Joe Castiglione to retire; Selmon favored to replace him as OU AD

Tater says that our AD is gone. Who do we hire now?

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Originally Posted by Pancho

Tater says that our AD is gone. Who do we hire now?

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I hear there is a guy named Larry with MSU connections who is well thought of in Birmingham. Maybe we should give him a shot??***

I’ll do it for 200k and guarantee you 4-8 in football. Where do I sign?

I agree with Steve that I would go after Wren Baker. He has done well at WVU and has a lot of success for his age

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

He's not the favorite. There's 4 or 5 names above his accd to some OU people. He's on the list, but he's not at the top of it. They'd have to strike out on some candidates before. And unlike when he interviewed for our job, they already know him. There's nothing he's going to do to blow them away like he did our people.

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The opening created by OU filling their job is the one I was told tonight to be wary of by a Bryan Building higher up.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So Tater you are pretty plugged into OU, what are their thoughts on Castiglione leaving? Is this a they are glad he is gone situation? Is he getting out before he has to make tough decisions on coaches? Did this shock them?

Also, what do you think his legacy will be? He got pretty lucky that he really only ever had to hire one football coach because Stoops gift wrapped his other two football hires. He obviously had some NCAA problems with Kelvin Sampson but Sampson had already left so he never had to make tough decisions on that. And obviously the biggest thing, he got them into the SEC. Seems like a great legacy. The Riley to Venables thing could be the only thing I see people being able to hold against him.

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Been known it was coming - just a little earlier than anticipated. 27 years as an AD is a great run. There were whispers of wondering if NIL was passing him up; however, no one really entertained that thought. OU has had a phenomenal run in many sports under him. That stability is cherished. He'll always be revered in OU.

Even in the what have you done for me lately space - everyone was sold on BV. I think the Arbuckle hire will do wonders and OU will be very competitive this year. Hate we missed them on this two cycle, but I don't think we'd beat much of anyone last year even with our schedule.

@Pancho - I didn't say he was leaving. I said he's favored for this job. Ultimately, it's up to people way above our pay grade to make the decision. But early thoughts are Selmon. Part of why he took our gig was to actually build the resume when this time came so that it would be seamless. Joe just is about 2 years early for Selmon's ideal timeline.

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Originally Posted by Tater

I'd be happy to keep Selmon. But Hocutt is 2, Selmon is 1. Yes there are a couple significant money people that have it the other way. They were the ones that wanted Lebby gone sooner than the end of the season in 23*. It was no secret Lebby knew he had to find somewhere else to be for 24. We threw him a life raft. But that won't matter.

Michael Alford has done nothing of note for FSU that inspires confidence like what Hocutt and Selmon have pulled off the last two years. He's an alternate choice if those spurn OU. (It would be a shock and a huge boon for us if Selmon declined the job.)

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I married into a Big OU family and this is dead on from what I hear

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Originally Posted by Tater

Been known it was coming - just a little earlier than anticipated. 27 years as an AD is a great run. There were whispers of wondering if NIL was passing him up; however, no one really entertained that thought. OU has had a phenomenal run in many sports under him. That stability is cherished. He'll always be revered in OU.

Even in the what have you done for me lately space - everyone was sold on BV. I think the Arbuckle hire will do wonders and OU will be very competitive this year. Hate we missed them on this two cycle, but I don't think we'd beat much of anyone last year even with our schedule.

@Pancho - I didn't say he was leaving. I said he's favored for this job. Ultimately, it's up to people way above our pay grade to make the decision. But early thoughts are Selmon. Part of why he took our gig was to actually build the resume when this time came so that it would be seamless. Joe just is about 2 years early for Selmon's ideal timeline.

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I actually am glad we missed on them tbh. I think Arnold or Hawkins would've killed us last year just simply running the ball and I'm really high on Arbuckle so I'd be very worried about what he and Mateer would do to us this year. I actually think we'll be catching them at a good time next year. We know that Arbuckle is probably there one year and will get a HC job and it's like you said earlier in the thread, can Venables keep making OC hires? I think the answer is no. I think he struck lightning in a bottle with Arbuckle. He got lucky that Dickert up and took the Wake job and pounced on the opportunity to get Arbuckle. I think if the Pac 12 was still a thing, I don't know if they pull that off. Because they only got Mateer because of Arbuckle.

