This post really reads like ChatGPT gobbledygook. Do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
This post really reads like ChatGPT gobbledygook. Do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Im sure you were telling everyone around you how bad of a play caller he is when we were leading either UT gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I mean, yeah, he seemed like he was proving me wrong for a little while in both games, and then choked them both away. I really wish he had gotten it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
You know he lost both, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Thats my point. Hes working with nothing and we expect the wins to come before the talent. Makes no senseQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We’ll do it with the next coach too. He wont get a budget, lose and we’ll argue on this board again. Rinse repeat
We have to many that are waiting to believe. Thing is, believing is easy knowing is hard. That?s the issue. They have people who bought in because they know it is the best thing to do for the university. We never have understood that fact. We wait to believe as they know what to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
Truth sux doesn?t it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
3 years of demoralizing results with no sign of things getting better. Why waste 4 hours of my day off to watch us get embarrassed by our rivals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
I appreciate your optimism but Lebby has brought this on himself.
We are reactive and they are proactive. Everything from the AD down to the $5 fan. They are also in lockstep with messaging. We are not. We have too many of the $5 fans that think their opinion matters. They understand that you have to pay to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Amen to that. Is and always has been the biggest difference between us.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Elitedawgs should start charging a monthly straight into our NIL so we can confirm the arm chair cowboys are at least putting money where their mouth isQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Scooba floated that idea……it did not go over well to say the least. I for one love the idea though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Buying in doesn?t equal success. It makes it easier but there?s plenty of schools spending big money that are trash. A&M pre elko, LSU, Auburn to name a few. You still have to have the right guy to maximize those dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Kiffin proved he could be successful and the money started rolling in. He?s in year 6 and the checkbooks really opened up in year 4. Had Lebby beat UT, UF, and UT he?d have checks coming in too
Fair point but we dont know how it works here until we do it. And being out on Lebby before we try is asking for a rerun with a different name next go aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
The money started rolling in for Lane July 1,2021. That was the first day NIL became a thing. They had been preparing for months. Our AD was busy plotting how the baseball team could make money off signed baseballs. Again, reactive and not proactive.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
We have never gone all in on football. If we ever did, we would be surprised with the results. We could throw 18-22 million together each year for a roster if we would go all in. Unfortunately we will never do it.
We've now had 2 seasons where Lebby has won fewer games than an "average coach" would have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
This year, the boosters gave him a roster that could easily have 7 or 8 wins right now, maybe 9 with a good coach, and Lebby gave them 5-6. Who's going to give him even more money next year?
I mean, if we knew that the talent was going to improve next year, even I would be willing to give him 1 more chance just to make sure, but all signs point to him having less talent, less fan support, less attendance, less enthusiasm, and ultimately less success and less employment at MSU.
It's over for Lebby. We won't fire him until after the '26 egg bowl, but he's doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
$$$ make the right guy a much easier target. $$$ make talent acquisition much easier. You are right it takes the right guy. But our situation is not theirs. Neither is the confederates. But they were proactive when they hired Kiffin and have not hesitated to give him and the program everything needed for success. We on the other hand are reactionary. We could have the perfect guy and our lack of support puts them in a lose, lose situation. Until we figure this out our football situation will continue to be as is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
No wonder Lenny takes no blame in his pressers... why should he? We don't hold him responsible for anything... it's all out fault
Our NIL funders gave Lebby a roster than could have 7, 8, or maybe even 9 wins right now, and he only won 5 thanks to his questionable in-game coaching decisions. They supported him just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Blame our admin then for not casting a winning vision and successful path forward. If fans are withholding checks then it?s because the value of what they?re giving money to isn?t worth itQuote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
It's our fault, not Lebby's. Lebby certainly won't take any blame, and guys like course blame everyone but him tooQuote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
I wouldn't blame a fan if they withhold a check from Lebby in 2026, since he wasted and squandered the money our big boosters gave him in 2025.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
Selfishly, I want them to keep giving money anyway for my own delusional dreams of personal entertainment on Fall Saturdays, but objectively I can understand why they wouldn't.
