That TD pass on that flat route last game hopefully will help some with his confidence. It's a process for sure. I'm Ok with where he's at now. He's more comfortable when we roll him out which makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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That TD pass on that flat route last game hopefully will help some with his confidence. It's a process for sure. I'm Ok with where he's at now. He's more comfortable when we roll him out which makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
He needs to spend the offseason with a QB guru and work on progressions. Really just needs reps more than anything in practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses
The physical tools are off the chart from the little bit I got to watch him play in high school. I've had the privilege (along with others on this board I'm sure) to play with and watch some high rated quarterbacks. And most of them get to college and do not pan out. I'll use Ty Keyes as an example. I didn't play with him but watched him 4 years at Taylorsville. He was a legit HS QB. Cannon for an arm and could run. Long story short, he gets to college and doesn't really do much. He had all the tools but imo Mississippi schools are way behind modern offenses and it really hurts these kids when they get to college trying to learn to read defenses and schemes. The tools can be there but they are useless if you can't read whats glhapoening on the other side of the line if scrimmage.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We need to spend whatever it takes to make sure he progresses this off season. Hire whoever and whatever we needQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Lebby has proven that he can take a disaster and get some better players in year 2 and make us competitive with a chance to win in close games. Now the question becomes can he get over the hump? Or is he our football version of Ben Howland. I say this because Howland took over a horrible situation with Rick Ray and made us competitive again in basketball but couldn?t get us over the hump to be a consistent tournament team. He lost so many close games at the very end for several years just like Lebby is doing this year. Next year is really going to be the determining factor for what Lebby can do. Lebby is the first Miss State coach that is 2 years into his tenure and I haven?t made a decision. I?ve been a State fan since the early 2000s. Croom I knew at this point wasn?t the answer, Mullen I knew right away would be good, Moorhead I knew the second he was announced would be a disaster, Leach I wasn?t sure about but by this time year 2 I was bought in. Arnett I was willing to try it until about 5 games in. Lebby is still a question mark
Yeah I agree. Same thoughts here except I thought when we hired Moorehead that it was a good hire. Boy was I wrong. I gotta say that Lebby has me really excited and worried at the same time. I dont know how I have this feeling but I do. Extreme highs and extreme lows lol. Atleast he does it right when he does it, no lukewarm stuff. It's either estatic or heartbreak so far in his tenure.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
It's more about getting him in touch with the right QB trainer in the offseason than hiring someone on staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses
https://www.train3dqb.com/about-3dqb-elite-qb-training
Big difference between Moorhead and Lebby is at least we are on an upward trajectory with Lebby whereas with Moorhead we seemed to get more and more sloppy and everything seemed chaotic. We looked completely unprepared in year two under Moorhead. And that's probably only because our defense in 2018 was simply too good to fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses
To me, we don't look unprepared. I would say we were more prepared than Texas among others in fact. It looks to me like we lack depth. It seems like every injury is a major issue for us and every mistake gets magnified.
Agreed man. We have looked prepared every game. Now like every team, we have had our sloppy moments. It's crazy to think how good our defense was in 2018. Our offense wasn't bad as far as talent. And we had Fitz. And Moorhead couldn't win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Special teams lost the Texas game.
Exactly, I understand the mindset and everyone knows we have been bit in the ass taking our foot of the gas. There comes a time that someone should have done the math and let him know that we could almost burn the entire clock if we let up.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
This is not really up to the fans. The product on the field is killing fan moraleQuote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses
Like I said the offensive philosophy will not work and is a major problem. But we will have a new coach in 2027 so time to take a break from MState football until then. Hopefully we go with someone that runs the power spread like DanQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
It looks like whatever he's building is being converted to doo doo as soon as it arrives.
Yeah, great suggestion. Let a loser keep losing. He'll eventually figure it out in year 12, we just have to be patient. Sick of this garbage. Winners win, losers lose.
Well... he won.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
19 days later.... the real issue is our OL and DL. Not the coach. Although, he has made some dumbass decisions but those are probably because he knows our OL and DL are going to fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
THIS is the correct answer. But, it is also on his shoulders to correct those problems through recruiting, the portal and coaching hires and so far year 2 isn't much better, if any, than year 1. I think there has to be significant improvement in year 3 to get a year 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
I don't disagree. But for Lebby to become aware of these issues and obviously not scheme around them. That is the point that is breaking a lot of backs. And draws into questions his ability to coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
You see him scheming differently each week. Beginning of the year the complaints are he checks down too much then it’s too many HR balls. With a bad line on either side of the ball it’s very limited what you can do and the fact weve hung the amount of points we have is impressive in itself. D gets worn out eventually but impressed by them as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick91
No.
