Sunday Morning QB- We Are Bad Edition

Its fair to say Leach could have absolutely lost to Toledo. Its also fair to say Leach wouldnt have been dominated by Toledo.

We got dominated by Toledo Saturday. That is what is so discouraging

Let?s just hope the UMass Minutemen don?t show up as the Sixty-Minute Men

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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This is so GD depressing. And 100% correct.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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This is possibly the best post in ED history. Seriously, the condition known as "good ole boy syndrome" has affected MSU and Mississippi for 100+ years (at least) but is particularly strong at MSU. UM has seemed to overcome this with money, but will probably find it to be short term thing because the state can not tolerate success at the expense of the status quo.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

But if we'd known that he would be dead within 3 years, we never would have hired him. No one can step in and replicate what he was.

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Poor Leach looked sick af to me during his last season. Almost septic like in interviews. I had an eerie feeling he had terminal disease, but heart wouldn't have been my first guess.
I started to wonder if he was seeing doctors.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Poor Leach looked sick af to me during his last season. Almost septic like in interviews. I had an eerie feeling he had terminal disease, but heart wouldn't have been my first guess.
I started to wonder if he was seeing doctors.

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He was seeing doctors. He had a really bad cough for awhile.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He was seeing doctors. He had a really bad cough for awhile.

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We're they NPs or doctors? I wonder if he had an echocardiogram scheduled.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

We're they NPs or doctors? I wonder if he had an echocardiogram scheduled.

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Didn't he die from heart failure complications? He could have been dealing with it for years before anyone knew anything. Either was on a ACE inhibitor that caused the dry cough or he had some type of LHF. I'm sure he was urged to get an ECHO done if he was following up with his doctors. It would have picked up any mitral regurg or ventricle hypertrophy. But I honestly believe he would still have us competitive. Now we would lose games absolutely, but we would have never been dominated by Toledo

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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You nailed it. The sad thing is that last part. Our boosters, the ones who are supposed to want what's best for the program, have been the ones actively destroying the program for 50 years. The really sad part is that Mullen, Byrne, and Stricklin had almost eradicated them and their influences from the program. Mullen told them they were all losers and to give him the money and shut the hell up. However, the second Cohen got the job, it was like we were back in 1986 all over again. Those same boosters had far too much influence once again. BankerDog and I have talked about this ad nauseam over the last 5-10 years but we need new blood in the booster world. We need to get rid of these old guys who only care about the influence they have and the stories they can tell at CCJ or Reunion.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You nailed it. The sad thing is that last part. Our boosters, the ones who are supposed to want what's best for the program, have been the ones actively destroying the program for 50 years. The really sad part is that Mullen, Byrne, and Stricklin had almost eradicated them and their influences from the program. Mullen told them they were all losers and to give him the money and shut the hell up. However, the second Cohen got the job, it was like we were back in 1986 all over again. Those same boosters had far too much influence once again. BankerDog and I have talked about this ad nauseam over the last 5-10 years but we need new blood in the booster world. We need to get rid of these old guys who only care about the influence they have and the stories they can tell at CCJ or Reunion.

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You left out Annandale, more of them there than across the street.

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At least we are running the football these days, and have Showtime offense instead of the boring stuff a few years ago that won ball games ***

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

But isn't it fun to be watching an exciting offense again?!!!

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We are Back Baby!!! ***
No more winning games, controlling the clock, keeping elite SEC offenses on the sideline.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

You nailed it. The sad thing is that last part. Our boosters, the ones who are supposed to want what's best for the program, have been the ones actively destroying the program for 50 years. The really sad part is that Mullen, Byrne, and Stricklin had almost eradicated them and their influences from the program. Mullen told them they were all losers and to give him the money and shut the hell up. However, the second Cohen got the job, it was like we were back in 1986 all over again. Those same boosters had far too much influence once again. BankerDog and I have talked about this ad nauseam over the last 5-10 years but we need new blood in the booster world. We need to get rid of these old guys who only care about the influence they have and the stories they can tell at CCJ or Reunion.

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Spot on.
You could really see the meddling after Arnett was hired. When he said not changing anything, though, was that his intent and then the meddling began?
I really though he had a chance to just focus on defense, and let the system stay intact for at least a year while he learned the HC gig. Keep it simple.

