Cam Ward opts out at halftime of bowl game today

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Coaches should start recruiting character. NIL contracts should include incentives/disincentives for bowl games, etc...

The kid took advantage of the system and he's the bad guy? The system is a joke. The people running it have and continue to be a joke. The NCAA is a toothless tiger. They will literally let people play college football for a decade now if someone threatens to get a lawyer involved. The NCAA needs to fold and be disbanded. And all the money they make (THAT THEY STILL REFUSE TO SHARE WITH THE ATHLETES) should be sent straight to charity. Disgusting organization profiting off the work of kids.

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The NCAA is shit for sure, but the big conferences share in this wholeheartedly. Pocketing huge amounts of money with bloated athletic departments funding ridiculous salaries. Greed and arrogance got in the way and now we have the shitshow that exists today. Think about the most money being spent in the portal are by teams desperate to not fall any further behind and remain relevant. This is driving the price up and up with no accountability and no end in sight. Hopefully this collapses upon itself and we reach some form of reasonable compromise to go forward.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Yeah this is the sad part. The state of college football is the test case of what happens when you turn over all the power to teenagers and kids in their early 20s.

He set a record, then deuced out on his team, which really isn't his team because he transferred there.

I know the model is what it is and we have to play the game to compete. But the reality is the game sucks as it currently is. And Ward bailing on his team, then being allowed on the sidelines to continue in some weird coaching and helping give signs role makes no sense to me and highlights just how bad things have gotten.

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shout out to lawyers and agents tool.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Tibbons

Basketball. NIT & CBI tournaments are the equivalent of bowl games.

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And good teams turn them down

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

The NCAA is shit for sure, but the big conferences share in this wholeheartedly. Pocketing huge amounts of money with bloated athletic departments funding ridiculous salaries. Greed and arrogance got in the way and now we have the shitshow that exists today. Think about the most money being spent in the portal are by teams desperate to not fall any further behind and remain relevant. This is driving the price up and up with no accountability and no end in sight. Hopefully this collapses upon itself and we reach some form of reasonable compromise to go forward.

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Agree. Executives have been filling up their bank accounts for decades off these athletes and people get upset now that the athletes are milking the system???? REALLY???

There's chatter about a $22 million athletic department salary cap run through cooperatives and funded mostly through legitimate businesses and large donors, but that doesn't fix the transfer portal problem or the "you get to play forever" issue that's squeezing current high school students out of college athletics. There's also talk that some professional ownership groups are interested in funding certain teams NIL's to essentially "own" a team at the college level. Technically, they could "own" the player contracts without having to pay for any of the costs of the team, stadiums, etc... If the media dollars will support that model, it could actually bring some stability to "the market." But it's a freaking mess right now and I'm not sure it's going to get much better in the next year or two.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Agree. Executives have been filling up their bank accounts for decades off these athletes and people get upset now that the athletes are milking the system???? REALLY???

There's chatter about a $22 million athletic department salary cap run through cooperatives and funded mostly through legitimate businesses and large donors, but that doesn't fix the transfer portal problem or the "you get to play forever" issue that's squeezing current high school students out of college athletics. There's also talk that some professional ownership groups are interested in funding certain teams NIL's to essentially "own" a team at the college level. Technically, they could "own" the player contracts without having to pay for any of the costs of the team, stadiums, etc... If the media dollars will support that model, it could actually bring some stability to "the market." But it's a freaking mess right now and I'm not sure it's going to get much better in the next year or two.

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Right on! Always great posts Hack! Hope you're doing well!

And look what paying players has done to college sports. It is a huge sh*t show that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Is anybody (fans) happy about the current state?

Even you pro-NIL guys are not happy. Student athletes getting a free education and other perks are not enough for you guys, greed popped up once you smelled money.

Now how do you propose to get out of this sh*t hole without totally destroying college sports?

give it 3 to 5 years

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

And look what paying players has done to college sports. It is a huge sh*t show that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Is anybody (fans) happy about the current state?

Even you pro-NIL guys are not happy. Student athletes getting a free education and other perks are not enough for you guys, greed popped up once you smelled money.

Now how do you propose to get out of this sh*t hole without totally destroying college sports?

