Hines regression is concerning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I know he leaves but he probably shouldn?t.
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Hines regression is concerning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I know he leaves but he probably shouldn?t.
I saw Landon Harmon last week as well. He should be really good. The Parker twins are going to be good players as well. I know Maddox Miller very well, because his dad is a good friend of mine going back a long time to our connections in Mississippi baseball and the Indy league days. My son played on some of Matts showcase teams from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Numbers game more than anything, is my guess. Long is a really good player and has a lot of heart. We have so many rhp and more coming and looking to the portal for help is well, the numbers just didn't work out and he's getting scholarship money at usm whereas with us it be pwo. jmo based on what i've heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
The same thing with Alabama's 1st baseman (Hodo). He's from Waynesboro. Never offered by us. Lead them in homerun's this year.
SVS-it?s like I?ve told you before. This coaching staff loves spin rate, velo for pitchers and exit velo and launch points for hitters. They?ll see a lot of guys in showcases but not in the HS season. If they would watch the HS season-they would?ve tried to pick up the Trimble kid and Moinstere kid at NWR over KK Clark and Loftin. Same could be said for the Nikko kid that was at MRA and now at USMQuote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Loftin I never minded because at least you knew there was substance there with the MLB being on him. He turned down a lot of MLB money to come here. Never got Clark, always felt like they did that as a favor to Kellum.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
No offense to Will Hodo because i've know the kid since he was 8, but Amani Larry has better stats than hodo and hodo can only dh(he's a big liability on defense) and he can't run a lick. My son grew up playing with and against him and the only reason bama took him(pwo)was as a favor to a booster. He's turned into an ok sec player for them, but nothing special. 15 career hrs in 3 years and a 270 hitter with no speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
Yeah Loftin has first round talent but can't stay on the field. As you said he turned down a bunch of money to come to State. Monistere would've been a good pickup but we had mershon and then cupp coming in.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Loses more staying. He's still probably in the first 10 rounds. He's not going to improve staying hereQuote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
Correct. It'd be a Mangum situation where they might draft him in the 3rd or 4th round but they'd pay him pennies on the dollar for a signing bonusQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
There are AT LEAST a thousand people that would step up and take an outfield spot if someone drops. That's a minimum number. Shit- I bet I know 25 personally that would. The atmosphere is not going awayQuote:
Originally Posted by Mjoelner34
I don't know much about high school baseball recruiting so someone feel free to correct, but I would guess with limited man power on staff (say compared to football) you've got to focus your resources to narrow down your targets and its way easier to do that via showcases than trying to scout highschool games across the state much less across the country. Now if other coaching staffs are highly successful in scouting high school games and our staff is just lazy or bad at it then shame on them. Again I'm just guessing here based on logistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
All I hear in no particular order, are:Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
1.exit velo
2. 60 speed
3. Throwing Velo
4. Attitude/demeanor
Draft year pressure is a real thing. So it hurts. Some thrive on it.....Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
Number 4 speaks volumes.
Shitty attitude ruins everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
We’ve had a few. When a player thinks they don’t have to work and they can’t be coached or want listen it creates clubhouse issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPMT
Yep, some thrive and some can't handle it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Larry didn't hit 11 HR's this year nor hit .270 so that comparison is not very good Commerce but I do get your point.
In baseball and the Portal era you can't afford to take a guy who will suck fr 2 years to get 11hrs and .270 hitting in year 3. You can spare 1 year of development, but then they need to produce. Just not enough bench spots and roster turnover is too fast for 2 years to grow. Plus when you can Portal in a replacement you're probably better off taking high ceiling projects vs a .270 DH project. If the high ceiling project doens't work out, they can Portal away and we can Portal in a YeagerQuote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
If it?s that simple, why wouldn?t you just portal in a Yeager to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
We are middle of the pack SEC in hitting. You guys acting we are garbage are dumb or dont really keep up with college baseball.
