Moorhead Interview

Who cares, he is a washed up old fart coaching at App St with a losing record - who cares? I don't, I don't give him that kind of time in my head!

I say this as nicely as I can, because Joe thinks he's a nice guy. Joe go nicely **** yourself and then eat a dick and die.

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Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN

Honest question here, was Moorhead really that bad at State? In no way am I defending him but what would have constituted a good year and what truly were our expectations for him? I know he inherited one of the top ranked defenses in the country his first year, but Mullen went 9-4 the year prior with pretty much the same team. In fact our best season since hiring Mullen was our infamous 2014 Dak Prescott led 10-3 team that reached #1.

Outside of that we've averaged about 7 wins a season with Moorhead, Leach and Arnett combined. Again, I'm not taking up for Moorhead or even bashing him, I'm just curious as to what our expectations were then and we do we truly expect from Lebby for that matter?

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It was virtually impossible to lose more than 5 games with the 18 team. If Mullen stayed one more year, there's no question we would've won 10 or 11 before the bowl game. Might've squeaked into the playoffs. That team had one of the two or three best defenses in school history, up there with 99 and 14. Returned an elite college QB on offense. Loaded on the OL, solid WRs and a highly talented (but egomaniacal) RB. Only winning 8 with that team is one of the worst coaching jobs I've seen. He never would've gotten Year 2 for that alone. Throw in the off the field stuff, and I'm convinced Moorhead might be a worse coach than Croom.

Yeah- Croom could have gone 8-5 with the 2018 team. That was such a poor job of coaching

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

That's twice in the last decade that we had teams set up to win based on a certain offensive system/style, and instead elected to overhaul the system entirely in year 1. It's the epitome of stupidity, and it's why we're where we are instead of where we want to be. We've done this to ourselves, and now we're staring at a complete rebuild under a new coach and just hoping to win 4, 5 or 6 games instead of expecting to be in the 7 to 10 win range. Our ADs, President, and "Cigar Boys" have failed at almost every turn (football wise) since 2017.

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What was sad is we made the same mistake twice within five years. Just incredibly botched from the start.

Your post is 100% spot on.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

It was virtually impossible to lose more than 5 games with the 18 team. If Mullen stayed one more year, there's no question we would've won 10 or 11 before the bowl game. Might've squeaked into the playoffs. That team had one of the two or three best defenses in school history, up there with 99 and 14. Returned an elite college QB on offense. Loaded on the OL, solid WRs and a highly talented (but egomaniacal) RB. Only winning 8 with that team is one of the worst coaching jobs I've seen. He never would've gotten Year 2 for that alone. Throw in the off the field stuff, and I'm convinced Moorhead might be a worse coach than Croom.

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RB should have been Aeris but Moorhead was in love with Kylin.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yeah- Croom could have gone 8-5 with the 2018 team. That was such a poor job of coaching

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Croom went 8-5 with a team far less talented. He would have at minimum done that. And Croom was bad that just shows how awful Moorhead was

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

RB should have been Aeris but Moorhead was in love with Kylin.

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Kylin is the better of the two. There's a reason he went to the NFL and Aeris didn't. Kylin's attitude isn't the best though. Which is why he didn't last and I think is in Canada.

That said, Moorhead could and should have used Aeris more than he did. His best 11 thing should have included two running backs since our best 11 included Kylin and Aeris.

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

It was virtually impossible to lose more than 5 games with the 18 team. If Mullen stayed one more year, there's no question we would've won 10 or 11 before the bowl game. Might've squeaked into the playoffs. That team had one of the two or three best defenses in school history, up there with 99 and 14. Returned an elite college QB on offense. Loaded on the OL, solid WRs and a highly talented (but egomaniacal) RB. Only winning 8 with that team is one of the worst coaching jobs I've seen. He never would've gotten Year 2 for that alone. Throw in the off the field stuff, and I'm convinced Moorhead might be a worse coach than Croom.

