This post is extremely out of character for me, but here it is....

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You don't know that, yet. And what the hell does 5-7 with a SEC win get you that 4-8 without one doesn't? Shitty season is a shitty season. I need to see improvement, and that doesn't always come in the form of wins. Although it's better when it does

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I saw someone make a mistake that a ****in 10 year old playing madden wouldn't make. How is that your barometer for learning and improvement?

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Originally Posted by Tater

I saw someone make a mistake that a ****in 10 year old playing madden wouldn't make. How is that your barometer for learning and improvement?

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Thank you. My wife, who barely knows football, started watching at the end because of the drama. Immediately after the interception she said “why didn’t he just kick the goal”. This is a woman who has watched maybe 5 games her entire life. This isn’t even a “Football 101” mistake it’s an “Elementary PeeWee Football” mistake.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Cadaver, I very much agree with you. We are just not in a position to make ANOTHER coaching change. We hired a coach AGAIN that has to learn how to be a head coach at a place that is not easy to win at. We are competing this year which we didn't do last year. One or two plays different and we either split or sweep the TN/FL games. We CAN beat Texas next week at home. Don't know if we will but we are certainly capable. I was absolutely pissed with the clock management at the end of today's game and the inexplicable decision by Shapen to throw the ball straight to a FL defender with no MSU receiver in the area but Lebby called some good plays and if Shapen could have been more accurate today we would have won without the last drive. At this point we just need to keep progressing and see where we are at the end of next season.

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I agree

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Thank you. My wife, who barely knows football, started watching at the end because of the drama. Immediately after the interception she said “why didn’t he just kick the goal”. This is a woman who has watched maybe 5 games her entire life. This isn’t even a “Football 101” mistake it’s an “Elementary PeeWee Football” mistake.

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And if Ferrie misses it short, you may be one of the ones complaining about why we didn't try to get closer.

I hated it too, but hindsight is 20/20, and the play call didn't have to end in an INT...that was our brilliant 24 year old veteran QB that turned a questionable play call into a game loser.

I’m not saying I want Lebby fired, but I’m really tired of being a loser. After all the tuition I paid I could at least get 1 SEC win.

Yea if we fire this guy - we might have to hire a guy whose father in law fostered an environment of rape that is only trumped by the Penn State sandusky scandal, who also has not won an sec game, and who makes game management decision mistakes that a 10 year old playing madden wouldn't make.

Damn that would suck if we had to hire a guy that has that much baggage and sucks that bad at coaching.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

And if Ferrie misses it short, you may be one of the ones complaining about why we didn't try to get closer.

I hated it too, but hindsight is 20/20, and the play call didn't have to end in an INT...that was our brilliant 24 year old veteran QB that turned a questionable play call into a game loser.

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At some point, running that qb out there is on the coach. I know we don't blame Lebby like other coaches, but we used to

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I agree

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Seconded.

Serious question. Who is a realistic hire that is a worse combo of coaching and morality? Hugh freeze is somehow a better option btw.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

At some point, running that qb out there is on the coach. I know we don't blame Lebby like other coaches, but we used to

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So you'd rather us play a guy that he knows isn't ready and lose by more? Shapen pisses me off, but if Taylor isn't ready I can't blame Lebbybfor not putting him out there. I'd rather be in the position we were in to try and win at the end than to be out of it by the end of the 3rd quarter bc mstate7 was tired of seeing Shapen

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Answer me this....who are you hiring if we fire Lebby? Who is your top 3 guys?

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Just about any head coach who has had sustained success at the G5 or lower level would have us at least 5-2 right now, and most would have us 6-1.

He mentioned Chesney (James Madison) and Huff (Southern Miss), and I'll throw in Candle (Toledo), Sumrall (Tulane), and Rogers (Washington State). New hires are always a crapshot, but their resumes all suggest they at least wouldn't piss away winnable games.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So you'd rather us play a guy that he knows isn't ready and lose by more? Shapen pisses me off, but if Taylor isn't ready I can't blame Lebbybfor not putting him out there. I'd rather be in the position we were in to try and win at the end than to be out of it by the end of the 3rd quarter bc mstate7 was tired of seeing Shapen

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Shapen isn't ready either. How much more proof you need? Dude has completely shit his pants in every sec game he's played in

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Shapen isn't ready either. How much more proof you need? Dude has completely shit his pants in every sec game he's played in

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That's not proving your point, it's helping mine. I didn't say Shapen was good...I just said Taylor isn't ready. You really think Lebby is putting the lesser QB out there with his millions on the line?

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

That's not proving your point, it's helping mine. I didn't say Shapen was good...I just said Taylor isn't ready. You really think Lebby is putting the lesser QB out there with his millions on the line?

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If your qb play is shit, why do put the ball in his hands when you're in fg range?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Just about any head coach who has had sustained success at the G5 or lower level would have us at least 5-2 right now, and most would have us 6-1.

He mentioned Chesney (James Madison) and Huff (Southern Miss), and I'll throw in Candle (Toledo), Sumrall (Tulane), and Rogers (Washington State). New hires are always a crapshot, but their resumes all suggest they at least wouldn't piss away winnable games.

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Maybe.

One things for sure, we better be ready for scraps if we go into the coaching search this year.

I'm trying to think of jobs open or that could open, and the carousel it will start once they start poaching coaches.....

Penn St
Arkansas
UCLA
Auburn?
Florida?
LSU?
Florida State?
Clemson?
South Carolina?

But you guys may get your wish. Maybe we are able to pony up buyouts and money to offer a big salary to a proven coach, and also have money left over to build a good roster once you lose a bunch of players due to the coaching change. We shall see.

Personally I hope and think we will give Lebby one more year, and I think he will be here several more if we do

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If your qb play is shit, why do put the ball in his hands when you're in fg range?

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Good question. I wasn't pleased with the pass play call. But I u destined you thinking they would be geared to stop the run. Shapen just made a bad play, and Lebby probably should have taken his chances on the long field goal. I hated the choices by both. But I understand the thought process...just didn't agree with it. That being said, if Ferrie misses it, our fans are bitching that Lebby didn't try to get him closer....so he tried to be aggressive and give us a better chance at a win, and it wasn't a good decision.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Maybe.

One things for sure, we better be ready for scraps if we go into the coaching search this year.

I'm trying to think of jobs open or that could open, and the carousel it will start once they start poaching coaches.....

Penn St
Arkansas
UCLA
Auburn?
Florida?
LSU?
Florida State?
Clemson?
South Carolina?

But you guys may get your wish. Maybe we are able to pony up buyouts and money to offer a big salary to a proven coach, and also have money left over to build a good roster once you lose a bunch of players due to the coaching change. We shall see.

Personally I hope and think we will give Lebby one more year, and I think he will be here several more if we do

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At worst, we can hire Charles Huff tomorrow, who has won at 2 different stops

Just can't believe we threw the ball there. F me. And then Shapen took an awful play call and made it even worse by throwing a pick.

Ugh.

We needed that win. Would have been a big one for us.

Next weekend is one Lebby needs to figure out a way to win.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Just can't believe we threw the ball there. F me. And then Shapen took an awful play call and made it even worse by throwing a pick.

Ugh.

We needed that win. Would have been a big one for us.

Next weekend is one Lebby needs to figure out a way to win.

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I like this personality of yours better. It's the reasonable one of your 2

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I like this personality of yours better. It's the reasonable one of your 2

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Haha, trust me, I hated the decision and I hated the execution. Lebby made a horrendous play call. Shapen made a horrible decision. It was the most MSU thing ever. I was crushed and cussing and miserable and still am. So don't get it twisted.

That being said, I still can't get to where firing Lebby right now is the right move. If we regress and are no longer competitive and he loses the team in these last 5 games that could change my mind.

I'm just in a position where I feel like both things can be true....

A. Lebby made an awful awful horrendous decision in this game

B. We don't need to fire him yet

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Haha, trust me, I hated the decision and I hated the execution. Lebby made a horrendous play call. Shapen made a horrible decision. It was the most MSU thing ever. I was crushed and cussing and miserable and still am. So don't get it twisted.

That being said, I still can't get to where firing Lebby right now is the right move. If we regress and are no longer competitive and he loses the team in these last 5 games that could change my mind.

I'm just in a position where I feel like both things can be true....

A. Lebby made an awful awful horrendous decision in this game

B. We don't need to fire him yet

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Not yet, i agree. When OM punches their playoff ticket on our field with a 35-10 win to send Lebby to 0-16 in the sec, that's the time.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not yet, i agree. When OM punches their playoff ticket on our field with a 35-10 win to send Lebby to 0-16 in the sec, that's the time.

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I may be with you on that. We'll see.

Maybe when Ole Miss punches their playoff ticket our boosters will have the same reaction Ole Miss's did when we won the Natty in baseball

This is not the time for a coaching evaluation and decision. There are five more games before that will take place. But at that time nothing is off the table.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Haha, trust me, I hated the decision and I hated the execution. Lebby made a horrendous play call. Shapen made a horrible decision. It was the most MSU thing ever. I was crushed and cussing and miserable and still am. So don't get it twisted.

That being said, I still can't get to where firing Lebby right now is the right move. If we regress and are no longer competitive and he loses the team in these last 5 games that could change my mind.

I'm just in a position where I feel like both things can be true....

A. Lebby made an awful awful horrendous decision in this game

B. We don't need to fire him yet

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I think the problem with MSU's boosters is if they don't think a guy can coach they don't support the coach. And I get ROI with their money. But the answer is to try to pump money into the program and try to buy the best players we can regardless of who the coach is.

Because you are right- firing Lebby isn't the answer. But it doesn't mean he is the answer either. And even if he isn't we still need to support the program and trust Selmon to do what is right at the end of 2026 if it even comes to that.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Just about any head coach who has had sustained success at the G5 or lower level would have us at least 5-2 right now, and most would have us 6-1.

He mentioned Chesney (James Madison) and Huff (Southern Miss), and I'll throw in Candle (Toledo), Sumrall (Tulane), and Rogers (Washington State). New hires are always a crapshot, but their resumes all suggest they at least wouldn't piss away winnable games.

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One probem with this list. Sitting, successful HC's at any level are ineligible for hire most times in my MSU fan life time.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Good question. I wasn't pleased with the pass play call. But I u destined you thinking they would be geared to stop the run. Shapen just made a bad play, and Lebby probably should have taken his chances on the long field goal. I hated the choices by both. But I understand the thought process...just didn't agree with it. That being said, if Ferrie misses it, our fans are bitching that Lebby didn't try to get him closer....so he tried to be aggressive and give us a better chance at a win, and it wasn't a good decision.

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If they were geared up to stop the run, why did they drop a 300 lb plus nose guard into coverage? And to add insult to injury, Shapen said post game he didn't see him. Shapen was thowing to a spot on a horrible play call.

how to win a close game. Not all of them but at least one of them. A junior high coach would have run the ball to the middle of the field, clocked the ball and then let the winning kick go with no time on the clock.

I'd rather see us spend the millions of buyout dollars on more talent through NIL than buying out Lebby and company. It's too early for that in my opinion.

Lebby was handed a mess, and even though he hasn't done it with wins and losses, the improvement on the field is easily seen. I think once a bowl game is totally out of the question you have to go with Taylor the rest of the way, and at that point next year becomes a make or break year for him. I feel certain we aren't firing him after this season, but he'll have to win 6 next year or it's over. And I still think we have an outside shot at 6 this year....but we will have to beat Texas for it to be possible.

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I?m not saying I want Lebby fired, but I?m really tired of being a loser. After all the tuition I paid I could at least get 1 SEC win.

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Sit tight as it?s probably coming. Next year.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'd rather see us spend the millions of buyout dollars on more talent through NIL than buying out Lebby and company. It's too early for that in my opinion.

Lebby was handed a mess, and even though he hasn't done it with wins and losses, the improvement on the field is easily seen. I think once a bowl game is totally out of the question you have to go with Taylor the rest of the way, and at that point next year becomes a make or break year for him. I feel certain we aren't firing him after this season, but he'll have to win 6 next year or it's over. And I still think we have an outside shot at 6 this year....but we will have to beat Texas for it to be possible.

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Only because we were so unimaginably godawful last year.

Compare us to 2023, or better yet, 2022. Those should be the measuring sticks for Lebby, not the 2024 season that "doesn't count" and "can't be held against him."

What I am reading here is the exact same thing I was reading back in 2024 when half of us wanted Lemonis fired after a second straight horrible season once he got HIS players in. Coach 34 kept saying ?he gets next year and if he fails he will be fired. So we wasted an entire year aGAIN. So heck, it worked out so well for baseball, let?s go ahead and give the 0-16 in SEC Football Coach another year, and if he screws it up aGAIN, THEN we will fire him and start over probably with a Current Special Teams Coach as our New head coach because : Po? Ol? MissippiState!!

At the end of the day, QB play has cost us from being 6-1, 2-1 in conference.

Lebby called a game yesterday that had his QB been able to make some throws would?ve been a blow out. You can?t go on road and miss two wide open TDs and miss FGs and expect to win. Lebby should have never been in position to had to have call that play at the end. This will be a spring board for Lebby. Which it goes-up to him. A&M was just better than us. Lebby is a good coach.

I do have to start questioning the QB evals because he also wanted Arnold bad and Arnold May give you a bit of a runner but he has not impressed me throwing the ball. I just have hard time believing that KT or Luke K (whom people forget is the highest rated QB recruit we have ever had) can?t make some of these throws. We are in a tough position with Luke K-play him and he shows out KT bolts. He plays and sucks, why spend the money?

