Bottom 6 out of 16 teams in every. single. sport.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

OM on thir way to the Sweet 16, too. Fml...

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Think there'll be a domestic violence segment in the Sweet 16 pregame??!!?? *****

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Think there'll be a domestic violence segment in the Sweet 16 pregame??!!?? *****

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

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Character is a fluid concept in the Grove. *******

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Character is a fluid concept in the Grove. *******

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Lots of fluids are "fluid" in the grove, no doubt***

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Lots of fluids are "fluid" in the grove, no doubt***

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LOL!!

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

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Culture makes the S16. We should really stop caring about this crap. Just go win. Weird thing is no one will be talking about allegations tonight.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Culture makes the S16. We should really stop caring about this crap. Just go win. Weird thing is no one will be talking about allegations tonight.

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I get your point Steve. But to say Beard's situation was mere allegations is distorting the truth at a high level.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

I get your point Steve. But to say Beard's situation was mere allegations is distorting the truth at a high level.

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Does not matter. Was he ever convicted??? The answer is no btw. That is all that matters. It is all just allegations after that. Guess who else has allegations we are too scared to hire…..Art Briles. But damn allegations. All it is. Just BS

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Does not matter. Was he ever convicted??? The answer is no btw. That is all that matters. It is all just allegations after that. Guess who else has allegations we are too scared to hire…..Art Briles. But damn allegations. All it is. Just BS

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The ONLY reason he was not convicted is because the victim would not testify for the prosecution. This happens a lot in domestic violence. But there's no denying the physical evidence on the scene.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Meanwhile OM is a top 16 team nationally in all 3 sports. Damn, they're superior to us in all the sports

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No-they?re masters at selling their propaganda and having people believe it. Our own fans. There is more money at State than there, our alum just don?t flash or talk about it. They?d rather go unknown. Ole Miss has gotten the by in from the middle level guys whereas, as we have seen on our boards, we?d argue about what is right and wrong. And those who decide they don?t want to help the cause continue to gripe.

Until we all get on same page and start believing you can build something in Starkville (and you can. Mullen showed it, Cohen/Cann showed it, Jans and Stans showed it) we will continue to believe the news of ?poor farmers?, ?red necks?, ?can?t win?. It?s all bs that our fans believe. We can and have to do better. It starts with Mark and Zach but it goes all the way down to the last of us. We have yo end the good ole boy network that has plagued us for so long and clamoring ?attendance records? and ?feeding other teams?. I?m tired of being nice-I?m ready to start winning and competing in everything. Living in Bama and Auburn territory does that to you.

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Their culture beat Bama and UT and is in the sweet 16. I?d take a S16 right now.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

The strength of the SEC in hoops is the only thing keeping our fan base from the absolute pits of hell right now.

This is exactly what I feared when NIL and transfer portal crap kicked in. We don't have the brains or the dollars in our athletic program to avoid being in the cellar. And unfortunately I don't have any solutions or ideas without an influx of major funds that we just don't have.

Not good, boys. We need coaches that can do more with less. Jans is worth keeping bc we can do no better. Lemonis is a dead man rolling, and Lebby is yet to be determined but he's playing with a hand and foot tied behind his back compared to the rest of the league in football money.

I have never cared less about MSU athletics, and I doubt I'm the only one. I hate what college sports has become, and I don't see it going back to a good place, but time will tell. Does anyone have any suggestions on how State can overcome this and keep us from being dead last in all sports within a few years? I am at a loss, and those that know me know I've never been short on thoughts and suggestions for MSU sports.

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This is an honest post. The NIL is taking this brand name and identity on a path to the underworld.

I will not be part of a program where winning trumps character and values. I am proud of my university and always have been. If winning demands that to change in this new environment, I'm out.

And Cohen fired Cann for texting in the dugout. Way too harsh. Should have just been handled in-house.

We would have 3 natty's with Cann by now.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

I will not be part of a program where winning trumps character and values. I am proud of my university and always have been. If winning demands that to change in this new environment, I'm out.

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Cool. Dont let the door hit ya where split ya.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

I will not be part of a program where winning trumps character and values. I am proud of my university and always have been. If winning demands that to change in this new environment, I'm out.

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What were your thoughts on Luke Hancock then?

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Cool. Dont let the door hit ya where split ya.