Arbuckle is going to get humbled this year. Not sure what his HC shot is going to be next season. Maybe he can go get a big PAC (8) 12 job.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I can't believe they'd put that much stock in a baseball hire. Most of them couldn't find their baseball stadium if they were standing in front of it. I'm not lying about this, I was sitting by a group of OU fans at the basketball game this year and none of them, of which there were 6, knew who the baseball coach even was. And these weren't students or sidewalk fans, to my knowledge. They dressed well and looked to be very knowledgeable about OU. Knew about Porter Moser and gave me the scoop on the Mateer/Arbuckle stuff and how that went down.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Yep. Selmon name carries massive weight here.

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Man, look I'm far from a Selmon hater, but what's he done exactly? I'm totally clueless on NIL, so that could be it. New lights at the stadium, ok. Top of the line BBall coach? Phenomenal! But give any AD that salary range and potential NIL, couldn't anyone have done that too... even with the non-Target situation in S'ville (rolling eyes emoji)

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

I'm totally clueless on NIL, so that could be it.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Man, look I'm far from a Selmon hater, but what's he done exactly? I'm totally clueless on NIL, so that could be it. New lights at the stadium, ok. Top of the line BBall coach? Phenomenal! But give any AD that salary range and potential NIL, couldn't anyone have done that too... even with the non-Target situation in S'ville (rolling eyes emoji)

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Selmon has the name Selmon. That's why. His name carries serious weight around there. The plan has always been for Zac to take over but they knew he needed head chair experience. They were never going to just promote him. Now look, we may survive this time. Their president may decide that they are getting Kirby Hocutt no matter what or they'll go out of the box, far less likely. But look, there is going to come a day where Zac Selmon will be the director of athletics at Oklahoma.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Selmon has the name Selmon.

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Got it. Somewhat like Felker... until it wasn't??

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Yes.

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Okay. But any youngish AD has got it now, so Cohen is probably the exception, not the rule.

Thus... if we lose Selmon, what have we lost exactly?

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Got it. Somewhat like Felker... until it wasn't??



Okay. But any youngish AD has got it now, so Cohen is probably the exception, not the rule.

Thus... if we lose Selmon, what have we lost exactly?

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Manning at Ole Miss if Peyton would've gone to Ole Miss is probably a more apt comparison.

Lucious, Lee Roy, and Dewey Selmon all played at Oklahoma and all went on to the NFL. Lee Roy was the number 1 pick of the 76 draft. Lucious ended up coaching on Barry Switzer's staff and was the lead recruiter for Marcus Dupree. And Dewey, Zac's father, played for the Bucs with Lee Roy and had a 6 year pro career.

yeah- the Selmon's are royalty at OU

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Got it. Somewhat like Felker... until it wasn't??



Okay. But any youngish AD has got it now, so Cohen is probably the exception, not the rule.

Thus... if we lose Selmon, what have we lost exactly?

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We've lost a somewhat known quantity. We know Selmon won't **** up baseball. That matters here lmao.

But this not a thread discussing "should" we care about him leaving or not. This is an informative thread / not really speculative.

I'll post more when I hear more.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Man, look I'm far from a Selmon hater, but what's he done exactly? I'm totally clueless on NIL, so that could be it. New lights at the stadium, ok. Top of the line BBall coach? Phenomenal! But give any AD that salary range and potential NIL, couldn't anyone have done that too... even with the non-Target situation in S'ville (rolling eyes emoji)

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Most "in the know" posters on this site have told us Selmon didn't have shit to do with the baseball hire.

Salmon is likely gone which is expected. In any case, the days of Oklahoma football as they've known it are over.

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Originally Posted by BravesDoggy

O'Connor for MSU AD!!!!

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"Call Me"

Pete Thamel basically told us it was going to be Selmon. Retiring AD to stay on to help with the transition? No OU connections but Selmon is clearly gone.

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Originally Posted by Tater

We've lost a somewhat known quantity. We know Selmon won't **** up baseball. That matters here lmao.

But this not a thread discussing "should" we care about him leaving or not. This is an informative thread / not really speculative.

I'll post more when I hear more.