And to the moron who said they?d hire Charles Huff..the same Charles Huff who lost to Leb? We have some DA fans. Remember the ones who wanted Napier, Kevin Wilson, etc? And lastly, as 34 pointed out-who will pony up for all the buyouts the last few years? We have more money than people in our own fanbase give us credit for, I know that for fact. But unlike our pals up north, our fans don?t flaunt it or care enough about our sports to go all in. We have never been all in, it?s time to be all in and stop being cheap. Get this guy some players and he will be good for us.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'd rather see us spend the millions of buyout dollars on more talent through NIL than buying out Lebby and company. It's too early for that in my opinion.

Lebby was handed a mess, and even though he hasn't done it with wins and losses, the improvement on the field is easily seen. I think once a bowl game is totally out of the question you have to go with Taylor the rest of the way, and at that point next year becomes a make or break year for him. I feel certain we aren't firing him after this season, but he'll have to win 6 next year or it's over. And I still think we have an outside shot at 6 this year....but we will have to beat Texas for it to be possible.

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This.

Lebby had us in games last year against FL, UT, and UGA until their depth beat us. People don?t know that he had Creed practicing after he decided to sit out just to be a scout team player because we didn?t even have enough talented guys to field a scout team. That?s how bad it was.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

At the end of the day, QB play has cost us from being 6-1, 2-1 in conference.

Lebby called a game yesterday that had his QB been able to make some throws would?ve been a blow out. You can?t go on road and miss two wide open TDs and miss FGs and expect to win. Lebby should have never been in position to had to have call that play at the end. This will be a spring board for Lebby. Which it goes-up to him. A&M was just better than us. Lebby is a good coach.

I do have to start questioning the QB evals because he also wanted Arnold bad and Arnold May give you a bit of a runner but he has not impressed me throwing the ball. I just have hard time believing that KT or Luke K (whom people forget is the highest rated QB recruit we have ever had) can?t make some of these throws. We are in a tough position with Luke K-play him and he shows out KT bolts. He plays and sucks, why spend the money?

And to the moron who said they?d hire Charles Huff..the same Charles Huff who lost to Leb? We have some DA fans. Remember the ones who wanted Napier, Kevin Wilson, etc? And lastly, as 34 pointed out-who will pony up for all the buyouts the last few years? We have more money than people in our own fanbase give us credit for, I know that for fact. But unlike our pals up north, our fans don?t flaunt it or care enough about our sports to go all in. We have never been all in, it?s time to be all in and stop being cheap. Get this guy some players and he will be good for us.

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lol, real even match there for huff. Huff is 36-22 as a HC. He won his conf last season with 10 wins. he took over a one win program last season, and they're 4-2 (2-0).

Bottom line is we will argue about firing him at the end of this year or the end of next year. Either way, we are going to keep arguing about it because he's in way over his head (and he knows it).

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Bottom line is we will argue about firing him at the end of this year or the end of next year. Either way, we are going to keep arguing about it because he's in way over his head (and he knows it).

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He isn?t though?he called a game yesterday that should?ve had been a blow out had his players finished plays. Had his QB made the right read against UT in OT, he wins that game. Should be 6-1 right now, 2-1 in conference. And you all would be afraid we would lose him anyway.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

lol, real even match there for huff. Huff is 36-22 as a HC. He won his conf last season with 10 wins. he took over a one win program last season, and they're 4-2 (2-0).

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If he is as good of a coach as you say and Lebby is as bad of a coach as you, he should have beat him.

If I remember correctly, you said last night to funnel all the money to basketball because of Jans right? You have wanted Jans to be fired at least once a year every basketball season. Just do everyone a favor and shut up.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

If he is as good of a coach as you say and Lebby is as bad of a coach as you, he should have beat him.

If I remember correctly, you said last night to funnel all the money to basketball because of Jans right? You have wanted Jans to be fired at least once a year every basketball season. Just do everyone a favor and shut up.

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You'll see things my way on Black Friday. 20-game sec losing streak. We're chasing history... vandy had a 33 streak

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

Bottom line is we will argue about firing him at the end of this year or the end of next year. Either way, we are going to keep arguing about it because he's in way over his head (and he knows it).

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Come on. You don't make the jump from last year to this year being in over your head. Shapen, and to a lesser extent Ferrie, have us in this situation more than Lebby. And I'm going to say it, with Jackson Arnold we would be 6-1 right now, but he made his decision to be in Freeze's gimmick of an offense. Jackson Arnold is Blake Shapen with more speed. He fits better in Lebby's offense than Freeze's.