van Buren-can't hold Kamarios jock. Van Buren tried to back into the end zone from the 1 yard line.. He was scared. You will never hear of Him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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van Buren-can't hold Kamarios jock. Van Buren tried to back into the end zone from the 1 yard line.. He was scared. You will never hear of Him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Our home slate is:Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Arizona St
Tenn
Texas
Georgia
Mississippi
It's unlikely we win 2 of those. 3 has no chance. 1 is most likely and 0 is very possible
I have no idea if you are right or wrong but I appreciate a hard take like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
ASU, Tennessee, Ole MissQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm not trying to down Kamario or prop up Van Buren, because I do think Kamario will have the better career, but what is your reasoning behind this take? Kamario was playing against Shannon and Kemper Co last year while Van Buren was holding his own against Ole Miss and Georgia. Saying Kamario is better is nothing more than an opinion at this point. There are no stats to back that up. So to say he's so much better is a crazy take when we've never seen the guy take a snap at this level. Kind of like when people were anointing Tyler Russell the savior back in 2009-2011. Russell was a fine QB but he was never beating out Relf and couldn't beat out Dak when Dak was still learning how to play QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
And before people jump down my throat saying I'm comparing Kamario Taylor to Tyler Russell, I'm not. I'm saying the hype that is around him right now, from our fan base, without ever taking a college snap is similar to when Russell was coming in.
This is the correct take on this tread. The kid has talent but doesn't even know how to play QB in D1 yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Remember, you wanted the Qb from Oklahoma over Van BurenQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Yea......still would take him over Van Buren due to knowledge of the system. I have no idea what part he plays in this. The point I was making was that we are calling a kid, who's never taken a collegiate snap, head and shoulders better than a kid that has 7 games of SEC experience under his belt. You can't make that statement in anything other than opinion. He may be better, I personally think he's going to be better, but we don't know that yet. Let's let the kid take a few snaps first. These same people that are saying Kamario is the best QB we have ever had said Keytaon Thompson was the best QB we've ever had and Chris Parson(still no S) was going to be a multi year SEC starter. They also were some of the same ones saying we needed to start Dam Williams over Fitzgerald.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Not gonna happen. I dont see a way for us to get to 6 wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I think it is fair to say that the ceiling for Kamario is much higher than Van Buren's.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Van Buren made some mistakes you wouldn't see a 4A HS QB make. Like getting a delay of game penalty at least once a game. I don't remember the worst QB's from the Croom era doing that. Now, yes, I am harping on that but it just felt like he had a lack of feel for a lot of things.
Kamario on the other hand is basically built like a NFL QB and we'll see what he can do in live action. I just have a lot more confidence in him and to be fair- I really like Kroemenhoek a lot and I personally like Kamario better than him.
It just seems to me like Kamario has the potential to be a guy that can be an accurate downfield passer like what Tennessee had a couple of years ago and also has the ability to make plays with his legs as well. Van Buren to me just feels like an athlete playing QB.
To be fair though- some of those QB's didn't pan out in part because of coaching changes. And Parson had an injury and just hasn't been able to really shake it.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
And I'll say this- I would love to have Sawyer Robertson back.
HEY! Don?t bring facts into this, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Yes. Glad you wrote it out so I didn?t have to.
Dude-- Ray Charles can see Taylor is way better than Van Buren. I noticed you picked 2 of the worst teams Noxubee played. The beat a Louisville team that had not lost in 3 years. They played Starkville-West Point and all the best teams in the playoffs. If You put Taylor at the 1 yard line He will score, He won't turn his back to the line and try to back in. He is Kin to Omarr, he has the blood line. Have you even watched Him play a game? Your opinion is based off of what?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
True. But you roll with the pieces you have. Shapen is better day 1. K may be ready if he took all first string snaps leading into the SEC schedule. I still say, Shapen is the horse in my mind. Dude was pretty dang good before the injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Yea. This whole conversation is a moot point. Shapen is better Day 1 and will lead the team from Day 1. Through 4 games last year Blake was:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
74/108, 974 yds, 8 TDs, 1 INT, 68.5% completion percentage.
You put that over the whole year and that is around 3K yds, 20+ TDs, and less than 5 INTs which is almost to a T what Dillon Gabriel was his first year at OU with Lebby. I would expect we see Blake take a similar jump this year.