And the cycle will continue. They will not give money for 2026, give money for 2027, stop because the coach did not do exactly what they want, not give in 2028, give again in 29, and on and on it goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
At a certain point our fans have to decide that they are all in and are going to continue to give. You have to trust the AD to make the tough decisions when those times come. Because if we continue to give, and it does not work out, then that is something they can sell to a potential coaching candidate. No coach is going to come here when the pitch is, “Well they will support you as long as you do exactly what they tell you and even then they will not support you if it does not go the way they want it to go”
You are so convinced that you have it pegged. Have you been to a game this year? If you did, did you happen to notice the complete line changes and front 7 changes being made by UT, TX and UGA? When someone went down there was no drop off in performance elsewhere. Do you know what that is? Its depth, we dont have it, so spare me the we have all the players we need to win 8 or 9 in the SEC. We could be more competitive in the big 12, but not in the SEC. Why we?re at it other than QB tell me one position on the field where we were better than Miz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
1. I haven't missed a home game (other than 2020) in over 20 years. (Also, I think it would be easier to notice those things you mentioned while watching on TV anyway, so what a weird fail of a flex...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
2. Regardless of our lack of depth, we can directly point to bad decisions by Lebby that cost us the Florida and Texas games, so that's how you get to 7.
One of these days you guys are gonna have to figure out that we, us, are MSU. Not the admin, not anyone else just us. It?s up to us the alumni to make it happen. Take the initiative to just do it, or just keep on waiting and watching for what you want to see and someone to lead you, this seems to be the Missippy Tate way and it has worked out so well for us so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
The "Missippy Tate way" is to say that 5-7 is OK because we're just to poor to expect any better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Nonsense. Jackie retired from here, Mullen got a better job because he was here, Leach would?ve retired from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Lebby isn?t capable of calling plays and being the head coach. He won?t make it after next year unless he significantly improves his in game head coaching.
He appears to be caught off guard and making off the cuff/spur of the moment decisions during the game. It happens every game.
I would hope he would have noted key routine decisions where he?s already made the decision pregame while not being under duress. Hopefully he has that on his Waffle House menu and maybe he?s just not using it.
You want this staff fired, fine pony and pay for it. Nothing between you and them but a phone call and you fronting all the cash for this staff and the next as well as the millions spent to narrow down and acquire said staff. Go for it big guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I think his point was that right now this job is toxic. And he is right about that. It is. Has been since 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
You are right about one thing though, he needs to give up play calling duties. He can have a heavy hand in game planning and obviously can overrule but he needs someone in the booth calling the game.
I literally just posted: "You can't have an opinion unless you are rich enough to personally afford to change things yourself" is a bullѕhit and un-American attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
However, if there is an official "Fire Lebby" fund out there, I would gladly donate to it.
This is all you, C34, and SVS have as a defense of keeping Lebby now. Not he's good or worth keeping... just write a big check. SadQuote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
I think he is worth keeping. I have actually said that on multiple occasions. We sucked tonight, no way around it, but I can see the improvement from last year and I believe next year will be even more improvement. 2027 needs to be the breakthrough year. It will not be if we fire Lebby next year. We need him to work. Plain and Simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I also think he needs to go out and spend 1.5-2 million and hire an elite OC and cede play calling duties.
Ole Miss has way more support than we do for football. We aren't in the same league anymore in that regard. They've moved on by us since Leach died. We're still trying to swallow the idea that you have to pay millions to load your roster every year, and it increases by season. I dont have an answer to this problem. I dont see us spending Ole Miss or Mizzou money on a roster, regardless of coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
The frustrating thing is that at least for 2025, we didn't need to. We had a roster than should have beaten Florida and Texas, and potentially Tennessee or Missouri, and Lebby pissed it all away. At least he got Arkansas by 3 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Our #1 priority in selecting a coach needs to be in-game coaching. We need a guy who can seize the win when we have a chance.
Un-American. Well now, that one fits your little world perfectly doesn?t it. Welcome to the real world, it ain?t nice. And without knowing my story or some others here, where we have been and what we have done for America, that inadvertently means you, you might want to be more selective with that un American bullshat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Boosters and alumni have more power and more say in football programs than ever before in college football. Support matters a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If Lebby is as bad as you think he is and we give him the money and support that he needs to succeed he is going to fail anyway. But at least we will be in position to hire someone good that would improve the program. And if we give Lebby support and he proves you wrong then MSU still wins.
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State