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Like what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
That our administration knows more than the average piss ant fan on this board?
That we have people acting irrational to our current circumstances?
That we have people completely overreacting to the situation?
Again, like what?
I agree with this. We are so much better everywhere and have a HC still learning. I'm as frustrated as anyone about the 3 losses this year that were easy wins just doing one of 20 things in any game but I've seen enough to feel good we are going in the right direction. We need to keep this momentum with recruiting and get a return on our two year investment. Starting over, just feels terrible right now. I don't want to wait 2 more years before we compete again.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
Next year must be 6 wins as floor and bowling or go another direction.
Ok - so it isn't the 2nd hardest at the moment. ESPN has us as the #14 SOS right now. Our losses are to their FPI #7 Texas, #8 A&M, #13 TN and #27 UF. Our FPI is 44 (right ahead of ASU at 45).Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
ESPN shows our remaining SOS as #4 - as we still have #6 UGA, #12 Ole Miss, #19 Mizzou, and #37 Arkansas. So, currently every SEC team we play is rated as better than us, and likely that our SOS ends up in the Top 10. IIRC - the only change is that ASU had a higher FPI then us when the season started.
You like FPI now?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
“I’m tired of this, Grandpa”
It is more than just those two. There?s even a thread on tRant talking about how delirious State fans are wanting him fired. Even if he loses out firing him would be so moronic. Like we are by far the worst job in SEC because of how hard it is to win here especially now with NIL. Yeah let us fire a guy who has us going in the right direction, people will be beating down the door to coach here. Just retarded to want that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
"Thanks for the vote of confidence. Much appreciated." - Mississippi State UniversityQuote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
edited: I love you guys but my gosh, I just don't understand for the life of me how you go thru life so invested in a school and program that you see in such a negative light. Mississippi State has TONS of potential, the school, the city and yes the football program but man we just accept losing so easily. I honestly don't understand it.
How about pee-wee soccer in Tupelo or Belden?Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
You would catch that lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So lets go to the current AP Poll - Losses to #2 A&M; #14 Tennessee; #20 Texas and unranked Florida. Still have #5 GA; #7 OM; #19 Mizzou; and unranked Arky on the schedule.
Pre-season this was #1 Texas; #19 A&M; #24 Tennessee; #15 Florida; #5 GA; #21 OM; Unranked Mizzou & Arky and we beat pre-season #11 ASU.
UF and Mizzou flip flop and ASU has been week to week ranked/unranked. That's not a whole lot of actual change, just perception of which team is where in the pecking order.
Well, we've been losing my whole life basically, so why would I expect anything different. What's the definition of insanity again...Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
I don?t know if these message boards would qualify as a reasonable test sample, but if I had to guess, Right Now, the Fanbase is 60% Keep him another year
40% Cut him and move on even in this crazy coaching environment
IF, he does go 4-8 (0-8 SEC) I suspect that will flip to 60 want him gone.
By the way, since so many of yall say Last Year doesn?t count, did the NCAA erase last years results from our record? Is State the only program that isn?t counting last year?s results in our records?
In 2020, when Leach was forced to play a 10 game SEC schedule and managed to only win 3 of them, did that count against our record? It seems the only fair thing for the SEC to do is not even count those 8 losses for us and the 8 wins for our opponents!
It would have also been fair in 2020 to have all the other 13 teams play a 10 game SEC schedule but allow Po? Ol? MSU to only play 6 SEC games and 4 games against FBS teams. Seems like we are getting ripped off for having to keep playing the schedule they give us!!!😂😂😂😂
Don't throw stats at the stat guy. Lolz. His phone is smoking right now as he scours Google frantically.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Nah...Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
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But Mississippi and TN are better than people thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Leach got a pass in year one.
So did lebby.
The upward trajectory is obvious, undeniable. But it has to turn into wins in November or by next year. I think it will if our fans will leave him the hell alone (like not booing our team in the first possession vs Texas).
Cheers brother - I'm sipping a glass of Jefferson's myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
That explains some. But not all......Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Hey, that’s not a Zima…Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That's the wife's. My zima was out, so I'm drinking high noons hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
I think part of MSU's fans issue is not understanding the environment and landscape of college football now.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
For the 40% that are calling for a new coach they need to be donating more money to the NIL fund and encouraging other MSU fans to do the same.
