down. If you watch the replay- Tyson saw some daylight and tried to get in it to score and unfortunately he didnt. But yeah- pitch it and we win the game. Losses like that are so tough to take.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

In defense of Tyson Lee- Chad Jones made a hellacious defensive play to keep us from scoring. It was a great call by Mullen. As was his call on 4th down. If you watch the replay- Tyson saw some daylight and tried to get in it to score and unfortunately he didnt. But yeah- pitch it and we win the game. Losses like that are so tough to take.

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I have defended that call for years, only an incredible play by a great player saved them....it was a great call. If you have seen as many DOG losses as I have by going conservative and running up the middle where there was no opening (especially in big games), it would make you sick.....

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Originally Posted by Coach34

In defense of Tyson Lee- Chad Jones made a hellacious defensive play to keep us from scoring. It was a great call by Mullen. As was his call on 4th down. If you watch the replay- Tyson saw some daylight and tried to get in it to score and unfortunately he didnt. But yeah- pitch it and we win the game. Losses like that are so tough to take.

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I think we're all agreeing/saying basically the same thing. Regardless, my point that Mullen winning the 09 Battle for the Golden Egg wasn't some fluke that no one saw coming. That's exactly what Lebby winning in two weeks would be.