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I think you got a little recognition this morning on Bo's show.

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Hocutt is off the list. OU isn't going to get in a pissing match with Cody over him.

The Cast "transition" plan is still being ironed out and will look different based on who the hire is. How involved he is and what not.

Names in the mix:

1. Selmon
2. Wren Baker - WVU
3. Jeremiah Dickey - Boise
4. Terri Mojahir - UCF

"Youth" is the coded term being thrown around as the hangup for some on hiring him. Given the age demographic of those throwing around this coded term it's not as... black and white... as Selmon just being youthful. - This is purely my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.

Best guess - if Cast stays on for multiple years then it's Selmon's job.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Update:

Hocutt is off the list. OU isn't going to get in a pissing match with Cody over him.

The Cast "transition" plan is still being ironed out and will look different based on who the hire is. How involved he is and what not.

Names in the mix:

1. Selmon
2. Wren Baker - WVU
3. Jeremiah Dickey - Boise
4. Terri Mojahir - UCF

"Youth" is the coded term being thrown around as the hangup for some on hiring him. Given the age demographic of those throwing around this coded term it's not as... black and white... as Selmon just being youthful. - This is purely my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.

Best guess - if Cast stays on for multiple years then it's Selmon's job.

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That's interesting since "black and white" is the big issue that a lot of our Zac haters have issue with as well.

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Originally Posted by BravesDoggy

That's interesting since "black and white" is the big issue that a lot of our Zac haters have issue with as well.

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Explain please.

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Originally Posted by BravesDoggy

That's interesting since "black and white" is the big issue that a lot of our Zac haters have issue with as well.

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I've literally never heard or read one person say that.

I think 99% of our fans approve of him. Including the ones like me who were hesitant about him. Other than spending 7 figures on a makeover to his office, I have really come to appreciate what he's done here.

Also, JC was encouraged by OK to go ahead and step down, staying on in an advisory role through 2028. He's aged and the times have passed him by.

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Originally Posted by BravesDoggy

That's interesting since "black and white" is the big issue that a lot of our Zac haters have issue with as well.

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Gonna disagree here. It may be "some" but it damn sure aint "a lot"

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Gonna disagree here. It may be "some" but it damn sure aint "a lot"

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If he's race baiting.... then yeah. I agree with you. I'm in the group that questioned his ability 100% for a while, but race has never come up in any of the conversations I've had with Selmon supporters or non supporters.

Race pimps gonna race pimp. Gotta keep it alive!!!

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Other than spending 7 figures on a makeover to his office.

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How does one do this? Did he buy a bunch of artwork? How does the total reach that dollar amount on a remodeled office?

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

How does one do this? Did he buy a bunch of artwork? How does the total reach that dollar amount on a remodeled office?

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Said it was a lot more than just his office in the Bryant Building in an extensive thread on the pack.

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Originally Posted by BravesDoggy

That's interesting since "black and white" is the big issue that a lot of our Zac haters have issue with as well.

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Hard disagree here. Our issue was that we went inexperienced in a time where we needed experience. And then did the same in football. Then some people also want to bitch about which logo we use, but they always exist.

There's minimal to none of this prevalent in the State circles that I've travelled. Much less than you would think if you're an outsider looking at "Mississippi State". That's why any of them I bring down are shocked at how welcoming the campus is. It feels like home for everyone.

OU on the other hand.... (and to an even further extent, Texsa and OM)


I mean let's just look at which school's have had a non-white head coach in the SEC.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Hard disagree here. Our issue was that we went inexperienced in a time where we needed experience. And then did the same in football. Then some people also want to bitch about which logo we use, but they always exist.

There's minimal to none of this prevalent in the State circles that I've travelled. Much less than you would think if you're an outsider looking at "Mississippi State". That's why any of them I bring down are shocked at how welcoming the campus is. It feels like home for everyone.

OU on the other hand.... (and to an even further extent, Texsa and OM)


I mean let's just look at which school's have had a non-white head coach in the SEC.

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We were also one of the first SEC football teams to integrate and we all know about Croom.

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Originally Posted by BravesDoggy

That's interesting since "black and white" is the big issue that a lot of our Zac haters have issue with as well.

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Idiotic fake news take. No one gives a rip about color. Just win.