It's crazy for MSU fans to say that they're Ok with a coach learning on the job when we first hire them and then get upset when they make mistakes....learning on the job.
MSU needs to prioritize getting better players and building better depth at this point. That's a big reason why we have lost most of our games- lack of depth. It's not the only reason but it's a big one.
I think the vast majority of Lebbyskeptical fans aren't "OK with a coach learning on the job." Whenever the next change is made, we would like to hire someone with established successful head coaching experience, even if it's G5/FCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Hope you got a DD for the short bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It probably will be someone with experience whenever that time comes especially since Arnett failed massively before Lebby. Fans aren't going to be happy about three first year coaches in a row. At the same time, he is what he is and I remember a lot of fans saying that they expected there to be growing pains. And despite that, some are still upset about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
FCS is too low. See Moorhead. Way too much variability in that league to assess. I would prefer someone from the AAC. It's the best G5 conference IMO and they have to play games that have national implications. It's a bit more rare to see that from a Sun Belt or C-USA team.
Also, experienced coaches are expected to bring players that can help right away in this era. Typically, you don't get as much of that with a coordinator hire. That's what Huff did at USM. Either way, it costs money and money must be spent on players.
and that is what so many dont understand. We have to keep hiring coordinators because up and coming G5 HC's wont take our job in hopes of holding out for a better offer. We dont just keep hiring coordinators for the helluva itQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
We absolutely could hire someone like Ryan Silverfield if we wanted too. Among others. We've had plenty of head coaches at other schools interested in our job before- see Mike Leach. Jeff Monken was very interested in our job. Gene Chizik was literally begging for our job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
With Lebby he was an exception in that I think Selmon really believes in him and also has familiarity with him. And I think he has done an OK job so far. As you have said before, no one was going to win with what we had in 2024.
Ryan Silverfield and Jeff Monken are both on my hot board of 16 experienced and successful head coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
But they both have some small red flags. Silverfield's is that both of his predecessors at Memphis won more than him, and then crashed and burned at P5 jobs. That doesn't necessarily mean Silverfield would do the same, but it does make you wonder if Memphis wins primarily because it has more resources than its conference opponents and just keeps artificially making their coaches look better than they are.
For Monken, it's that he's been an offensive guy running the triple option as a head coach since 2010. I don't think we can run the Army offense here in the SEC, even if we could take some concepts from it. For this reason, I would prefer Navy's Brian Newberry if we want to go the service academy route, as he's younger, has a higher winning percentage, and came up as a DC, so he might not be attached to any particular offense.
Alex Golesh and Eric Morris would be my top two. Our personnel fits their schemes and both have explosive offenses. Both took over major rebuilds and are now doing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I think Jon Sumrall, the current Tulane coach, wanted our job when it was open. Of course, Selmon wanted his buddy from Oklahoma and hired Lebby. Sumrall did a good job at Troy when he was Head Coach, and now is doing a good job at Tulane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Jon Sumrall also let it be known he wanted the Kentucky job if it came open. He refused to sign a non compete clause so he wouldn?t jump to Kentucky. Then add on the rumors of Stoops going to A&M at the time and he also slow played us to find out if Stoops was leaving.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
Horrendous options. Both would be downgrades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Yeah- too many people never see this side of things or take it into account when making a hireQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
You have no idea. None of us do. Hard to say anyone is a downgrade from 0-12 in conf. Maybe Lebby gets a win this week, so a downgrade is even possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I know that bringing in a damn option coach would set us back a decade. I know that you and your boyfriend have a combined IQ of 50.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
When personal insults are your artillery, you've lost the argument. Maybe Q is insulted by your gay cracks, but I really don't give a crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
No need to get catty.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Personally, I think gay people are pretty cool and didn't see it as an insult.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think Selmon would have hired Lebby whether Sumrall would have signed the noncompete clause or not. I note he just signed an extension with Tulane and says he's not interested in the LSU job. Of course this is all speculationQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Totally unfair to Sumrall, but after our def HC disaster, I sorta understandQuote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
Lord please don't let us hire a coach that runs the triple option. I can't ever see that working in the SEC.
Personally I want to give Lebby another year. I get he is winless in the SEC. And I wouldn't be surprised if he still after Saturday. But I like the improvement I have seen from last year to this year. The most important thing our program needs is stability and we haven't had that since Mullen left.