It's the same thing every week: Lebby coaches a terrible game on Saturday. On Sunday there is near unanimous agreement that he's still a bad coach who will eventually be fired.
Then by midweek, people delude themselves back into "well maybe all of his red flags are good things and actually no other coach would even get us close enough to have his coaching cost us the games, so actually it's not really his fault at all!"
Lather, rinse, repeat. Believe me, I'm as desperate to root for a good football program as much as anyone else, but being in denial about our terrible coach who could have 7, 8, or 9 wins but instead just has 5 does no favors to anyone.
Arnett or Moorhead could have coached this team to 5-7. We need someone who can outperform them.
Yeah, this board is almost Genespage at this point. I feel like SixPack reflects the fanbase's feelings better. Lebby is awful, everyone knows it whether they can bring themselves to admit it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Lebby is not a good coach yet. You guys are on meth if you think Arnett or Moorhead would have the same record as Lebby this year though. Moorehead might have beaten Arkansas. Arnett would have lost to ASU and Arkansas.
I think most of the fanbase has just capitulated at this point. Yes Lebby ain't it but what are our chances of bringing in anyone better given the current Administration / leadership situation? This admin has made so many bad decisions in both athletics and academics that any sense of confidence is long gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
Lebbys offenses have averaged more ppg in his first two years than all but three years Mullen was here and some of them were later on in ******* tenure with a much more talented roster...
Offense isn't the problem, defense isn't the problem, coaching decisions aren't the problem. Money is the problem. We don't have the talent to bail us out of poor coaching decisions like others in our conference do. We have to play and coach perfect. Lane can have a c+ coaching game and get bailed out by the talent on the roster now. Same with the other playoff contenders. Coaches are going to make bone headed decisions some every game, goes back to jimmys and joes beat x's and o's.
Arnett beat a similar quality Arkansas on the road as HC, and also won a home close game with Arizona, who was similar or a little better than this year's Arizona.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
Moorhead also beat Arkansas in the year ye got fired (so did Croom, incidentally) as well as 2 other P5 home games.
Yup.....Croom, Moorhead, Arnett and Lebby ..... all block-heads and all bad hiresQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Nobody on Lebby’s team is giving the starting QB skull fractures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Sure, but we were discussing on the field results, and so far Lebby hasn't done anything that Arnett and Moorhead couldn't do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
Speaking of, is it weird to anyone else how much we as a university praise Willie Gay after that incident? The official accounts post things about him, and we even honored him on the field earlier this season.
I understand your line of thought. I just don’t agree with the point. Moorehead and Arnett did that standing on the shoulders of Mullen and Leach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Fitz was a top 5 All time QB for us and Will was Will. Honestly a lot like Blake. Lebby is taking over the mess created by Arnett and playing catch up on NIL within our base. I’m not saying Lebby is a good coach. I think he will be. He may never be a good coach here though. Your statement is a bit like when your sibling breaks yours mom’s lamp and hands you the bat he did it with. It’s not really what happened or fair.
That being said, I’m not satisfied with this year. But to each their own. I also think Willie Gay is not someone we should promote, but from what I heard of the incident and the climate in which it happened, pretty sure we wouldn’t demonize him. We probably should just not acknowledge him at all tbh
Agree totally!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
I disagree. Coaching errors alone lost us the Texas and Florida games. You can't kick argue coaching errors at least made Mizzu look a lot worse than it was if not lost us that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
Arnett beat an Arkansas team on the road that didn?t have an interim head coach. We?re fine with firing a first time HC previous coordinator midway through a season but God forbid we get rid of a coach who went 2-10 is first season with a blowout loss at home to Toledo. Arnett was bad so is Lebby they don?t have to be mutually exclusiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
Assuming we end up losing the Egg Bowl, there isn't much difference at all in this season and 2023.
And honestly not a huge difference between 2025 and 2024 either. Biggest change is that 7 of our 9 P5 opponents got worse, some of them significantly worse like Florida and Arkansas, and we failed to capitalize. Well, that and at least Lebby did get absolutely humiliated by a MAC team this time.
It is a damn good thing the fanbase doesnt make the decisionsQuote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
Absolutly! We would be firing a coach every year and talking about how we deserve better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Welfare mentality for the welfare programQuote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
I'll agree we need to be better on both lines. the issue is the Coach is a dumb ass--90% of D1 Coaches would not have lost the Texas game-or the Fla Game for sure. When you know you are weak on the lines of scrimmage you have to Coach accordingly. Just run Fluff and kick the FG -and then we going bowling. after That pass Shapen should have been bench bound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Your assumption that 90% of coaches would have been in that same spot isn’t really fair though. The Florida game was unacceptable. The defense collapsed on the Texas game. Lebby should have slowed the offense down in the 4th quarter, but the Texas D is legit and we scored at will on them for 3 quarters.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70