So we all agree that Huff is a pretty good coach who would be an improvement over what we have, but might leave us like Mullen did if he wins here and gets a bigger job offer. I'll take that.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
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So we all agree that Huff is a pretty good coach who would be an improvement over what we have, but might leave us like Mullen did if he wins here and gets a bigger job offer. I'll take that.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Huff left bc they didn't give him what he wanted in either money or buy out. He left, and the players thought so much of him, they went with him. If I don't get what I want from my employer, I'd go too.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Malzahn would do great here.
I thought this was a thread about Malzahn. Damn yall!!!
I thought Gus's O was washed up.
Also his offense is old and out of date. And we gotta stop getting these offenses that are predicated of having an elite specific position.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Anybody wanting Malzahn is an idiot. He was fired from Auburn who has significant more resources than we do. He was going to get fired at UCF but bowed out to take the FSU OC job. It?s a mediocre offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
Some people get names in their head once upon a time and they never let them go. Gus Malzahn would've been a great hire about 10 years ago. He would not be today. Everyone has caught up to that offense. It's not a novelty anymore. It's not an exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
We had people wanting to hire Mark Stoops in 2017 and 2020. He would've been a great hire in 17 and would've been ok in 20. We'd have a revolt if we hired Mark Stoops tomorrow but there will be people that bring up his name.
No we don't all agree....Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
No kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I'm with you. I think that's a very meh high risk hire. I haven't seen enough from him to make me think he'd be a good hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Huff may or may not be good, but he has done a better job at Usm than Lebby has here. The turnaround at Usm is impressive.
He brought the best players from his team that won THE SAME CONFERENCE THEY ARE IN NOW to USM with him. I would be concerned if he did not do better than Lebby. But hell, we played bad and beat them by 17, and it could have been worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Now does that mean Huff is bad coach, no. I think he is a fine coach. I do not think he is great and I do not think he is terrible. He is in the perfect spot for him. I do not think he would do well at the P4 level.
I'd like to add that I do agree with you on one thing regarding Huff. I don't care that he's beating sunbelt teams ( or whatever conference they are in).Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It's apples to apples. He has the same talent that those teams have. If he wins in the SEC, he would have SEC players playing against other SEC players.
It's like saying Chris Peterson did great at Boise, but he didn't play anyone. Well he did great at Washington too. He would have done great at Bama.
I've never understood that argument.
But still, I'm not interested in Huff at all. I haven't seen enough.
Yes. I'm not saying we should hire Huff but I agree with what you're saying. Huff has turned USM around in year 1. Altho he did bring his previous team with him but that's what the portal can do for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
As I said earlier in this thread, the fact the players followed him says a lot about Huff. Also, as I said earlier in this thread, he would be like 5th or so on my list. I just totally reject he's garbage; nothing supports this.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I don't think Lebby is gonna be fired, so I haven't really dug into candidates. If I were in charge though, this is what I would look for...
1. HC experience. Don't care what level, but actual experience running a program.
2. A guy that isn't at a normal winner, but had success at a place most fail.
3. Innovative offense.
These are the 3 things I wanna look for in that order.
Haha, same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
That's not bad criteria. I think number 2 is probably where you're going to run into issues because you are taking a chance on someone that may have just caught lightning in a bottle somewhere, ala Turner Gill at Buffalo, Jamey Chadwell at Coastal, or Scott Frost at UCF. But I think WERE WE TO BE LOOKING, and like you said we are not, I think that's pretty good criteria. I would be interested what you would consider innovative offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I really don't know. Just something that most people aren't doing. I hated leach's offense, but he checked all 3 of my boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Now I will say that when we do have another national coaching search, whether it is next year or years down the road, we have to stop hiring up and coming offensive coordinators who do not have any HC experience. I would much rather have a G5 HC than a coordinator with 0 experience
Jake dickert would be my first interview even though he's a defensive guy. He's won at wash state and now WF.
How about a coach who can actually successfully implement his offense be it the Wing T or Veer and win with it. JOMO and Leb are running the innovative RPO meanwhile Leach ran his 30 year old Air Raid and looking back he was successful. Mullen was successful running his offense, Hey Coaching and player evaluation are 80% of winning program.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That is why Napier has done so well at Florida?Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Drinkwitz came from sun beltQuote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
Lane came form conf USA
There's always one......Quote:
Originally Posted by 1bigdawg
Lane is your example? He also was the head coach at UT, USC and the Oakland Raiders. Haha! This board man.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
His new nickname is Sunbelt Ms7.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
HA! Well done, I needed that today. Have a little rep today.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Well done!Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Fired from 2/3. And Eli?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Saban coached in Mac
Urban coached in Mac
Debeor div II and mtn west
Freeze sunbelt
Cignetti sunbelt
I could come up with more if your simple mind can't comprehend a good coach can come from a small conference. Shall I?
Delete
Oh, and the thread title is another sun belt guy, who was successful
7... I agree with you. I think Huff has done a great job his first year at USM. I definitely think you can find a HC from the smaller schools that can be successful in the P4. As you said, they would need experience and of course a proven track record. It's a bigger risk but so is hiring coordinators to be a HC.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I didn't think it was a hot take... seemed common sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses
It wasn’t a hot take, you’re good. Your boy DM was just a lowly ole OC and he was the best in our illustrious history.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So pay him 4 million to be our offensive coordinator.
Pay me 4 million and I promise to never run 7 qb runs up the middle in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by archdog
You mean to tell me you wouldn't run the QB draw, QB rpo, QB power, or QB zone split 7 times in a row inside the 2?? You're definitely not getting hired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
Here are all the Sun Belt coaches who have gone on to bigger jobs in the last 15 years, in a rough approximate order from good to bad. Note that they are mostly pretty good:
1 Curt Cignetti James Madison, 2019-2023
Done an incredible job at Indiana
2 Willie Fritz Georgia Southern, 2014-2015
Eventually won big at Tulane, including a top 10 finish, and how has Houston up and running
3 Jon Sumrall Troy, 2022-2023
Two solid seasons at Tulane.
4 Gus Malzahn Arkansas State, 2012
Solid run at Auburn, finished ranked 5 times in 8 years including a #2. Mixed at UCF, but was overseeing a transition from G5 to P5.
5 Eli Drinkwitz Appalachian State, 2019
3 so-so years at Missouri and then started winning big
6 Hugh Freeze Arkansas State, 2011
Good run at Ole Miss aided by cheating, bad run at Auburn
7 Scott Satterfield Appalachian State, 2013-2018
Was OK at Louisville but has Cincinnati rolling this year.
8 Jamey Chadwell Coastal Carolina, 2017, 2019-2022
Not great in 2025, but still a solid 3-year run at Liberty so far
9 Blake Anderson Arkansas State, 2014-2020
3 solid years at Utah State and then got fired after some kind of Title IX violation, which does not appear to be his own misconduct
10 Bryan Harsin Arkansas State, 2013
Good run at Boise State, but flamed out hard at Auburn
11 Neal Brown Troy, 2015-2018
Eventually got fired at West Virginia, but wasn't really that bad: 25-28 in the conference and 1 top 25 finish.
12 Willie Taggart Western Kentucky, 2010-2012
Slow start at South Florida but eventually had a good season there, OK at Oregon, fired by Florida State and then Florida Atlantic
13 Billy Napier Louisiana, 2018-2021
Failed at Florida
Gonna hurt some feelingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking