We're 0-12 under Lebby. We literally can't do worseQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
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We're 0-12 under Lebby. We literally can't do worseQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Listening to Matt Wyatt during some of the game. He was like us on confused on some of the go for its inside our own 40, when TX was lifeless.
Hoops says you dumb for thinking Lebby isn't a geniusQuote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
We aren't getting anyone. Our options are, lose with Lebby, or lose without him. It's that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Activated Alpha
Real devils advocate, the minute LSU cans Kelly, call him. He may not fit the Cajuns but we do not give a 17 about fit. Just win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
I would call Dan way before Kelly - that guy don't fit in here no more than he fit in BRQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Dan is obviously the first call, if he will take it. That is what some are not understanding. Dan is not all that keen on coming back here because he does have good memories. He does not want it to go badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
I wouldn?t touch us with a 50ft pole. We refuse to fill up the stadium. We barely support the program compared to our league. Our facilities are the worst in the conference. Our NIL is just no where near it needs to be, we are a stepping stone for talent. It?s a hard sell for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
It is because 30% of our fanbase only cares about a non revenue sport. Which hey, that is fine. Spend your money on what you want to spend it on but we are wanting $5 results with .50 cent investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
When did our attendance take the significant dive? Moorhead ?
The Florida MSU game his first year I thought we had good attendance.
Or was it Covid that once many found other things to do just did not come back.
You just laid out the Missippy Tate way of thinking perfectly. Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
no f'ing way that I call Kelly and no one with a brain would either. LSU screwed the pooch hiring him, he was getting ready to retire from ND when LSU offered more money than he could imagine. Kelly will be gone before then end of the year and return up north where he fits inQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The SEC is also showing that even the teams with lots of talent will struggle 8-9 SEC weekends to bring their A game and emotion. We let TX into this game late with emotion when we had them down.
I get NIL and it matters, but every year there will be games for the taking, where our guys are just up , and jump on a team before they can get going.
I think the 9 game schedule will make it even more that way.
State ain?t winning crap in the SEC without at least an SEC level coach and an SEC level offensive line. So we need to ?hire? both or get out of the SEC and play at the level of our coaching hires and offensive line recruitment.
GHell no. Call Fritz before LSU Does.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Lebby will lead us.
We are on the way.
I just fear where he is leading us. I am all for patience when exactly no one else is in this day and age of college football but we have to start winning. Progress and getting better has to yield results and right now it is not. I like Jeff and I think he is a great guy and an elite OC. But at some point you have to be the HC. Right now he is operating as an HC like an OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
Yep. With Lebby at the helm, State is on the way to 4-8 and another 0-8 SEC slate while watching our arch rivals not only qualify for the playoffs but likely be a top 6 seed on OUR damn Football Field in front of about 25,000 Rebel fans!
And because our admin is so damn cheap, instead of going out and paying a guy similar to Kiffin $8-9 million, we will give Lebby an extension and a raise to $5 million and go 3-9(0-9) next year to set the SEC record for consecutive losses and consecutive years without an SEC win!
You will not get a guy similar to Kiffin. So you can put that thought to bed. If we offered 8-9 mil we would get someone in the neighborhood of Shane Beamer. You want someone in the neighborhood of a Kiffin, Drinwitz, etc. it will be a MINIMUM of 12-13. So staff included that is a 20 mil a year buy in with a fan base that has a way larger than it needs to be percentage of people that care more about what food is on the grill during a fall ball scrimmage at Dudy Noble than getting an elite QB out of the portal or getting 2 stud DTsQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Kiffin was just a successful HC at FaU when they got him. We need to get successful HC at a smaller school. Mullen was nice and all, but we're 0-3 on the hiring successful cood sinceQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We beat Tennessee and the stadium would stay full. Winning curesQuote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
He would be back here tomorrowQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We were 4-0 then and it wasn?t even close to full. Our people stay away in droves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
That is one of the main reasons that we are not a more successful program. Don?t get me wrong we have some great fans, but not nearly the number the other SEC schools have outside Vandy. We don?t have a large enough alumni base that cares much about football. A lot of this can be contributed to the fact we have never been good in football for extended periods of time. Also, our school draws more the outdoorsman type student who prefer those type of activities besides going to a football game. We have proven with Mullen we can fill a stadium and be just as great as other fanbases when we have exceptionally good years like 2010 and 2014 and 2017 and the fan base is pulling in the same direction. That has not been the case since Mullen left because our ADs keep making mistake after mistake with their football coaching hires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Scoob you forgot these ****Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
AD, singular, that?s the one that landed us in this recurring shit show.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
There is no way you can deny enormous progress has been made this season. I feel your frustration over dumb decisions but we are light years ahead of last year... the problem is it's not always measured in wins. We have been competitive in every game except 1 ... Lebby will learn and improve just the same as how he has improved this team in only one year. Pour another and contemplate this as I know you to be a very rational poster.... And again, I understand but tomorrow when emotions subside and objective reasoning sets in I'm sure as a MSU fan you will reboot as we have done time and again.... Here's to expecting next year to change this perspective that is so hard to deal with. I know you have been a patient supporter and a voice of reason so don't give up on the optimistic bunch of us now lolQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Stop comparing him to 2024 when he was the coach!Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
If you want to argue that he's better than Arnett in 2023, you can do that, but it's not vast improvement.
If Dan Mullen is remotely halfway partly interested you call him right now
You 100% have to reach out and see. Can you imagine KT in the Mullen offense, with a roster built by NIL rather than Mullen's recruiting skills?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
If you can't see the difference he's made then you're just not paying attention....we were in the abyss last year and now we're competitiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
That statement isn't false, I just don't think he should get much credit for improving on his own bad performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Like imagine if you were complete dogѕhit at work for the next week, and then the following week were kinda bad but "improved" -- do you think your boss would give you credit for the improvement when the bar should have never been so low in the first place?
I know that Lebby walked into a tough situation, but it wasn't "get humiliated at home by the 6th best team in MAC" bad.
There are times I feel this way , but the reality is our team is 100X better than last year:
Lebby has to get credit for that.
No, he doesn't have to get credit for getting out of a hole he helped dig. We were probably destined to be bad last year no matter what, but most coaches wouldn't have gotten blown out by Toledo.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
If you want to give him credit for improving on Arnett's 2023 season, that's fair.
Ok I get it but don't forget that replacing last years team IS a big part of that performance that you speak ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Key question - is Lebby doing something to personally shakedown the NIL donors that other coaches wouldn't do?
Assuming the answer is no, then I don't give Lebby much credit for improving our roster, since it's all about money nowadays. If Brent Vigen or someone else were our head coach, they would presumably have the same access to NIL funds to bring in players they want.
Progress
It is undeniable
Texas toyed with us last year.
This year we should have won.