What if we make a regional as the 2 seed and win the mf'er? The postseason is a new season. Saying we host or fire him is f'ing stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
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What if we make a regional as the 2 seed and win the mf'er? The postseason is a new season. Saying we host or fire him is f'ing stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
What if we are a #2 and lose in the Regional final? Basically makes us Top 32. You fire him for being one of the best 32 teams in the country?
No. No you dont. Stop being stupid
To beat Bryce Chance, the challengers got to hit 250 in the SEC and 350 in other games. That's assuming that Chance has not continued to develop and improve his game. Seems to be a resourceful high IQ player. We expect more from Hujsak, Stevens, and Downs. They should be more competitive versus upper echelons of SEC pitching. In Conference, Chance only K'ed 8 times to 6 BB versus SEC in 34 ABs. Hujsak 6k in 23 ABs and no walks, lower average. Downs K'ed 7 times in 13 ABs no BB, way lower average. Stevens and Downs have Tanner Allen, top recruit pedigree. Stevens is expected to be a huge star, hopefully replaces Kellum Clark's 2023 production.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
OF:
(1) Jordan (Locked)
------------ known star Level -------
(2) Hujsak (Big praise, big Summer)
------------- more than 150 D1 At Bats --------
(3) Stevens (6-3 elite Freshman recruit, 1B also, broken hand in Fall)
-------------- Elite level New Comer --------
(4) Chance (best overall numbers for a returning player, only hit 230 in the SEC but kills non SEC pitchers.)
------------- known Experienced Player ----------
(5) Mackenzie Jackson (6-3 freshman recruit, 1B also)
(6) Rives Reynolds (6-3 freshman recruit, highly praised from practice)
(7) Brett House (6-4 freshman recruit, power body)
------------ The Freshmen --------
Wildcard
A- Aaron Downs (huge recruit in 2021, up there with Brady Tygart and Hunter Elliott) was supposed to be an infielder only 57 MSU at bats in two years and 9 starts on two remarkably bad teams. Maybe just injury?
B- Can Mershon, Kohler, or Larry play OF?
I don't think it's stupid, much less f' stupid. That's an opinion of a Lemonis fan. I guess you like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I agree. But in the scenario I was asked about we aren't taking out Hines bat. And if we start Mershon and Cupp in the MIF I don't see us taking Larry's bat out either- meaning LF for him. We aren't taking out Dakota Jordan obviously and I can't see us taking out Hujsack. We aren't going to put Chance at first base. So....Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
But it's a nothingburger because we both know Hines is going to start at first base and will be fine and the scenario presented to me isn't going to happen anyway so it's all moot.
"Our" standards haven't fallen at all. The expectation is and always has been Omaha for our program and a SR appearance at worst. The last two seasons haven't been up to our standard so Chris must get the team to that standard this year or I do think we move on from him. We've given him a fair opportunity and he has replaced his pitching coach. He has recruited well so the talent is here and in the pipe. But the development on the pitching side has been D3 level at best. And that's probably being nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
The only exception to the above would be if he won the SEC regular season or the SEC Tournament or we did well enough to host a regional and then got upset in a regional. I can't see us moving on from Chris if any one of those three things happen. Something like that would probably involve some serious "that's baseball" going on in the regional.
Expectations are too high here to be OK with just making a regional and our recent history from 2016-2021 shows our true potential as a baseball program.
Question is did 3rd base defense improve any with the new Memphis transfer who's supposed to be better than Alford. Maybe all those errors teleported themselves over to 1B and Hines.
Ha, meant no, Chance is going to play left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Reynolds is out for the yearQuote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
No doubt about this year for our team and Lemonis, do or die, we should be better but how much is the question in the Sec. There are some teams ahead of us that are loaded.
Two keys for the year, defense and pitching which has been as bad as I can recall over the years. No excuses this year!
I’m not a Lemon fan. Just using common sense. He has to produce this year or he’s gone. But making the Tourney and ending up in Regional final making us Top 32 at the end is not where you choose to fire someone. I think we have the talent to be in a Super or better. We’ll see how it shakes out pretty soonQuote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
A freshman we are not talking about is Dotson. No scrimmage notes that I can recall. He was the 4th highest rated recruit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
A couple of other items I want to see from Lemon coached team. The team have some fire in their performance like dirt bags. The team look prepared for the game. The starting pitchers go deeper in the game than 3 or 4 innings before going to the pen. And for sure making the SEC tourney and be a decent seed in a regional.
