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11-13-2025, 11:46 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Is a TD a TD or not?

We could have just as easy put Fluff back there to catch the snap and run it in. Let's also not forget he turned a TD into a FG at A&M also
11-13-2025, 11:55 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Is a TD a TD or not?

Boy, one lineman moved, not all, not the center. Is every false start on the qb?
11-13-2025, 12:15 PM
StarkVegasSteve

Glad to see State fans have our new warring factions.

We now have Kamario vs Shapen, who btw are legitimately very close and good friends.
11-13-2025, 12:15 PM
HoopsDawg

I cant remember a MSU football player with more undeserved hate than Shapen.
11-13-2025, 12:19 PM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I cant remember a MSU football player with more undeserved hate than Shapen.

Nick Fitzgerald would like a word
Will Rogers would like a word
Tyler Russell would like a word
Kevin Fant would like a word
Wayne Madkin would like a word.

Mississippi State fans love to hate the starter and think the backup is a combination of Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Is what it is.
11-13-2025, 12:37 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I cant remember a MSU football player with more undeserved hate than Shapen.

I can't speak for everyone, but I don't hate em. I just feel like getting KT as many snaps as possible is more beneficial for next season.
11-13-2025, 12:38 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Shapen: 8 TDs in SEC play to 10 turnovers in 400 snaps.

KT: 7 TDs in SEC play to 0 turnovers in 58 snaps.

I'm not getting in this pissing contest. But those are so skewed it's not funny. How many of kt's td's are after shapen drive them down the field and he came in the game inside the ten??
11-13-2025, 12:39 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Nick Fitzgerald would like a word
Will Rogers would like a word
Tyler Russell would like a word
Kevin Fant would like a word
Wayne Madkin would like a word.

Mississippi State fans love to hate the starter and think the backup is a combination of Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Is what it is.

Well in this case, KT is immensely more talented. Even his play (granted, SSS) is way better than Shapen in QBR and passer rating.
11-13-2025, 12:39 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I'm not getting in this pissing contest. But those are so skewed it's not funny. How many of kt's td's are after shapen drive them down the field and he came in the game inside the ten??

3/7

ETA... seems crazy to discount totally the one to get those final yards.
11-13-2025, 01:03 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Is a TD a TD or not?

Of course. But that's skewed data. That's not how life works. If I drive my BassCat to a great spot, sling out the top water, make it dance like majic, hook a 6lb bass, then hand the rod to my 10 year old granddaughter, isn't that a catch for her??
11-13-2025, 01:04 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I cant remember a MSU football player with more undeserved hate than Shapen.

No doubt !!!
11-13-2025, 01:05 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

O-Line ain't gonna cut it with Shapen in there.

This feels like a loss.

It's been a loss since it was on the schedule. We aren't winning against Missouri on the road.
11-13-2025, 01:19 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

I love how you ignore all the statistical evidence that shows your boy is an awful QB and can only cherry pick 1 phantom sack that didn't happen and completion percentage on 19 throws despite everyone telling you that anyone who's seen KT play know he's not inaccurate in the least.

There's no question he had accuracy problems the last two games. Even lebby implied as much.
That will get better with reps though.
And I think he brings so much else to the table that he needs to play much more.
11-13-2025, 01:23 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

There's no question he had accuracy problems the last two games. Even lebby implied as much.
That will get better with reps though.
And I think he brings so much else to the table that he needs to play much more.

Agree. He definitely needs to play a lot more than he has been. And then even more against ole miss. He will be a stud next year with the experience.
11-13-2025, 02:00 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Well in this case, KT is immensely more talented. Even his play (granted, SSS) is way better than Shapen in QBR and passer rating.

I think I've heard that statement made about every QB2 who was behind the QB1s on that list from StarkvegasSteve

Keytaon was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Nick
Robertson was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Will
Dak was lightyears ahead of Russell (who at the time was statistically the best QB in our history).
York was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Fant.
Fant was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Madkin.
Madkin was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Wyatt
Rodney Hudson was the the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Sleepy and Greg Plump.
11-13-2025, 02:13 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I think I've heard that statement made about every QB2 who was behind the QB1s on that list from StarkvegasSteve

Keytaon was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Nick
Robertson was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Will
Dak was lightyears ahead of Russell (who at the time was statistically the best QB in our history).
York was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Fant.
Fant was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Madkin.
Madkin was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Wyatt
Rodney Hudson was the the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Sleepy and Greg Plump.

