Probably Stone Blanton, but I agree with you. We didn't need to hire an "on the job training" AD, and an "on the job training" Head Football coach..Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
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Probably Stone Blanton, but I agree with you. We didn't need to hire an "on the job training" AD, and an "on the job training" Head Football coach..Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
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I would grade the whole university from the President down with an F relative to football. Everybody involved is doing on the job training and just trying to figure things out. No wonder we are such a cluster. I would call us "Training Wheels" university. We have a President that hires an AD who has never been an AD before. Then that AD hires a head football coach who has never been a college head coach before. And then that head coach hires a defensive coordinator who has never been a defensive coordinator before. And that's just on top of having the most inexperienced overall football coaching staff in the SEC (and maybe the country). We really aren't even acting like a school that has any serious intention of trying to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Guys, it's Lebby's fault that the roster was as "bad" as it is. Who cares how well a better coach would have done with this roster? A "better coach" wouldn't have had this bad of a roster in the first place.
That's like me saying that, sure I got an F on my exam, but I didn't study, and not many people would have done better without studying. Who cares? It's my own fault that I didn't study and put myself in that position to begin with!
I know that a lot of you don't like the NIL and the portal, but that doesn't mean you can just wish it away and pretend that the only way to turn a bad roster into a good one is to spend years recruiting and developing. That's just not the world we live in anymore, and there are plenty of examples of teams doing a one-offseason turnaround by using those tools.
I was not concerned with W/L this year because we were going to be awful no matter what. I wanted to see buy in and improvement. Find your young guys on offense you want to build around. Get better and do the same in 2025 on defensive side of ball. Then get to 6 wins in 2026. That needs to be the realistic big picture goal and I am sure that is close to his plan.
He did step 1 for the most part.
SC was supposed to suck and people questioned their talent even saying their best LB transferred to us. People were saying he was most likely to be fired this year. Their coach is a Clemson win away from SEC coach of the year. They have a freshman QB also
Our talent level falls on Lebby also
He damn well better be at 6-6 in 2025 if he wants to be the coach in 2026. We all have to adjust to the new college football reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
Unless he pulls another 2-10, he will be the HC in 2026. 3 years min outside another cluster. AD is not firing his buddy after 2 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Well, that may be true, but he needs to be bowling next year to deserve another year as our coach. Can you imagine how dead our atmosphere will be in 2026 if Lebby flops again in 2025 and is brought back for 2026 anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
That is not realistic though. He will have done a great job to get us to 6 wins in 2026 if he can pull it off. The program is in a terrible position. The timing of things and landscape of college football has made it even more of an uphill battle for us. He will get 3 years minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Yall are retarded if you think a coach can come in one week before the portal opens and get the pick of the litter. Portal deals for next season are already done. It?s all back room deals.
This season is an audit for Lebby. No grade given, and the class is to learn the material to be ready for next year when it actually counts.
This portal class, off season, high school recruiting class, and 2025 season is the material he will be graded upon.
This is year 4 for Shane Beamer. He has had multiple years to build a roster and had the full cycle to influence their recruiting and transfer portal classes over multiple years. That is totally different, right?
No more dead than it will next August. There is no reason to be excited about next year right now. I've been saying NIL killed this program. Prices are only going up. We arent going to pull some big portals to generate any excitement for 2025Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
The point was he was supposed to suck this year in Y4 which is why people said he had the hottest seat in the SEC this season. What did he do under that pressure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkerhill
THIS!! Even if he'd been an A or B before, I would have dropped him down at least 2 grades based on that goal-line sequence today. Three straight crappy play calls after first and goal got stuffed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailState2008
People acting like we have shit talent.
Since Leach - top 25-30 recruiting classes. Similar talent level to Arkansas. Please stop acting like we have had classes in the 50s and 60s. There is some talent on this roster - plenty enough to compete in the SEC and plenty enough to run Toledo out of our own stadium. Coaching and evaluating the current roster is why we went 2-10.
Nah man. You're wrong. You can't flip a roster in Dec after going through 2 coaching changes in 12 months, 1 of which was a one and done and the other built the roster for an offense nobody else in the country runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Coaching staff get an F. Don't know much about Sermon to give a grade, but Keenum deserves to be sent to alternative school or expelled for his incompetence.