We were winning games with less talent.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Spot on.
You could really see the meddling after Arnett was hired. When he said not changing anything, though, was that his intent and then the meddling began?
I really though he had a chance to just focus on defense, and let the system stay intact for at least a year while he learned the HC gig. Keep it simple.

We were winning games with less talent.

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We were winning games with less talent because of the the coach that occupied the headset with HC on the side. He won with less talent everywhere he was.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We were winning games with less talent because of the the coach that occupied the headset with HC on the side. He won with less talent everywhere he was.

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I followed Leach , living in TX, back at his first year at TX Tech. Totally aware of what we had.
But our fan base did not totally grasp what we had. We could win a game, and still have complaints. He had to clean the culture after Jomo, coach first season through Covid, and that was my point also.

Seemed there was a group that could not wait to blow it up , to the point of trying it in an offseason after the portal was closed, and with a first time HC over his head.
Not sure who all was involved in that brilliance, but that was my main question.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

I followed Leach , living in TX, back at his first year at TX Tech. Totally aware of what we had.
But our fan base did not totally grasp what we had. We could win a game, and still have complaints. He had to clean the culture after Jomo, coach first season through Covid, and that was my point also.

Seemed there was a group that could not wait to blow it up , to the point of trying it in an offseason after the portal was closed, and with a first time HC over his head.
Not sure who all was involved in that brilliance, but that was my main question.

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It was a group of boosters that had gotten power back under Cohen that they did not have under Byrne or Stricklin. Then Leach came in and he told them all to F off and he didn't like them, which he didn't. They were the ones wanting to replace him. And it wasn't because we were doing bad, it was because they were basically cut off from info and so they couldn't look cool at the bar of whatever Madison Co country club they belonged to. Well Leach dies and we hastily promote Arnett and I believe, do not know this for fact, but believe they were the ones who pushed for him to have the permanent job and not just have it on an interim basis. They pitched it that they could put all these people around him that would help him. AKA: People who would feed them info and go drink with them at Two Bros and tell them how cool they were.

The amount of anger and seemingly truthful facts in this thread is making me happy. I really hope selmon is telling them to kick rocks while they pony up.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

The amount of anger and seemingly truthful facts in this thread is making me happy. I really hope selmon is telling them to kick rocks while they pony up.

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That's what it took last time. Byrne and Mullen came in after years of LT playing buddy buddy with a handful of them and them perpetuating this lie that we were broke, when we had not been for close to a decade, and told them shut up and donate. Mullen went a step further and called them a bunch of losers. He said real boosters and real athletic depts don't act like this and if you want to act like this go support pee wee daddy ball. And that's not rumor that's a story coming from Dan Mullen himself. He would straight up tell you how bad it was when he got here and still will to this day. Hell he told every athletic dept/bulldog club employee in the first meeting he had with them that if they weren't serious about winning then they need to leave because he hates being around losers and that's what they all were.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

It was a group of boosters that had gotten power back under Cohen that they did not have under Byrne or Stricklin. Then Leach came in and he told them all to F off and he didn't like them, which he didn't. They were the ones wanting to replace him. And it wasn't because we were doing bad, it was because they were basically cut off from info and so they couldn't look cool at the bar of whatever Madison Co country club they belonged to. Well Leach dies and we hastily promote Arnett and I believe, do not know this for fact, but believe they were the ones who pushed for him to have the permanent job and not just have it on an interim basis. They pitched it that they could put all these people around him that would help him. AKA: People who would feed them info and go drink with them at Two Bros and tell them how cool they were.

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Appreciate you for contributing here. This is how many perceived it, but then we had media also all in with these alumni. I remember Faulk making smart comments about fans of Leach, etc.
We were winning....and yet we had alumni, some media, and leadership not really pulling in the same direction.

Some of the most backward BS I have seen in a while.... well until Auburn every November when upset with their coach.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Appreciate you for contributing here. This is how many perceived it, but then we had media also all in with these alumni. I remember Faulk making smart comments about fans of Leach, etc.
We were winning....and yet we had alumni, some media, and leadership not really pulling in the same direction.

Some of the most backward BS I have seen in a while.... well until Auburn every November when upset with their coach.