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Yeah well, until you're the one in charge. Until then, you're merely an outlier with a minority opinion. But thanks for playing.

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Originally Posted by Skydawg1

And Cohen fired Cann for texting in the dugout. Way too harsh. Should have just been handled in-house.

We would have 3 natty's with Cann by now.

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Cohen did what good leaders do. Apply consequences for poor behavior.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Yeah well, until you're the one in charge. Until then, you're merely an outlier with a minority opinion. But thanks for playing.

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unfortunately, i believe the minority on this issue one is you Mr. Gayton

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Originally Posted by DDawg

unfortunately, i believe the minority on this issue one is you Mr. Gayton

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Unfortunately, that does not make you right. So there's nowhere else to go with this.

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Originally Posted by Skydawg1

And Cohen fired Cann for texting in the dugout. Way too harsh. Should have just been handled in-house.

We would have 3 natty's with Cann by now.

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The players wanted Canz gone. There was a lot more than just texting there.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Yeah well, until you're the one in charge. Until then, you're merely an outlier with a minority opinion. But thanks for playing.

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And we will continue to lose and they will win. But hey, morality Olympics!!!! Those pretend gold medals will look great right beside all our other pretend trophies. Go win. No one gives a shit what you do on the way there. Or at least that is how winners think. Then again, we are not winners. So maybe we do not think like that.

I like when we have a coach that is a likeable guy, but I like winning more. We don't pay coaches to be good dudes. Reminds me an awful lot of the Presidential races....any time someone says, "but he just doesn't seem like a nice guy", I'm sorry but most of the best leaders the world has ever seen weren't great dudes. Sometimes it takes being not a great dude to make some of the decisions it takes to win the damn war.
How much are the talking heads talking about Beard and Kiffin's past right now? Ole Miss fans and AD have the mindset of "we aren't marrying the guy, we are just hiring the best guy to win games"....and that's exactly what is happening. Meanwhile we have a likeable plump little bucket sitter destroying our baseball program and a likeable AD unwilling to fire his ass....but at least they're likeable, right?

We are in the most competitive conference in amateur athletics, and half of our fan base acts like we are Mississippi College or Belhaven. And we wonder why we can't overcome our financial issues.....we couldn't win if we had A&M's money bc we are too nice.

Ole Miss is a bunch of pricks. But they know it, own it, and are the pricks sitting in the Top 16 in pretty much every sport. Not saying it's right, just saying it's facts.

The premise that winning and character/values are mutually exclusive is false.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

The players wanted Canz gone. There was a lot more than just texting there.

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I've heard that, and I just have a hard time believing it. I mean, TA came to State because of Cann. And HE wanted CANN gone? No. Jake? Maybe, but Jake stuck around. Rowdy?

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Originally Posted by Skydawg1

I've heard that, and I just have a hard time believing it. I mean, TA came to State because of Cann. And HE wanted CANN gone? No. Jake? Maybe, but Jake stuck around. Rowdy?

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TA did not want Cann gone. Jake did, but then again he busted Jake for that pesky coke habit he had. Rowdy was the same as TA.

Jake was not the choir boy some want to believe he was. Neither was Mac and hell neither was TA or Rowdy.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I like when we have a coach that is a likeable guy, but I like winning more. We don't pay coaches to be good dudes. Reminds me an awful lot of the Presidential races....any time someone says, "but he just doesn't seem like a nice guy", I'm sorry but most of the best leaders the world has ever seen weren't great dudes. Sometimes it takes being not a great dude to make some of the decisions it takes to win the damn war.
How much are the talking heads talking about Beard and Kiffin's past right now? Ole Miss fans and AD have the mindset of "we aren't marrying the guy, we are just hiring the best guy to win games"....and that's exactly what is happening. Meanwhile we have a likeable plump little bucket sitter destroying our baseball program and a likeable AD unwilling to fire his ass....but at least they're likeable, right?

We are in the most competitive conference in amateur athletics, and half of our fan base acts like we are Mississippi College or Belhaven. And we wonder why we can't overcome our financial issues.....we couldn't win if we had A&M's money bc we are too nice.

Ole Miss is a bunch of pricks. But they know it, own it, and are the pricks sitting in the Top 16 in pretty much every sport. Not saying it's right, just saying it's facts.