The last two seasons I haven?t seen that fire from the coaching staff and the players. Time to tell some players to take responsibility for their play. And for Lemon to get his a#& off his bucket and act like he?s at least concerned about the lack of play in the games.
Dotson could be a legit dual position player for us. Not sure if he helps at the plate this year but he can help us on the mound.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
It's hard to have swag when you know your pitching staff is about to give up 10+.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranchdawg
See you still have the "standard". I agree with your assessment. But I was replying to a comment that said "if we make the tournament, he's safe"Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
It's just a view and many people's view is skewed. Many people dont realize we had a winning record last season. We struggled in SEC play because of youth on the pitching staff. That's not the case in 2024. We should make a big jump this SpringQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
You can not judge this season on its own. You have to factor in his entire tenure. Yes, he won the title. He also missed the tourney and not by a little 2 years in a row. We have been BAD for 2 years. Top 32 is not good enough after that. And especially if we have a team that in your opinion is capable of a Super or better. I would not set an ultimatum, but we need to be good this year or there is no point in keeping a coach who clearly can not cut it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We had crushing injuries in 2022Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
We were young in 2023 on the mound.
It's pretty easy to evaluate and see whats going on. We have a ridiculous conference schedule so hosting is unlikely. But this team playing well and being top 32 is a good season and shows we are on the right path. Recruiting remains strong. He made the change at PC and people are singing those praises. They absolutely love Parker. Win or be gone.
Excuses are just that. Being young on the mound is not an excuse for running out a flat out terrible team last year. Being top 32 does not show we are on the right path. That would be a meh year for MSU baseball, after two terrible ones. Terrible/terrible/meh is a bad enough stretch for MSU baseball, given where the program was before that, to be fired even after winning a national title. If recruiting has been and remains strong, then we should be winning. No excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Well let's hope 34 is right and the 12 SEC teams in front of State the past two years simply lay down and let State move back into the top 8-10 so sweet cheeks Chris and keep his job!
I feel pretty damn confident that all of them, including Alabama and UGA who don't give a rats ass about baseball as a Fanbase, also got better this year. So usually if everybody ahead of you gets better and you trust the roster you had from a bad season to make you a better coach, it don't usually work out like you want. He is depending on a bunch of previously bad pitchers, weak fielders and inconsistent batters along with a heck of a lot of newcomers to win 6-7 more SEC games this year than last.
I will be watching with a lot of skepticism until his charges show me something. A 2-7 SEC start again will raise huge concerns!
lol- you guys are out of your damn mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Corbin hasnt made a Super the last 2 years and their program is Top 5 in the country
McDonnell has missed the NCAA Tourney 2 of the last 3 seasons. Is his job on the line this year? Super or fired?
Bunko won the CWS and missed the Tourney last year- would you fire him if he misses again like many of you wanted to do with Lemon?
Top level NCAA Baseball coaching is hard. It's not as easy as it was when Polk was coaching. If we end up Top 32- no way in hell do you make a coaching change. Thats stupid
And another reminder- we had a winning record last year. We werent terribleQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
It's amazing to me how every offseason every team in the SEC gets better except for MSU according to MSU fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Last two years we have been as bad as I have seen since the retirement of Paul Greogory. Lemonis was awful in decision making and he let the ship sink. As far as fans at Msu, baseball fans aren't use to losing like football and basketball. And as far as Sec baseball goes, there are only a few teams that aren't going to win much, it's a demanding schedule overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I'm looking forward to the season, I just hope I see the real baseball program that I have followed since the very early 70's.
