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12-10-2023, 12:21 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm very cynical about college football period but especially our program. And it has nothing to do with who we fired or who we hired. Free agency with no salary cap has ruined college football for mid and lower programs

Except for the fact that we signed 4 star WRs and QBs in the portal and NIL era.
12-10-2023, 12:27 PM
Biguglyjoe

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm very cynical about college football period but especially our program. And it has nothing to do with who we fired or who we hired. Free agency with no salary cap has ruined college football for mid and lower programs

Yet you were one of the first ones over here to congratulate the last staff for pulling a JuCo player in mid-October. Life comes at you fast doesn?t it.

? Juco Shepphard commits. Bucky can give some scoop
East Miss DL pick-up. Congrats to our staff.?
12-10-2023, 12:39 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Except for the fact that we signed 4 star WRs and QBs in the portal and NIL era.

That’s two players while the haves are stockpiling talent 3 deep. This is not a sustainable situation. It will only change when those that are footing the bill decide it does. The math is very very simple.
12-10-2023, 12:40 PM
smootness

Our recruiting has remained basically unchanged since NIL started. We still get the guys we typically get.
12-10-2023, 12:42 PM
MBDawg601

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

That?s two players while the haves are stockpiling talent 3 deep. This is not a sustainable situation. It will only change when those that are footing the bill decide it does. The math is very very simple.

I do not think anyone is stockpiling talent 3 deep. No more than they use to at least. Most players that are not starting that have talent are looking to transfer and start somewhere. The haves have always had deeper talent than we do, NIL didn't impact this at all.
12-10-2023, 12:46 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by smootness

Our recruiting has remained basically unchanged since NIL started. We still get the guys we typically get.

This is correct. MSU is a Coach em up program. And State will keep firing and hiring until we find the right Coach em up Coach. It's not diamonds in the rough any more though. It's the guys who get passed over by the Blue Bloods who have something to prove and are willing to work harder to prove it. The Leach Beach needs to turn into the Gumbo Mud Pit, and these guys need to buy into it like Pigs to Slop!
12-10-2023, 12:54 PM
TheLostDawg

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

This is correct. MSU is a Coach em up program. And State will keep firing and hiring until we find the right Coach em up Coach. It's not diamonds in the rough any more though. It's the guys who get passed over by the Blue Bloods who have something to prove and are willing to work harder to prove it. The Leach Beach needs to turn into the Gumbo Mud Pit, and these guys need to buy into it like Pigs to Slop!

I think that it's help keep players most importantly for us instead of them going pro first chance they get. What's hurt is the free transfer. I feel like that has hurt us most. Look at the qb situation we would have had this past year
12-10-2023, 01:02 PM
Dawgface

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm very cynical about college football period but especially our program. And it has nothing to do with who we fired or who we hired. Free agency with no salary cap has ruined college football for mid and lower programs

I too am cynical about the new era we are in. But I'm not ready to throw my hands up yet. I'm hopeful that we see some adjustments to the system as total free agency and no salary cap is unsubstantial for the masses. But we will see.....if it does continue I probably will throw up my hands.
12-10-2023, 01:05 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

It’s hard to argue with that statement. It’s a fact, without regulation it’s not a sustainable model for 90% of the institutions.

But we've never been a top 20 program.
I see no reason we can't be a 7-5/8-4 program in this era just like we have been at our best times.

Just get the qb position right.
12-10-2023, 01:06 PM
Bdawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'm very cynical about college football period but especially our program. And it has nothing to do with who we fired or who we hired. Free agency with no salary cap has ruined college football for mid and lower programs

I agree here. I feel at times we are just here to showcase talent that happen to seep through the cracks of the big boys and they just roster rob us if they feel the need. I feel this model is far worse for us than helpful. I think thats why Kiffen hit the portal hard at OM. It takes some leverage away from the players to some extent.
12-10-2023, 01:10 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by confucius say

But we've never been a top 20 program.
I see no reason we can't be a 7-5/8-4 program in this era just like we have been at our best times.

Just get the qb position right.

Not defending 34 for his attitude but I do understand his issue. And as far as getting the QB right, Top 15 QBs don't want to play for 7-5, 8-4 programs. And they certainly don't want to transfer to a complete rebuild like we are staring at. Leach is not the reason we are in a complete rebuild though. Cohen and Keenum are.
12-10-2023, 01:16 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Not defending 34 for his attitude but I do understand his issue. And as far as getting the QB right, Top 15 QBs don't want to play for 7-5, 8-4 programs. And they certainly don't want to transfer to a complete rebuild like we are staring at. Leach is not the reason we are in a complete rebuild though. Cohen and Keenum are.

Yea they do. Watch where they end up this cycle.

They want a platform, a chance to win, a good offense, and 7 figures. We now have 3 of the 4 for sure and if we can get back to the Mullen/leach 7-5/8-4 then that is plenty chance to win.
12-10-2023, 01:19 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by confucius say

But we've never been a top 20 program.
I see no reason we can't be a 7-5/8-4 program in this era just like we have been at our best times.

Just get the qb position right.

All of yall continue to reference the past, what we were and how we have done things in the past without regard for the drastic change in the paradigm. The fact is that the past is in the past, we have entered into a new era over the last two years it’s a new day whether you choose to see it or not.
12-10-2023, 01:27 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

That’s two players while the haves are stockpiling talent 3 deep. This is not a sustainable situation. It will only change when those that are footing the bill decide it does. The math is very very simple.

LOL! It's not 2 players.
12-10-2023, 01:28 PM
chef dixon

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

All of yall continue to reference the past, what we were and how we have done things in the past without regard for the drastic change in the paradigm. The fact is that the past is in the past, we have entered into a new era over the last two years it’s a new day whether you choose to see it or not.

But what's really different at the end of the day? We sucked for 90% of the old era lol. We will cycle to 7-9 win seasons every so often just like before.
12-10-2023, 01:29 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

This is correct. MSU is a Coach em up program. And State will keep firing and hiring until we find the right Coach em up Coach. It's not diamonds in the rough any more though. It's the guys who get passed over by the Blue Bloods who have something to prove and are willing to work harder to prove it. The Leach Beach needs to turn into the Gumbo Mud Pit, and these guys need to buy into it like Pigs to Slop!

I think that changed and it started under Mullen. Leach showed MSU that 4 star QBs would come here. We had more WRs in our room that were 4 star guys than ever. Now Lebby is showing it.
12-10-2023, 01:30 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Yea they do. Watch where they end up this cycle.

They want a platform, a chance to win, a good offense, and 7 figures. We now have 3 of the 4 for sure and if we can get back to the Mullen/leach 7-5/8-4 then that is plenty chance to win.

Which is why we got Shapen and MVB
12-10-2023, 01:32 PM
Saltydog

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

It?s hard to argue with that statement. It?s a fact, without regulation it?s not a sustainable model for 90% of the institutions.

Yep and I see and hear a lot of disgruntled fans and honestly, my interest has waned. I just don't get as emotionally involved as I did in the past. If something is not done soon, there's gonna be a lot more people that simply check out on collegiate sports, football in particular.
12-10-2023, 01:55 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

LOL! It's not 2 players.

That’s semantics and you’re trying to play word games when it painfully obvious what the point is young lady.
12-10-2023, 02:16 PM
Goldendawg

Is Magee committed or not? No change in our commits, team ranking on 24/7 and no article about this on genespage. ?????

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