Every Power Four non-elite program's fanbase except us loves the NIL and the Portal because it's closing the gap between them and the elites. What are we not figuring out that everyone else is?Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
Wrong, but what's new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Head coaches and coordinators.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
We literally do. If you can't see that, sit this one out because you don't understand football.Quote:
Originally Posted by MBDawg601
If you want to go by the recruiting rankings that Leach did, go look at 21, 22, and 23. I assume it's also Lebby's fault that Leach's recruits all either sucked and left the team before he got here, or transferred out when Leach passed and we made the laziest hire in the history of CFB.
We've seen examples that seem to suggest, even though we have the money to compete, Starkville just is not a relevant destination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
We have the same talent level as Arkansas and more than likely better talent than Vanderbilt. They are not 2 and 10 and have not gotten ran out of Fayetteville or Nashville by Toledo.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Sure it's Lebby's first year, but he did a shit job.. and that IS his fault. He can control that. We have better talent than 4 teams on our schedule without a doubt and equal talent to 1 or 2 more.
5-6 wins was the expectation, with 4 being the floor and he wasn't even close.
Starkville is pretty much the same as any other college town. Auburn and Tuscaloosa aren't exactly meccas of partying.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Not with our scheduleQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
His final grade was a 17. He flunked with flying colors. Worse than any Croom coached team by a mile. Major ****up hiring him. Overall F-!
This CAN happen IF we make the right decisions. Even where we are at this point- if we do a 3-4 year rebuild it's because we did it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Honestly, I think it goes back to the old days when MSU had administrators that wouldn't stand up to the NCAA when we were being investigated. So instead of playing the game paying players was strongly discouraged because the program was getting hit hard by probation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I think the portal and NIL are good for MSU. Look at the parity in the SEC this year. Georgia Tech was a team that was getting blown out by Georgia just a year or two ago and now look at them. There is no Nick Saban monster coach in the SEC anymore basically meaning that IF we get our act together we can have a chance against anyone- similar to the SEC of the 1990's where we pretty much beat everyone at a respectable clip except for LSU and even then we beat them twice in the 1990's. The other thing is the portal allow us you to rebuild fairly quickly. You can flip a roster in an offseason. And sure the first season may be a complete dumpster fire like we had but Vanderbilt became a 6-6+ team by raiding New Mexico State. If they can do that I'm sure we could do the same or something similar.
Could you imagine our 2015 team if there was the portal culture? We could have easily replaced Josh Robinson with some other RB and built a decent defense. That season could have been completely different with the portal. The portal probably would have helped Hevesy's recruiting failures as well.
Partying is only a subset of the conversation. And this is a national spectrum now with NIL and the portal, not just the SEC map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We should win our four OOC games. We almost beat Arizona State and had them on the ropes until Hutzler inexplicably decided to go back to what wasn't working. I imagine we have a better chance of beating them in Starkville.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
We could very easily catch up to Mizzou and Arkansas with a good portal haul even though those are on the road. As we saw today the Egg Bowl is unpredictable. There is always the possibility of upsetting someone as well.
Just need to see what we get in the portal.
Football is literally the only sport that has trouble recruiting. Basketball and baseball don't. And neither do the women's sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
And they are raising the prices on the boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Now you are asking the right questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Ding ding dingQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
Tuscaloosa is on a different planet and Auburn is far ahead of Starkville. Fair or not Starkville has a stigma around it that is hard to shake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
There is just A LOT going against us right now.
Have you ever been to Fayetteville Ark and Columbia MO. Talk about being in the middle of nowhere but Arky is recruiting alot of OOS students. Hell for that Matter Clemson is in the sticks. But Arkys marketing is huge esp on Texas. Clemson recruits heavily in the NE US. We used to call Clemson New Jersey school of engineering. It's always about what the schools do in the marketing dept and now social media.
D and only because I do think the kids tried to continue to play hard for he most part. But hes not the guy and im pretty much out and have been since Toledo. There is way too much smoke to the discipline issues and keeping Hutzler
Correct. The nepotism has been so strong at State since Leach passed. It?s why we are here. Laziness and nepotismQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
It?s definitely a chad morris situation. He only suspended craver because he had no choice. Craver embarrassed him at Tennessee and missed workouts the week after and nothing was done. It leaked out and he had no choice. I?m just telling y?all, he is a frat boy and our practices are as close to a party as you can getQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Easy F