How many of those in their action as a true freshman led the county in qbr? KT has started 7 drives in the last 2 sec games. Here's the results of those drives: 4 tds, 2 punts, 1 downs after driving 36 yards. That's quite impressive
11-13-2025, 02:20 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

How many of those in their action as a true freshman led the county in qbr? KT has started 7 drives in the last 2 sec games. Here's the results of those drives: 4 tds, 2 punts, 1 downs after driving 36 yards. That's quite impressive

Where are you getting this lead the country in QBR stuff?
11-13-2025, 02:24 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

How many of those in their action as a true freshman led the county in qbr? KT has started 7 drives in the last 2 sec games. Here's the results of those drives: 4 tds, 2 punts, 1 downs after driving 36 yards. That's quite impressive

He doesn't lead the country in QBR because he doesn't have enough stats to qualify. They make those exclusions because the stats can be so skewed when you are only playing 5 snaps most games

From ESPN: Season Leaders: To qualify, a player must play a minimum of 20 action plays per team game
11-13-2025, 02:48 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Where are you getting this lead the country in QBR stuff?

https://i.postimg.cc/BvXTG1Rk/IMG-0788.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/FK8jFHQB/IMG-0789.jpg
11-13-2025, 02:50 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

He doesn't lead the country in QBR because he doesn't have enough stats to qualify. They make those exclusions because the stats can be so skewed when you are only playing 5 snaps most games

From ESPN: Season Leaders: To qualify, a player must play a minimum of 20 action plays per team game

And I've said over-and-over that he doesn't qualify. He doesn't decide his playing time, but he has been excellent when he does. I see you totally gloss over a td rate of 57.1% per drive in sec play.
11-13-2025, 02:53 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I think I've heard that statement made about every QB2 who was behind the QB1s on that list from StarkvegasSteve

Keytaon was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Nick
Robertson was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Will
Dak was lightyears ahead of Russell (who at the time was statistically the best QB in our history).
York was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Fant.
Fant was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Madkin.
Madkin was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Wyatt
Rodney Hudson was the the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Sleepy and Greg Plump.

And I didn't say KT is the most talented qb we've ever signed; that's dak. I said KT is immensely more talented than Shapen, which he is. Sorry if that bothers you
11-13-2025, 02:55 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

https://i.postimg.cc/BvXTG1Rk/IMG-0788.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/FK8jFHQB/IMG-0789.jpg

How do you know he leads?
11-13-2025, 03:05 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by msstate7

And I didn't say KT is the most talented qb we've ever signed; that's dak. I said KT is immensely more talented than Shapen, which he is. Sorry if that bothers you

KT is more talented than Dak physically.
11-13-2025, 03:10 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

How do you know he leads?

93.4> 91.1. And again, I know he isn't qualified. Still, you can only judge a player by what he does when he plays, and his play is elite is so far. I know it wouldn't stay at 93.4 QBR if he played full time, but the small sample is good enough for me to want to see a bigger sample. Perhaps if he played all the time, it would drop to 60.1 (65th nationally) like Shapen.
11-13-2025, 03:11 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

KT is more talented than Dak physically.

Perhaps. I'm biased towards dak. And it's totally unfair for me to see the end dak and compare him to the true freshman KT
11-13-2025, 03:39 PM
EdwardDrayton

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Perhaps. I'm biased towards dak. And it's totally unfair for me to see the end dak and compare him to the true freshman KT

KT is more agile physically than Dak was and is.
11-13-2025, 04:04 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

And I've said over-and-over that he doesn't qualify. He doesn't decide his playing time, but he has been excellent when he does. I see you totally gloss over a td rate of 57.1% per drive in sec play.

I don't disagree that he has been very good - situationally. But you are also ignoring how much a situational QB he's been. Other than Alcorn, the first 5 games he played in packages specifically to gain short yardage and or short yardage scores. That is going to heavily skew a stat that places large portion of their measurement on scoring plays. He has the advantage of getting the ball on in those situations versus playing 90% of the snaps and taking all the hits like Shapen has.

Does he pass the eye test as a guy that is immensely talented? Yes. Is he long term more talented then Shapen?? Possibly. Maybe even probably. But, we've also thought that many times before only to end up booing the guy as a Senior.
11-13-2025, 05:31 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Most of those are due he doesn't step up in the pocket. He makes himself a sitting duck. I would hate to be a lineman for him.

This
11-13-2025, 05:33 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by msstate7

And I didn't say KT is the most talented qb we've ever signed; that's dak. I said KT is immensely more talented than Shapen, which he is. Sorry if that bothers you

KT is the most talented QB we have probably ever signed. Dak was a work in progress.
11-13-2025, 05:34 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Perhaps. I'm biased towards dak. And it's totally unfair for me to see the end dak and compare him to the true freshman KT

Just compare him to freshman 3-star dak.
11-13-2025, 05:48 PM
Bothrops

How many sacks will Mizzou record this weekend? I'd say 5-6.
11-13-2025, 06:08 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

In the last game Shapen was sacked 1 more time than KT. And by the way, Shapen has already been sacked 31 times- 6 more than he has any season of his career and we still have two games left.