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This.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

The strength of the SEC in hoops is the only thing keeping our fan base from the absolute pits of hell right now.

This is exactly what I feared when NIL and transfer portal crap kicked in. We don't have the brains or the dollars in our athletic program to avoid being in the cellar. And unfortunately I don't have any solutions or ideas without an influx of major funds that we just don't have.

Not good, boys. We need coaches that can do more with less. Jans is worth keeping bc we can do no better. Lemonis is a dead man rolling, and Lebby is yet to be determined but he's playing with a hand and foot tied behind his back compared to the rest of the league in football money.

I have never cared less about MSU athletics, and I doubt I'm the only one. I hate what college sports has become, and I don't see it going back to a good place, but time will tell. Does anyone have any suggestions on how State can overcome this and keep us from being dead last in all sports within a few years? I am at a loss, and those that know me know I've never been short on thoughts and suggestions for MSU sports.

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What is happening is just about what I expected. We are who and where we are.

I totally agree

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Haha, it's so awful being a State fan.

I actually got excited for the weekend....State in the dance, the baseball team with a chance at erasing last weekend with a good road series, the women dancing (not that I really remembered)....

And what happens? Basketball team lays another turd in a big moment, baseball team sucks, ole miss women's AND men's team to the sweet 16, and their baseball team sweeps Mizzou on the road. And our one bright spot was women's hoops, and their reward is to be utterly embarrassed tomorrow night.

Yet another reason why people are becoming apathetic. Not only do most of our programs suck, they always find a way to ruin even the most exciting possible weekends. Our fans are very rarely rewarded with a good win in a big moment.

Hello darkness, my old friend.

Just glad I don't care as much anymore. Now if we happen to upset someone I just record it and watch the replay instead of putting myself through hours of investment to be disappointed

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Dude I have watched the Memphis BBall game I recorded 50 times in the last 2 months. It is all I have right now.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

What were your thoughts on Luke Hancock then?

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I missed it what Happened with Hancock

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

TA did not want Cann gone. Jake did, but then again he busted Jake for that pesky coke habit he had. Rowdy was the same as TA.

Jake was not the choir boy some want to believe he was. Neither was Mac and hell neither was TA or Rowdy.

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Pump the brakes on that. A college kid having a sniff here and there at a party is extremely common and to say this on a message board like the dude was a crackhead is messed up. Jake is a great dude.

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I missed it what Happened with Hancock

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https://www.clarionledger.com/story/...rt/1196732002/

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

Pump the brakes on that. A college kid having a sniff here and there at a party is extremely common and to say this on a message board like the dude was a crackhead is messed up. Jake is a great dude.

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Our team had a coke problem. Jake was involved in it. Cann cleaned it up and kicked guys off the team and it stopped. That's the story.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

The players wanted Canz gone. There was a lot more than just texting there.

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Was there ever! Guy had it by the shorties and 17ed it up.

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https://www.clarionledger.com/story/...rt/1196732002/

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this is total bs on luke. he is now married to her.

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

The premise that winning and character/values are mutually exclusive is false.

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Yes it is.

Too many have the idea that you must cheat or sell out to win and and ready and willing to do it. Unfortunately most of society feels the same way.

To OP I'll add my 2 cents that I'm sure most will disagree.

While NIL and portal changed things short term I don't think the model for MSU to compete is any different than it used to be. We never were top in recruiting or getting top coaches in our history and still had pockets of success - Jackie and Mullen eras. So what is our formula?

1. Get smart, good respectable coaches. Leach was part of it but he was stubborn but he was close if he would have just adapted his O.

2. Get top talent in Miss. It may not be ranked high in nation but it will win games. And get the kids that want to be here. Yeah pay to play but we need some Bulldog True Maroon leaders in the locker room. We can all name some True Bulldogs that even today would stick it out for their school and still get paid.

3. Get smart on scheduling - like get some easy wins like OM does every year and put them all up front so we are 3-0 to build some excitement even if it is false like OM does. A month of positivity matters.

4. Invest in PR efforts, media, etc. Highlight our school, Starkville, etc. instead of our fans running it down all the time. We have some good stories to tell that make MSU a great place to be. I see it all the time from parents and kids of other schools that end up at MSU. MSU is doing a lot of stuff right. We are our own worst enemies.