I watched him play 4-5 times last year and 1-2 the year before that. He is extremely talented, which I have said multiple times in this thread and said multiple times last year as well. Hell I even said he was better than Van Buren. But you are trying to compare a kid who has played in the conference to a kid that hasn't. We do not know what he will be until he takes the field and has 300 lb SEC d lineman breathing down his neck. The talent is off the charts for Taylor, no doubt about it. He has good mechanics, a good build, and knows how to move in the pocket. But at the end of the day, it is different playing 3A ball in the MHSAA than it is in the SEC. Hell, even Jeffrey struggled with consistency early on as a Freshman and he was a damn 5 star no doubt about it prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
It's also a moot point because either Taylor or Kromenhauk will likely get their opportunity this season. We know the odds of Shapen making it more than halfway through the season is less than 50/50. I will be shocked if our backups don't end up starting multiple games this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Rusell was probably the first legit QB talent that we had on campus in many of these younger dudes lifetimes. And I'm just talking skill at throwing the football. Unfortunately for Tyler, he just didn't fit in Mullen's scheme. He could have shattered the MSU record books if he had come along in 2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I think Shapen will play in every game this year and have decent looking stats. Just a gut feeling.
Also, did you know he's 24?
Russell's biggest issue was he just wasn't very accurate over 20 yards downfield. I can't tell you the number of times I saw him overthrow open receivers down the field that were open and likely could have scored. By Dak's senior year he was way more accurate on all his throws than. Tyler ever was.Quote:
Originally Posted by BravesDoggy
I would not hate to the see them start Alcorn honestly. No reason to let Blake take unnecessary hits and we can beat them with either Kromenhoek or Taylor. Also love to see us get up early on USM and NIU and get Blake out of those by the 4th quarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I do think Blake will be healthier this year. The good news is that the shoulder thing was not something he dealt with at Baylor. So it is not a recurring thing. From everything I have heard, we are going to be running a lot of the offense we were running at the end of the year. Focus on our strengths with the running backs and take shots when they are there. Ala 2021 Ole Miss offense
Magic happening this fall!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
what % of the playbook will Kamario have mastered by the fall?
I see your side, but with how many new pieces we have at WR I think we need all the in game live action no matter how bad the competition with Blake and the WR group.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
That being said, do we have any idea who emerged at WR in the spring? That is my biggest concern offensively, I think OL will be ok
Unless you have 3-4 starters returning on the OL- every OL needs 3-4 weeks to really gelQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Playing Arizona St so early will be a test of whose OL gels quick enough
We should have been cowards and bought out of the Arizona State game.
I still am skeptical we'll go 2-6 in the SEC, but it's a lot easier to see than 3-5.
We almost beat them on the road last year and they don't have Honey Boo Boo back at RB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
We were extremely ill prepared against ASU last year, but we did make good 2nd half adjustments. We just dug ourselves too big of a hole. We need to play a mistake free game, but I think beating ASU at home is possible and would really help start to get people on board that we could make a bowl game
I go back to three plays that turned that game on it's head:Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
1. The second play of the game, Shapen drops one in the bucket to Seydou down the sideline and he just drops it. He scores on that play or is inside the redzone. Instead we go 3 and out.
2. The OPI on Craver. He either scored or we had the ball inside the 10. Instead we're backed up inside our own 10. Which leads me to point 3.
3. The very next play, Shapen tries to make too much happen instead of eating it and taking a sack and he fumbles, which leads to a scoop and score.
I expect us to be much improved, not sure how many games we will win but our staff should be better prepared as the players. It's much harder rebuilding a football team than a basketball and baseball team, look at the numbers of players, it just takes more time to build. If you look across the country or even the world you will see more kids play baseball and basketball.
This. You can't redshirt talented players anymore. As soon as one of our players shows anything resembling high end talent, they're being tapped up by bigger, richer programs and leaving. Look no further than MVB leaving to ride the bench at LSU. If Taylor has the highest ceiling, then start him and live with the growing pains. We'll have him two years max before he bolts for Texas, Bama, UGA, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
I wouldn't be surprised if MVB transfers again. With Kamario he wasn't our starter long term. And I don't see him starting at LSU either unless he changes positions.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
LSU didnt pay him a million for no reason. He could easily be the starter for them in 26. He is pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I think he's too plain for LSU and is there as window dressing only.
I don't see him starting at LSU, could be wrong though. I see him putting some good practice film on tape and some blowout games on tape and transferring back closer to the DMV. Somewhere like Maryland or UVA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
he is an average QB at best. he will never Start for a good team.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
You thought Arnett and Lemonis were good coaches too. He's not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I said Arnett was a good defensive coach. Never said he was a goof HC.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
Lemon has a natty. Nuff said
So does Orgeron and Les Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34