Our issue isn't Shapen. It isn't him holding onto the ball too long. And it sure as hell isn't his lack of mobility. It's our offensive line absolutely sucks. And KT's lack of accuracy offsets the production from his legs relative to what Shapen gives us in terms of accuracy.

Shapen is part of the issue. So is the OL. Two things true at once. He does hold the ball too long. On the long KT throw, KT threw it much quicker with guy in his face. Shapen would have been in fetal position with a sack.

Shapen does not presnap read the D. Obvious blitz is coming and he does not adjust to throw quick. That is on Shapen not the OL.

KT pocket awareness is much better even as a freshman. He feels the rush and makes them pay. Only time he got sacked there was not where to run as he tried.
11-13-2025, 06:09 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

KT is more agile physically than Dak was and is.

No doubt, Dak ran like a FB but was still effective.
11-13-2025, 08:17 PM
EdwardDrayton

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

KT is the most talented QB we have probably ever signed. Dak was a work in progress.

We don't know yet if KT is the most talented. He probably is the most agile. But he still has much to prove to show he can be better than Dak.
11-13-2025, 08:19 PM
EdwardDrayton

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Shapen is part of the issue. So is the OL. Two things true at once. He does hold the ball too long. On the long KT throw, KT threw it much quicker with guy in his face. Shapen would have been in fetal position with a sack.

Shapen does not presnap read the D. Obvious blitz is coming and he does not adjust to throw quick. That is on Shapen not the OL.

KT pocket awareness is much better even as a freshman. He feels the rush and makes them pay. Only time he got sacked there was not where to run as he tried.

His pocket awareness and poise is encouraging to be so young and inexperienced.
11-13-2025, 08:23 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

93.4> 91.1. And again, I know he isn't qualified. Still, you can only judge a player by what he does when he plays, and his play is elite is so far. I know it wouldn't stay at 93.4 QBR if he played full time, but the small sample is good enough for me to want to see a bigger sample. Perhaps if he played all the time, it would drop to 60.1 (65th nationally) like Shapen.

But you just pulled 1 non qualified player who is higher and compared it to the qualified list. You would have to go individually look at every single backup QB in the country to know he is the highest
11-13-2025, 08:53 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

But you just pulled 1 non qualified player who is higher and compared it to the qualified list. You would have to go individually look at every single backup QB in the country to know he is the highest

You're missing the whole point of it: KT has been outstanding, and his qbr backs it up. But if it makes you happier, KT's qbr (in a SSS) is better than the #1 qualifier.
11-13-2025, 11:25 PM
justwin

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Originally Posted by msstate7

93.4> 91.1. And again, I know he isn't qualified. Still, you can only judge a player by what he does when he plays, and his play is elite is so far. I know it wouldn't stay at 93.4 QBR if he played full time, but the small sample is good enough for me to want to see a bigger sample. Perhaps if he played all the time, it would drop to 60.1 (65th nationally) like Shapen.

numbers don't lie. the decision to not play the best player only b/c they are younger is a high school level coach approach, basic, and unable to process the enormous upside. we've seen it on the field the last several weeks, kamario should start and play the entire game.
11-13-2025, 11:28 PM
justwin

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Shapen is part of the issue. So is the OL. Two things true at once. He does hold the ball too long. On the long KT throw, KT threw it much quicker with guy in his face. Shapen would have been in fetal position with a sack.

Shapen does not presnap read the D. Obvious blitz is coming and he does not adjust to throw quick. That is on Shapen not the OL.

KT pocket awareness is much better even as a freshman. He feels the rush and makes them pay. Only time he got sacked there was not where to run as he tried.

exactly. just watch the ARK & UGA drives again. it jumps out. Kamario can make every throw this offense requires. If kamario starts and gets those 5 to 6 drives in the 1H that shapen has been wasting, we likely score 21+ each of those 1Hs.
11-13-2025, 11:43 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by justwin

numbers don't lie. the decision to not play the best player only b/c they are younger is a high school level coach approach, basic, and unable to process the enormous upside. we've seen it on the field the last several weeks, kamario should start and play the entire game.

Yesssssss. The guy that is paid millions and winning games depends on him to continue to make millions of dollars- not to mention he has a drive for winning- plays the inferior QB that he watches day after day in practice, on gameday, and on film

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