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12-11-2023, 01:36 PM
viverlibre

Two easy fixes that could be implemented tomorrow. Reduce schollys to 65 or 70 (any walk on who plays in a game counts in that number) and stop the one time free transfer. Allow transfers enabling the student to be on scholarship at the new school and get NIL money, but has to sit out a year. I'd leave an opening for grad transfers.
12-11-2023, 02:23 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

Two easy fixes that could be implemented tomorrow. Reduce schollys to 65 or 70 (any walk on who plays in a game counts in that number) and stop the one time free transfer. Allow transfers enabling the student to be on scholarship at the new school and get NIL money, but has to sit out a year. I'd leave an opening for grad transfers.

Never ever going to happen. There is a huge Elephant in the room. Suffice it to say, they are not going to allow any entity to lower the number of available FREE rides Student-ATHLETES get!
12-11-2023, 02:52 PM
coachnorm

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Oh I agree. Golf. Congress. City projects...whatever. China is pumping money into our colleges. So are places like Qatar. America has become Rome- corruption rampant and rotting from within

https://geniussports.com/

Here is a link to support you perception. This is the Arab type connection in the website link. They already have their hands on the betting aspect of college football BTW. They are in competition with Las Vegas also. A little whitewashing by using London as a proxy BTW.
12-11-2023, 03:02 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

Two easy fixes that could be implemented tomorrow. Reduce schollys to 65 or 70 (any walk on who plays in a game counts in that number) and stop the one time free transfer. Allow transfers enabling the student to be on scholarship at the new school and get NIL money, but has to sit out a year. I'd leave an opening for grad transfers.

Reducing roster sizes is a great idea to spread the talent pool, but it won't stop the way NIL is being used right now. In fact, it will drive the prices up.

The transfer rules are an issue for sure. They need to buckle down and say you get 1 transfer period. But even that will get struck down soon. That goes back to unionizing and making them employees. You don't really have the right to tell any human in the USA that they can not take a better job.

Now, having said that, they ALL should be under contract, just like a coach. Auburn wants your QB.... pay the buy out and make it a stiff one. But it makes them employees. Dak is employeed in football by Dallas. Dallas has the same cap as all teams. Dak makes way more in NIL and it's not capped. But he can not just leave to a portal. He's under contract.

The way I see it going is that they will be labeled as employees and at that point, the university owns a pro team. That is going to create a lot of issues.
12-11-2023, 03:23 PM
MadDawg

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

All that has to be done is actually make it about NAME IMAGE AND LIKENESS. Player comes they do well they sell more jerseys, get more endorsements. It was NEVER meant to be pay to play. This is the Wild West and it is ruining a once great sport.

NIL is the biggest farce ever concocted.
12-11-2023, 05:04 PM
SPMT

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

NIL is the biggest farce ever concocted.

It?s why many adults are losing interest.

Older adults don?t really want to contribute it seems. Maybe it?s not like that everywhere, but I?ve talked to multiple older State and Ole Miss fans who will no longer give to NIL or the school.

The schools are bloated with useless employees in the athletic department and giving programs they will say. And NIL is just greed they feel. The ?businesses? who are supposed to get some benefit from NIL, I don?t see. Maybe a handful.

People will just watch the NFL eventually.
12-11-2023, 05:20 PM
starkvegasdawg

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

Put a cap on it. The NFL has a Salary Cap.

If any kind of cap is ever implemented then the money above that just goes underground again.
12-11-2023, 05:24 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

They can not set caps on NIL. It's illegal. Not even the NFL can do it.

LMAO, when has something being illegal made a damn bit of difference?
12-11-2023, 05:36 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

The ironic part of all this is that the impetus for all this was the fact that schools and coaches were making all this money from the TV revenue without any of it going to the players. Well, you know what, schools and coaches still have ALL that money with none going to the players and instead fans and boosters are being shaken down to throw in additional money from what they normally spend to satisfy the greed of the players who are now legally going to the highest bidder

Truth. We lost our tax write off for organizations like the BDC. Prices on everything keep rising. Now we're supposed to pay a damned salary to players on top of it. NIL should have meant players get cut in on the TV revenue and profits, not asking Joe from Podunk to give even more of his limited disposable income to players. And I will undoubtedly have someone reply to this post saying I don't understand economics, shut up, stick your hand in you pocket, pay more, and be happy about it.

