Known this since Toledo. Keenum snd Selmon should both go with him. It is embarrassing how bad they have continually found ways to be the worst leaders possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
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Known this since Toledo. Keenum snd Selmon should both go with him. It is embarrassing how bad they have continually found ways to be the worst leaders possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
We won't announce a decision until after signing day I would imagine. We may keep him anyway, but Rosie has been wrong before.
We are aware and that means Hutzler is staying. They generally do not announce if a coach stays on staff. However, it will be announced if Hutzler gets fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Dan Mullen would be awful. He can't recruit. And Lebby isn't going to leave him what Croom did. I can't imagine him being good at the portal either. Plus when he left MSU and Florida culture issues happened almost immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
MSU needs to stop gambling. Just hire someone that is a G5 coach that has taken a team to the top 25. That is likely the most proven formula for success IMO. Unless we can get a retread that is a legend. And I'm not talking about Dan ****ing Mullen. That would be like Polk 2.0 in football. Although I could totally see Dan coming back in the line of stupid moves by MSU football.
List of gambles:
1. Hiring Arnett and Barbay
2. Hiring Lebby and Hultzler.
3. Going all in on JUCO and bringing Hultzler back
1 and 2 have failed miserably. Why the hell should we expect 3 to work out? There is nothing even outside the box about it. All MSU does is recruit JUCO's and let's be honest that is because no one else is recruiting JUCO's so they're basically low hanging fruit. And don't give me the depth bullshit excuse. We're recruiting players that can't help us- what's the difference between these JUCO's that can't help us and the guys that currently can't help us? The coaches helped their buddy out at Hinds? Woopty ****ing doo.
And maybe if we get lucky next year our Hutzler can get our guys to line up correctly although the corners seem to have their 15 yard cushion down pat.
I know this is apparently a really big ask for MSU but we can we please use some common sense in football for once and do what has the best chance of succeeding rather than take another unnecessary risk before we lose to USM next year? At this point they might as well paint a big middle finger on the 50 yard line. I mean, Selmon came up in a football family and played in college and Keenum played JUCO football I'm sure- how can they look at this shit and think it's possibly going to work?
Mullen is a superioir talent evaluator. Superior.
To me, that is the most valuable asset in NIL era. Identify who is good in transfer portal.
Mullen takes too much grief from our fans, very underappreciated.
Might as well just go buy Ryan Silverfield away from Memphis State. Y4 and Y5 were 10 win seasons. So it's not him riding Norvell anymore. Y2 and Y3 were 6/7 win season.
The key is to bring a bunch of their players too. And just accept you're buying another team.
Other list with biggest pro/con:
Rich Rod - solid at Jax State and runs the style of football that always has worked well with State's talent. But has failed at Michigan and was meh at Arizona. Probably too old to trust with a rebuild and Jax State is bottom tier talent. Personally I'd pass.
Barry Odom - phenomenal at UNLV. If you can keep Brennan Marrion for a high buyout - it works wonderfully. But he did struggle at Mizzou. Not the first one and totally contingent on his OC who is the real deal imo.
Tim Albin - steady at Ohio. Biggest con is not knowing the south. I think he holds out for a midwest B1G job. If Ryan Day is gone I could see him being a hot name. I'd kick the tires on interest here.
Michael Desormeaux - if he has another 10 win season next season at ULaLa then he's the hot name. It's his alma mater so it would take some pulling, but he's a guy I could see us making a push. More info needed for me.
Charles Huff - the other name to zero in on. Knows State. Decent job at Marshall. Has won a big game. Multiple 9 win seasons. Young. If we go 3-9 next year or worse, he's who I think we hire. Him or Silverfield for me.
I think Dan realizes how good he had it, but ultimately he does hate recruiting and would rather be in the NFL. OU really wants him as their OC for next year. I think he wants NFL OC or nothing personally. Maybe in 2 more years of TV desk reporting and watching Jeff Lebby crater State then he'll come earn himself a statue.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Also, not sure wehre "Mullen cant recruit" came from. Many of our fans say it, but it's wrong.
The best players State has ever had, are from Mullen. It's not close.
People who say Mullen can't recruit are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
People who say Mullen doesn't want to recruit are right. Otherwise he'd still be at Florida and have won the SEC this year with his style. And I think it's more nuanced that Mullen doesn't want to kiss-ass recruit 5* types. He got burned too many times on that diva mentality and while it didn't always work, mentally it worked for him and State accepted it. Florida did not.
IT'll make it that much easier Dec of 2025 to fire the whole bunch. Salmon included
Mullen was our best coach EVER!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Arnett could've stayed DC instead of getting the HC job and we could've gone out and actually had a real coaching search. Oh well no use beating a dead horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
Huff is the lead candidate for the USM job. And we play USM in H'burg next season.
We should be on the phone to Geoff Collins offering him a fat check to come back here as DC.
We keep Hutzler and I'd bet $100 to NIL that we fire Lebby after next season. We can't go 0-8 in the SEC two years in a row.