Would we like to be better? Well hell yeah. Our 2 best players not having their best seasons plus Kohler and Larry not stepping up has been disappointing.
Pitching and D this year fellas. Pitching and D
Where is your guarantee you get a Yeager? Many projected Kohler to be a 12-15 HR guy. Didnt work out. What do you guys not understand about recruiting being a crapshoot with 80% of the guys you sign in baseball??????Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
Loftin was considered a sure-fire rotation guy who had a high asking price to MLB. Look how that's turned out for 2 years.
Situations like this is why we have been where we are. Everybody in the SEC would have taken Loftin's signature.
Obviously not every player will be a stud. Lets do the math on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
Say you sign 1 HS kids that needs 2 years on the bench and then give you 1 year of 270 hitting. And you do this every year. Each year, you get 1 .270 hitter from the 3 players on your roster.
Vs, you sign a high ceiling HS kid that needs to develop each year. Over time, 1/3 pan out into a Rooker, the other 2/3 suck and Portal away. We Portal in replacements. Of the replacements, half are sub par (Kohler) and the other half are Yeagers.
Rooker-Kohler-Yeager = a better run than .270-.270-.270. And, the ceiling of your program is higher incase you can hit on several high ceiling guys at once.
If you only knew 34.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Not this year but I was comparing their careers over 3 years. Larry is a much better player. 24 hrs to 15, 308 to 270 avg, obp 442 to 398 and 46 sbs to 7, but just trying to point out hodo is just an ok sec player, and picked Larry as a comparison based on the 3 year careers. Could've picked other players but so many have considered Larry just an average sec player I wanted to see how our average sec player matched up over the 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
This is correct. We're not the 27 Yankees on offense but we're not terrible either. Pitching and defense has been the key this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
CC24- you have to explain things slowly and type slower for many of our fans. They are SPEDQuote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
That's basically how it's going to work. And really how it is basically working now.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Teams are only recruiting guys that they think are SEC caliber guys- which means fewer developmental project types.
If a player doesn't contribute or is in line to contribute teams are going to essentially cut them and replace them from someone in the portal.
Especially if you are a hitter.
Pitchers with Tommy John and injury issues like Loftin a team may keep just because you never know if they are going to click in year three like we saw with Dakota Hudson and Chris Stratton. So you can afford a spot for a couple of guys like that.
That was my point and why I put ?If it was that simple??Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
How can you guarantee you won?t take a guy that sucks for two years just like you can?t guarantee you wind up with a Yeager?
Although, having someone that can actually evaluate worth a crap (not Lemonis apparently) would go a long ways for us.
Projections:
29...DJ starting to fall
31...Lo holding steady late 1st round-ish
47...Nori- recruit
87....Stephen ^
99...Conrad Cason-recruit
164...Dohm
174...Hines- really dropping
191...Cade O'Leary-recruit
*Borrowed info here
Loftin gets healthy he could still be a draft pick next year. Parker had already corrected some things and he was throwing pretty well even with lower velo. He's got to develop a pitch to go with his change. I blame Foxy for not developing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Some of the folks I've talked to have dropped Hines below the 10th round. He's really hurt himself this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
If Hines had any sort of leverage I would say he comes back 100%. I just don't know how much he'd realistically raise his stock by coming back. I mean maybe if he put up Rooker type numbers then yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I was curious about him as well. Injury is injury- they happen. His situation seems different. What about Evan Siary? Is he hurt as well? Or just MIA due to lack of performance or trust?
Oh I agree completely but also remember he's getting a good piece of the nil pie from us. I believe he goes to but his stock has really dropped.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I have no idea on Siary unless it's injury. He wasn't throwing terrible and we need relief arms, so I assume injury.Quote:
Originally Posted by TStationDawg
This is where I hate they changed the damn draft rule. Under the old rules? Jordan and Dirtbag are back for a 3rd year- which they both need. Instead they are draft eligible. I don’t think Dirtbag will go high enough this summer but you never know