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The NCAA is NOT PAYING athletes. Period. Athletes are now free to make their own money, but zero dollars from the production of the games they play on television goes to them. ZERO.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

And look what paying players has done to college sports. It is a huge sh*t show that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Is anybody (fans) happy about the current state?

Even you pro-NIL guys are not happy. Student athletes getting a free education and other perks are not enough for you guys, greed popped up once you smelled money.

Now how do you propose to get out of this sh*t hole without totally destroying college sports?

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I am a pro-NIL guy and I am not happy about the current situation, but that doesn't mean these players shouldn't get a piece of the pie. The NCAA really shot themselves in the foot by not slowly migrating to a system that these players could get equal to the cost of the average scholarship in their pockets. Like all schools should average the cost of attendence for a football player, average it across the entire country, and that is the maximum someone is allowed to be paid to play in college. Let's say for arguments sake, it is 80k a year. Maximum for all schools, all players, etc for the year that could be paid to a player. The player still gets all their scholarship perks, but has a share of the pie.

I am also not a fan of a student transferring, but fair is fair. Any student on campus can transfer to any school at any point during their college careers. Why should players be the exception? A player should be allowed to play 5 years, no redshirts. A player should be able to transfer once and play immediately. A player can transfer if the head coach is fired or leaves. All other transfers have to sit out a year before they can play, and it would cost a year of eligibility. No medical redshirts. You get 5 seasons to play unrestricted from the day you are on a roster.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

And look what paying players has done to college sports. It is a huge sh*t show that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Is anybody (fans) happy about the current state?

Even you pro-NIL guys are not happy. Student athletes getting a free education and other perks are not enough for you guys, greed popped up once you smelled money.

Now how do you propose to get out of this sh*t hole without totally destroying college sports?

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Pay ain't the problem. Its the lack of a contract that limits transfers. They always got money, is it more? Yes, but if you think money is the problem, then the NFL, NBA, MLB would all not exist as those guys get paid well.

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Originally Posted by Hot Rock

Pay ain't the problem. Its the lack of a contract that limits transfers. They always got money, is it more? Yes, but if you think money is the problem, then the NFL, NBA, MLB would all not exist as those guys get paid well.

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Exactly. It's the lack of structure and governance that is the issue here. The pro Leagues all have contacts, free agency periods, trade deadlines, etc. The current CFB situation has none if that.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

And look what paying players has done to college sports. It is a huge sh*t show that will eventually collapse under its own weight. Is anybody (fans) happy about the current state?

Even you pro-NIL guys are not happy. Student athletes getting a free education and other perks are not enough for you guys, greed popped up once you smelled money.

Now how do you propose to get out of this sh*t hole without totally destroying college sports?

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Yeah, people act like facilities, free college education, etc. is just free. Huge investments in facilities require a return on investment. Every scholarship player gets a ton of money before NIL. The colleges provide the opportunity for many of these poor kids to get a life changing education and a few to make a pro career. Where is the return on investment back to their schools? It never happens. Plenty of greed to go around,

So where is the NIL for high school? Are high school kids supposed to be paid for playing? When momma and daddy fund the school and athletics?

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Where is the return on investment back to their schools? It never happens.

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You can't be serious, lol...

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

I am a pro-NIL guy and I am not happy about the current situation, but that doesn't mean these players shouldn't get a piece of the pie. The NCAA really shot themselves in the foot by not slowly migrating to a system that these players could get equal to the cost of the average scholarship in their pockets. Like all schools should average the cost of attendence for a football player, average it across the entire country, and that is the maximum someone is allowed to be paid to play in college. Let's say for arguments sake, it is 80k a year. Maximum for all schools, all players, etc for the year that could be paid to a player. The player still gets all their scholarship perks, but has a share of the pie.

I am also not a fan of a student transferring, but fair is fair. Any student on campus can transfer to any school at any point during their college careers. Why should players be the exception? A player should be allowed to play 5 years, no redshirts. A player should be able to transfer once and play immediately. A player can transfer if the head coach is fired or leaves. All other transfers have to sit out a year before they can play, and it would cost a year of eligibility. No medical redshirts. You get 5 seasons to play unrestricted from the day you are on a roster.

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Students can transfer but schools make you take a certain amount of hours to get the degree. You can't transfer in and have one semester to get a degree unless the school is waiving that requirement.

Also there are non competes in the real world for jobs.