The worst decision he made was keeping Foxhall after 2022.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Maybe State did get better. Maybe everybody else got better too. Maybe State's better doesn't trump everybody else's better. My point is does squeaking into the SEC tourney as a 10 seed and squeaking into a Regional as a 2 seed just because SEC count as enough improvement to keep Lemonis if he goes 0-2 or 1-2 in Hoover and doesn't win that Regional? I say it shouldn't save his job, especially knowing what he is losing off this years team and having another rebuild in 2025. State shouldn't rebuild. State should reload.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yes, 3rd base was a bad decision on a few levels as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what happened??????Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Well, one thing is for certain. If we struggle in our pre-SEC slate we've got problems. Our pre-SEC schedule is weaker than it's been in years. Just looking at the RPI's from last season it looks like this:
Air Force (3 games): 140
Austin Peay (2): 199
Georgia Southern (3): 104
Jackson State (1): 261
Mount St. Mary's (3): 238
Southern MS (1): 21
Evansville (3): 72
South Alabama (1): 141
New Orleans (1): 94
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Originally Posted by Coach34
I think this is probably right, with the caveat that if you have a talented enough team, you can show plenty of signs of bad coaching while still doing ok. I assume the SEC talent is good enough that if we show the same level of coaching as the past couple of years, we're not going to be able to overcome that and it will be moot. But at least pre-NIL, we were in a position that we didn't have to accept the equivalent of a rich man's Stansbury in basketball. That may have changed now with NIL and most of the SEC caring about baseball.
Had a friend at all 3 scrimmages and he said that while the second and third games were better than the first they were still not very high quality. He is as optimist as it gets. pitching could see some improvement but defense was awful. Said looks like we may be in for another long year
The LOVE FEST continues.........We were freaking 9-21 in the league........Yeah, we were terrible by MSU and SEC standards............Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We were 14th 2 years ago, 13th last year, and missed on ALL of our top portal targetsQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
13th in the SEC. That's acceptable to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
EDIT: Arnett was 4-0 in the non con, and you wanted to bring him back too. Guess your at least consistent in prioritizing weak non con over SEC results
Did he miss Hoover 2 out of the last 2 seasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
He has SIGNIFICANTLY less resources there. You know thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If he missed Hoover this season you bet they're firing him- and then fundraising whatever it takes to hire a big nameQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
14/14 and 13/14. Nobody is asking him to get a national seed every year but not being the doormat of the SEC seems reasonableQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The funny thing is that we aren't building this year, we're at a relative peak and will be worse in '25. So a field of 32 finish -basically be 10th in the SEC and get bounced from a regional- is the best he can do in his 6TH SEASON, when his 7th season will be even worse... yeah, why should any fan believe in Lemo? He needs to prove he can actually build a program, not just be mediocre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We fired JoMo after 2 bowl seasons. We fired Arnett after 1 disaster. Well Lemo has put back to back seasons as bad as what Arnett did, failed to Portal in the talent even you admitted he needed too, and you want to tell me I'm "out of my damned mind" for not believing he's best for us? Wasn't it "Lemonizick" that you called him all last season?
We had bad luck in 2022 with pitching injuries. Crippled us
2023? Too many Freshman pitchers but still eeked out a winning record
2024? I expect us to make a Super unless something crazy happens. We have the talent to make Omaha. Coaches see what others cant. Let the games begin
At lease we agree that anything less than the Supers is an under performance. I think he SHOULD be fired unless he hosts (top 8ish the SEC) or wins a regional as a 2 seed. Making the field of 32 isn't good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We missed on all of our top portal targets or just your top targets?Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
There wasn't a Paul Skenes in this portal class for the mound. Montgomery was a weird situation where our coaches got misled a little bit and not by Braden. We got two potential rotation pieces in Stephens and Ligdon. We needed a third baseman and we got Kohler. We got Cam Schuelke who is a non-traditional JUCO guy who will be a big addition to the bullpen who dominated in the Cape. We got several guys through the draft that could help us out or will be big additions for us- Luke Dotson, Dylan Cupp, Nolan Stevens, Makhai Grant (injured but an elite talent), Jackson McKenzie, and Paul Spalitta. Montgomery would have been very nice to have but he isn't essential. Personally, I think he made a mistake because he could have been surrounded by Hines and Dakota Jordan in the lineup.
The biggest thing we needed was a pitching coach. We got a guy whose pitching staff finished ahead of Wes Johnson's this year and was one of the top staff's in the SEC. Believe it or not- and you don't- but we have some very talented arms that just need coaching. Holcombe, Loo, and Loftin are all MLB.com top 200 draft picks. Two of those guys will almost no doubt be in our rotation. We're not going to get three MLB.com top 200 talent guys through the portal like that.
Thats what too many arent getting. We dont lack talent. We are top 5 in the SEC in talent. We need the Sophs to take their step forward and the upper guys to play like they are capable. Thats it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State