Because State seems to have an excess of bipolar fans that have trouble dealing with reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm
Why should Geoff Collins get a fat check? If we are going throw a fat check around it better be to someone who had a significantly better defense than we did, not a 91st in the nation type of defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I don't believe he's our DC next seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
I had a conversation two weeks ago with a former Mullen player. He said Mullen told him "never say never, but I love what I'm doing". So I don't see Mullen ever coming back here and only certain jobs would appeal to him.
Oh good Lord. Collins is a MASSIVE upgrade from what we currently have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Mullen banked millions and now gets paid to talk about college football. I dont see him wanting the headache of recruiting and NIL ever again
I'll say it again, either we are finally playing the game and keeping our cards close to the vest for portal reasons before we unload Hutzler - OR - they know Lebby is getting fired this time next year so what's the point in firing staff when they are all getting canned in 12 months anyway.
We are M State though, so who knows if Keenum and Salmon have even put that much thought into it...
Also, I've seen references to firing Lebby and Salmon at the same time next year. If we fire Selmon at the same time, we are back to not having an AD to make a coaching hire which is how we ended up with Arnett. Selmon isn't getting fired before next football season so he would be hiring the next guy too. It's like we're on a hampster wheel and can't get of.
Selmon will still be here if he has to fire Lebby. If we continue on with what we have currently on staff then I'd bet Barry Odom is our new HC this time next year. What he's doing at UNLV is nothing short of phenomenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
If we do this, we need to hire a competent AD before we start a coaching search. We need someone that has a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wink&aPrayer
Selmon is pissing off some big time boosters. They've got more power than him. In fact, they pull their support there won't be a program.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
That's what I was saying above. Unless we just randomly fire Salmon this summer (we won't) he will be hiring the next coach too. That doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NWADAWG
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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Well, damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Then let them do it. Those same boosters are the reason we are in this mess. Because those boosters got shit for brains promoted to AD. Those boosters got Arnett hired. Those boosters just HAD TO HAVE Will Friend on staff. They're mad because Selmon and Lebby have told them to shut the hell up and cut the check. Just like every other program in the country does with boosters that size. None of these guys are Jimmy Rane type donors. They don't give that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Oh, if it's that bunch they can STFU. They're part of the damn problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
No they aren't. You can continue with your dumbassery of recruiting etc but you don't know what you're talking about, You just love attention. The people who work for this university are a far greater issue than the boosters. The boosters just threw in $11M the last couple months.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I don't really care if it's not to be honest. Boosters at good programs STFU and give money. And when it's obvious that a change needs to be made, one will be made. Instead, ours get pissy when their info gets cut off and starts wanting to threaten to pull money, stop supporting the program, etc. Like honestly, call their bluff. Because that's what Mullen and Byrne did. And you know what, they STFU and cut the checks. If they want to pull their money, then do it. Because I know they won't. We have boosters who do that shit every day. You would be astonished and how many of our boosters call the athletic dept threatening to pull their money over just stupid shit. I mean reasons I've heard in the past 10 years: didn't get chosen to help with construction on the lofts, daughter didn't get on the cheer team, they didn't serve the right kind of chicken tenders, the box next to theirs was cussing and drinking. I mean these were legit reasons. I wish I was making that up. And these aren't 5K boosters. These were 150K-500K boosters complaining over just plain stupidity. Ole Miss, Bama, Auburn, UGA have 1 million-5 million dollar boosters who complain less than our 150K-500K boosters.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
We are Dollar General Auburn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
You are right about one thing. The people who work for the university are a far greater issue. And it's people that have been up there for 15-20 years that HAVE NO CLUE how to do their job. Like I said, Selmon damn near quit within the first week because we had people in 6 figure jobs that didn't know how to do their job. Also, the ACTUAL boosters threw in way more than 11 mil. It's between 18-19 with more coming in every day. Boosters aren't the problem. But "boosters" are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
A lot more than $11mil, that’s just 2 families. There’s been many more smaller donations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Dollar General is a billion dollar corporation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
We are the family running the Sav-A-Lot down the street trying to compete.
Lebby/Hutzler = Croom/Woody, another bad choice of a hill to die on. Also most of our dozen or so JC commits have terrible offer sheets with us the only SEC offer for some. Sure hope Jackie doesn't give Lebby the phone number for Western Arizona JC for DL prospects.*****Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
We're bringing in those guys for depth. We need all the depth we can get. I mean we need guys who can contribute next year and we need about 35-40 of them. We're realistically probably going to get 25-30 new guys through the portal so JUCO will need to fill out the rest of that. Now if we strike out on portal guys then you have every right to be worried. But with our war chest it will be really hard to strike out on guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
I understand if the reason to keep was for consistency but there really can't be any other excuse I can think of.
That said... we are so screwed. And we thought we hit bottom this year.
Retaining Hutzler would be the most Mississippi State sh*t ever. Completely unacceptable.