This all started when coaching salaries ballooned to ridiculous amounts. Cap coaching salaries at $2M/year. Revenue share the TV money with the players and give them a cut of merch sales for jerseys, shirts, etc. Reduce schollies to 65-70 to spread out the talent and create more parity. Problem solved. But that would make sense, so it'll never happen.
12-11-2023, 05:40 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No court is going to rule that a player can not use their NIL to make money and draw a line at how much. They have ruled in the opposite. And more court cases are going to decide if the players can unionize and if they are employees.

https://frontofficesports.com/stage-...oyment-status/

Cap what a team can have on its roster in nil money. The player can have as much as he wants, but any one team is capped at say 6 million.
12-11-2023, 05:41 PM
SPMT

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

If any kind of cap is ever implemented then the money above that just goes underground again.

Well, right now it?s seems a lot different than NFL. In the NFL I assume there are contracts between players and businesses.

In the current college scenario maybe there are, but from what I know people donate money to a collective in order to buy players to come to their university of choice. I personally think that is pitiful. No one is using the name image and likeness of some random backup lineman for anything.

People don?t donate to a collective for an NFL team. They buy merchandise or products those players represent.

That may be going on in college but it?s not the norm.
12-11-2023, 05:43 PM
SPMT

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Truth. We lost our tax write off for organizations like the BDC. Prices on everything keep rising. Now we're supposed to pay a damned salary to players on top of it. NIL should have meant players get cut in on the TV revenue and profits, not asking Joe from Podunk to give even more of his limited disposable income to players. And I will undoubtedly have someone reply to this post saying I don't understand economics, shut up, stick your hand in you pocket, pay more, and be happy about it.

This all started when coaching salaries ballooned to ridiculous amounts. Cap coaching salaries at $2M/year. Revenue share the TV money with the players and give them a cut of merch sales for jerseys, shirts, etc. Reduce schollies to 65-70 to spread out the talent and create more parity. Problem solved. But that would make sense, so it'll never happen.

Agree
12-11-2023, 05:45 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

All that has to be done is actually make it about NAME IMAGE AND LIKENESS. Player comes they do well they sell more jerseys, get more endorsements. It was NEVER meant to be pay to play. This is the Wild West and it is ruining a once great sport.

Fair point. The ncaa just refuses to enforce its rules. You plant informants and take somebody down, and it would only one time. Bust them red handed and give them the dealt penalty and it would stop.

Also, just reinstating the rule that you have to sit out a year if you transfer would almost completely kill the portal.
12-11-2023, 06:17 PM
BuckyIsAB****

Will be interesting to see how the libs handle it. It?s been political from day one. It totally destroys title 9
12-11-2023, 06:21 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

LMAO, when has something being illegal made a damn bit of difference?

So you think a major organization is going to be just fine for ignoring the highest court in the USA? Come on now. Cap it and it will be in court within year.
12-11-2023, 06:33 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Cap what a team can have on its roster in nil money. The player can have as much as he wants, but any one team is capped at say 6 million.

That's not how NIL works. It's not the team paying the players. It's people and businesses working through a collective. I mean literally, this was a Supreme Court of the United States decision not the NCAA. A law suit made it all the way there where they ruled 9-0 in favor. It will never be capped. It's literally impossible to do it with that court ruling.
12-11-2023, 06:43 PM
civildawg

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Truth. We lost our tax write off for organizations like the BDC. Prices on everything keep rising. Now we're supposed to pay a damned salary to players on top of it. NIL should have meant players get cut in on the TV revenue and profits, not asking Joe from Podunk to give even more of his limited disposable income to players. And I will undoubtedly have someone reply to this post saying I don't understand economics, shut up, stick your hand in you pocket, pay more, and be happy about it.

This all started when coaching salaries ballooned to ridiculous amounts. Cap coaching salaries at $2M/year. Revenue share the TV money with the players and give them a cut of merch sales for jerseys, shirts, etc. Reduce schollies to 65-70 to spread out the talent and create more parity. Problem solved. But that would make sense, so it'll never happen.

This. NIL was supposed to be make money off autographs and jersey sales not the average fan paying you to play. The quicker the players become employees the better, in my eyes.
12-11-2023, 07:35 PM
WeWonItAll(Most)

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Originally Posted by civildawg

This. NIL was supposed to be make money off autographs and jersey sales not the average fan paying you to play. The quicker the players become employees the better, in my eyes.

Ostensibly, sure. But everyone knew that this is exactly where it was headed. There was no way to prevent it.
12-11-2023, 10:41 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Will be interesting to see how the libs handle it. It?s been political from day one. It totally destroys title 9

That ship sailed when they let a dude helicopter his way to a women's swimming championship and celebrated him as female athlete of the year. "Trans women are women." Title IX is deader than a hammer.
12-11-2023, 11:07 PM
BeardoMSU

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