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The internet fanboys(Hadad and Faulk) had an axe to grind with Leach because he didn't hire their boy Bumphis as a coach in the 21 offseason. Even though WE OFFERED HIM THE JOB OF RB COACH. They wanted him on staff so he'd feed them info. I mean you saw how adamant they were about keeping him on staff this past offseason. And I will say in their defense, Chad has more than proven his worth just by the recruiting trail alone. And look, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows with Leach. He is one of the reasons that we're in the situation we find ourselves in. His disdain for recruiting 21 of the 22 positions on the field caused him to let Dave Emerick, and later Matt Dudek, run recruiting for us. This was a MASSIVE mistake. Emerick had never run recruiting and all of a sudden he was running it for an SEC program. Dudek at least had a tad of recruiting experience but was nowhere near ready to run that dept.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

The internet fanboys(Hadad and Faulk) had an axe to grind with Leach because he didn't hire their boy Bumphis as a coach in the 21 offseason. Even though WE OFFERED HIM THE JOB OF RB COACH. They wanted him on staff so he'd feed them info. I mean you saw how adamant they were about keeping him on staff this past offseason. And I will say in their defense, Chad has more than proven his worth just by the recruiting trail alone. And look, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows with Leach. He is one of the reasons that we're in the situation we find ourselves in. His disdain for recruiting 21 of the 22 positions on the field caused him to let Dave Emerick, and later Matt Dudek, run recruiting for us. This was a MASSIVE mistake. Emerick had never run recruiting and all of a sudden he was running it for an SEC program. Dudek at least had a tad of recruiting experience but was nowhere near ready to run that dept.

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I figured the fan boys didn't like Leach being late for press conferences either which made them late to Two Brothers some too.

I remember they wanted Leach to fire Spurrier so that we could get Bumphis on as a coach as well.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I figured the fan boys didn't like Leach being late for press conferences either which made them late to Two Brothers some too.

I remember they wanted Leach to fire Spurrier so that we could get Bumphis on as a coach as well.

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Leach never being on time for things did bother them, and bothered all the media, and that I get. I mean first off, he moved press conferences back to, I believe, 2 PM because he wasn't getting to the office til noon. Now the other side of that coin is that he was there til 3-4 AM most nights. But I think him moving them back, and then would sometimes be an hour late bothered the media. Saying all that, Leach gave the media more access than any coach had before.

However, there's a whole other issue with our media. Look at who covers these other teams. Whether it be Ole Miss, Auburn, South Carolina, Florida, LSU, etc. They have actual journalists covering their teams in most cases. We have Steve, who can be decent, a pizza boy, and a guy who has never made it past the HS beat in the local paper. Our media is nerds. It's just the truth. They can't really interact in social situations outside of their little group of friends. They hated Mackenzie Salmon because she got a lot of attention, for obvious reasons, and she had aspirations outside of Mississippi. They hated Tyler Horka because he didn't bleed maroon. They hated Frommer for the same reason. There's a reason the only people ever worth a crap that get handed the Mississippi State beat are here for 18-24 months. Veazey, Marcello, Rappoport, Sammon, etc.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

We've never been committed. Ever.
We let boosters can our best coach in history in the 1940s for going .500. Once. We ran off 2 future HOF coaches because we refused to invest in football. We allowed ourselves to be an SEC punching bag from the mid 50s until the mid 70s by tolerating things like having to play Bama somewhere in Alabama 20 times in a row while Ole Miss got to count Memphis as a league game. We laid down when the NCAA came after Tyler and Jackie. We sold home games and rarely played on campus so Starkville never grew nor did our facilities. And our Cigar Boys throughout that have always been about themselves and access and made Horrid decisions with their influence.

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This is the realist shit that I have ever heard.

that sums it up

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Poor Leach looked sick af to me during his last season. Almost septic like in interviews. I had an eerie feeling he had terminal disease, but heart wouldn't have been my first guess.
I started to wonder if he was seeing doctors.

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My wife is medically smart and told me the same thing during the 2022 season. The skinny arms and fluid and stomach and constant cough. She knew it was congestive heart failure.

Lee is injured and will be our for awhile

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Originally Posted by confucius say

My wife is medically smart and told me the same thing during the 2022 season. The skinny arms and fluid and stomach and constant cough. She knew it was congestive heart failure.

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yeah- there were rumors and people got mad when I posted about it before he died. I didnt want the guy to die but dont shoot the messenger.