Title IX lawsuit vs NIL

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12-01-2023, 04:35 PM
Catfish

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Correct. There must be a link between the school and the collective to satisfy the state action requirement. I suspect coaches have directed collectives how to spend money, and that would be an issue.

Bingo!! They're going to dig deep and find out what role coaches played in this.
12-01-2023, 04:38 PM
Cooterpoot

Decent chance this is one of the big hitters in football breaking off from normal athletics. But, Title 9 is about opportunity and females have the same opportunity to make money. See LSU as two of their top NILs were a gymnast and women's BBall player.
12-01-2023, 05:11 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Decent chance this is one of the big hitters in football breaking off from normal athletics. But, Title 9 is about opportunity and females have the same opportunity to make money. See LSU as two of their top NILs were a gymnast and women's BBall player.

Good point on the money at lsu
12-01-2023, 05:15 PM
Activated Alpha

University of Oregon is the first to be sued for NIL, but I can bet my trailer that Mississippi State would be the first university to lose a NIL lawsuit.
12-01-2023, 05:25 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

See LSU as two of their top NILs were a gymnast and women's BBall player.

But those are actual NIL deals. I think there is a decent chance they win the lawsuit and ultimately schools either pay everyone a flat amount or are forced to become less involved.

There is a huge difference in an athlete working out their own NIL deal with another company or agency, and a program paying an athlete for being an athlete. They have a pretty good case here.
12-01-2023, 05:36 PM
Catfish

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Originally Posted by smootness

But those are actual NIL deals. I think there is a decent chance they win the lawsuit and ultimately schools either pay everyone a flat amount or are forced to become less involved.

There is a huge difference in an athlete working out their own NIL deal with another company or agency, and a program paying an athlete for being an athlete. They have a pretty good case here.

PARITY in college football?
12-01-2023, 05:40 PM
The Federalist Engineer

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

University of Oregon is the first to be sued for NIL, but I can bet my trailer that Mississippi State would be the first university to lose a NIL lawsuit.

Raiding MSU's NIL may not be worth any lawyer's time. The legal horde is going to first amass on the outskirts of Austin and College Station.

That said, I thought our biggest NIL hauler was a young lady, the blonde softball player.
12-01-2023, 05:42 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by smootness

But those are actual NIL deals. I think there is a decent chance they win the lawsuit and ultimately schools either pay everyone a flat amount or are forced to become less involved.

There is a huge difference in an athlete working out their own NIL deal with another company or agency, and a program paying an athlete for being an athlete. They have a pretty good case here.

They are all actual NIL deals.

How will they show that a program is paying an athlete for being an athlete if the entity doing the paying (the collective) is private and not the program?
12-01-2023, 05:56 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

They are all actual NIL deals.

How will they show that a program is paying an athlete for being an athlete if the entity doing the paying (the collective) is private and not the program?

You have programs where every single football player has an NIL deal. I think that is where the arguments are going to go. Hard to argue that a 4th stringer is getting paid through a school NIL for anything more than just being on the team.
12-01-2023, 06:00 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

But those are actual NIL deals. I think there is a decent chance they win the lawsuit and ultimately schools either pay everyone a flat amount or are forced to become less involved.

There is a huge difference in an athlete working out their own NIL deal with another company or agency, and a program paying an athlete for being an athlete. They have a pretty good case here.

I don't disagree w you but the BI, for example isnt w the school. So being a separate entity, not sure how they can tell them how to spend the money. But .... never know.
12-01-2023, 06:51 PM
Cooterpoot

This is a likekeness and image usage deal that's somewhat seperate from the school. Who believes a female soccer player is having their image/likeness utilized like top football players?
Again, it's opportunity. NIL isn't school sponsored and schools can't control NIL or contribute to it.
12-01-2023, 07:18 PM
redstickdawg

It may be legally separate frm the school, but it will be very easy to uncover evidence that NIL folks have talked to coaches or others associated with the school. In many cases the NIL sponsors just sent their $'s to the athletes directly and reduced their donation to the booster clubs. The death blow to the present NIL system will be when the lawyers are able to piece the various elements together, which shouldn't be too hard. When that happens the NCAA and title 9 will fall apart.
12-01-2023, 08:00 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by redstickdawg

It may be legally separate frm the school, but it will be very easy to uncover evidence that NIL folks have talked to coaches or others associated with the school. In many cases the NIL sponsors just sent their $'s to the athletes directly and reduced their donation to the booster clubs. The death blow to the present NIL system will be when the lawyers are able to piece the various elements together, which shouldn't be too hard. When that happens the NCAA and title 9 will fall apart.

And they'll find the coaches didn't get what they wanted a lot of times. And I do mean a lot.
12-01-2023, 08:17 PM
BeardoMSU

Nm.
12-01-2023, 08:54 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

They don?t have a case. It?s not through the school. NIL is private

Doesn't matter in today's world. I think the case will lose but who knows.
12-01-2023, 09:30 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

This is a likekeness and image usage deal that's somewhat seperate from the school. Who believes a female soccer player is having their image/likeness utilized like top football players?
Again, it's opportunity. NIL isn't school sponsored and schools can't control NIL or contribute to it.

Schools absolutely do control how the NIL money is spent. The way these collectives are run has essentially nothing to do with actual NIL.
12-01-2023, 10:16 PM
Goldendawg

Title IX is no longer protecting women's sports on many levels today.
12-01-2023, 11:30 PM
maroonmania

Player greed has college athletics on a very dangerous path. You have pre-NIL players suing for money and now femaie athletes suing for money. Just shows what a joke NIL is in that it was supposed to be folks making money off their name, likeness and image. If that was true there would be no basis for suing because each individual would just be making money off their own personal notoriety. However, the majority of NIL is just straight pay for play which opens things up for the lawsuits.
12-02-2023, 08:13 AM
Offshore Dawg

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Title IX is no longer protecting women's sports on many levels today.

THEY NEED TO PROTECT THE BIOGIOCAL LADIES FIRST AGAINST TRANSGENDER WANTABEES, and yea I am yelling.
12-02-2023, 08:18 AM
Pancho

word. why do we have no girls changing into a man to play the boy sports for?

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