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The only thing I'd say that would have held back the 2018 team were the WR. You can't call them solid with the number of drops they had and lack of stats. However, that was also based on them performing in the SloMo offense. They may have been better in the Mullen offense. Malik Dear and Keith Mixon just disappeared under SloMo - and they had been productive under Mullen

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Kylin is the better of the two. There's a reason he went to the NFL and Aeris didn't. Kylin's attitude isn't the best though. Which is why he didn't last and I think is in Canada.

That said, Moorhead could and should have used Aeris more than he did. His best 11 thing should have included two running backs since our best 11 included Kylin and Aeris.

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Aeris as a senior was better than Kylin as a freshman. Kylin should have been a change of pace back his freshman year and never should have been in on a 3rd down. Not included every 3 or so plays tapping his helmet.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Aeris as a senior was better than Kylin as a freshman. Kylin should have been a change of pace back his freshman year and never should have been in on a 3rd down. Not included every 3 or so plays tapping his helmet.

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Kylin was a sophomore in 2018.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Kylin was a sophomore in 2018.

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Aeris was still the better all around back. Always fell forward. Could actually block and catch out of the back field. Wasn't a locker room cancer.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Aeris was still the better all around back. Always fell forward. Could actually block and catch out of the back field. Wasn't a locker room cancer.

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The NFL disagrees

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Aeris was still the better all around back. Always fell forward. Could actually block and catch out of the back field. Wasn't a locker room cancer.

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Kylin was definitely a better pass catcher.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The NFL disagrees

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NFL drafts on physical measurables. Give me Aeris every day instead of old tap out.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

NFL drafts on physical measurables. Give me Aeris every day instead of old tap out.

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Nope. They draft on who the better player is. If Aeries was better then he would have made it in the NFL.

Also from what I have heard Aeries attitude wasn't always the best either.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

Moorhead was worse than Croom, by a lot.

I'm convinced he didnt even look at tape of our team before he came here.

He came here thinking "I'm from Penn State. This is Miss State who is never any good. They should be happy with whatever they get."

He had:

1) The Nations best defense
2) The top running QB in SEC history (i think)

and he ran that offense to 8-5. Absolutely brutal.

The irony is that team was Mullen's best chance to win a Natty and he left it. People may think that is crazy but its not.

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Croom was the worst and it's not even close. Arnett could have competed for the crown had he been allowed to stay longer.

I don't think Moorhead would have been here for a long time, but he had 2 winning seasons and 2 egg bowl wins. Croom lost to Maine at home. The end.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The NFL disagrees

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Not a fair comparison.

By this logic Brock Purdy was a better player in college than Tim Tebow.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Not a fair comparison.

By this logic Brock Purdy was a better player in college than Tim Tebow.

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Tebow had a better team that bailed his ass put constantly when he passed.

That's Joe employing the Iceberg Principle defense of his tenure. We're only going to evaluate the obvious 20% above the waterline.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Tebow had a better team that bailed his ass put constantly when he passed.

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He threw 88 TDs in college. For reference Dak threw 70.

Just take the L on this one.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

He threw 88 TDs in college. For reference Dak threw 70.

Just take the L on this one.

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That loaded team included guys like Percy Harvin at WR and Aaron Hernanadez.

Who was Dak throwing to at MSU and who was Purdy throwing to at Iowa State?

Tebow is no different than McElroy and McCarron at Alabama.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Nope. They draft on who the better player is. If Aeries was better then he would have made it in the NFL.

Also from what I have heard Aeries attitude wasn't always the best either.

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NFL definitely favors measurables what are you even talking abou.

Yeah Todd just take the L, it happens to us all

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

NFL definitely favors measurables what are you even talking abou.

Yeah Todd just take the L, it happens to us all

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There is no "L" to take. Kylin was better than Aeries. It doesn't matter if you are talking about measurables or as a player.

The real issue is both should have been on the field at the same time and that is where Moorhead failed.