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11-09-2023, 01:42 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

You just listed 4 guys that have as much job security as any 4 coaches in the country. They are all good coaches at schools that will give them plenty of rope to struggle in the event of a down season or even two. SEC schools don't do that. Two maybe, one bad season is all it takes to get fired from an SEC school.

We are looking to fire someone after less than a year. Justified or not, that is going to give coaches like the four you listed reason to not jump. Klieman just signed a massive extension so that is silly. Leipold is one of the hottest names in the country, he signed a nice extension last year paying him close to 5 million per year and an 8 figure buyout. Campbell has turned down better jobs than ours recently, and he went 7-6 in 2021, 4-8 in 2022, and most likely going 6-6 this year. I think he is a good coach, but 17-20 in your last three years doesn't jump off the screen.

If you are Elko, I don't see why you leave for us. You have ties to A&M and Notre Dame. You could also just stay at Duke and have as much rope as you want to build a program. He would obviously be a home run hire for us, but I just don't see why he would do it.

Arnett was an interim coach hired by our school President. This next coach is going to get 4 years. Our fans love to make excuses and sell our program short.
11-09-2023, 01:42 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

$10/$11 mil/year, they'd come. Erryone has a price.

Paying Matt Campbell 11 million a year would be an interesting strategy. I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea. Then again, its not my money. So a 4 year 44 million contract fully guaranteed would probably get the job done. The only question i would have is how much rope does that buy him, because it would seem like a lot.
11-09-2023, 01:43 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

You just listed 4 guys that have as much job security as any 4 coaches in the country. They are all good coaches at schools that will give them plenty of rope to struggle in the event of a down season or even two. SEC schools don't do that. Two maybe, one bad season is all it takes to get fired from an SEC school.

We are looking to fire someone after less than a year. Justified or not, that is going to give coaches like the four you listed reason to not jump. Klieman just signed a massive extension so that is silly. Leipold is one of the hottest names in the country, he signed a nice extension last year paying him close to 5 million per year and an 8 figure buyout. Campbell has turned down better jobs than ours recently, and he went 7-6 in 2021, 4-8 in 2022, and most likely going 6-6 this year. I think he is a good coach, but 17-20 in your last three years doesn't jump off the screen.

If you are Elko, I don't see why you leave for us. You have ties to A&M and Notre Dame. You could also just stay at Duke and have as much rope as you want to build a program. He would obviously be a home run hire for us, but I just don't see why he would do it.

Thats what some of us need to realize- To those guys State would pretty much be a lateral move
11-09-2023, 01:46 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Arnett was an interim coach hired by our school President. This next coach is going to get 4 years. Our fans love to make excuses and sell our program short.

If the next head coach goes 3-9 and then 4-8, he is not getting four years. Napier may get fired after two years at Florida and he has a top 5 recruiting class coming in this year and it still may not save him.
11-09-2023, 01:47 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

$10/$11 mil/year, they'd come. Erryone has a price.

$10 MIL per year just matches what's left on Kileman's contract. Leipold is most likely to make bank at a bigger program than us and we would have to be $9.5 MIL+ to just get his agent to pick up our phone call. We are not players for those 2 at all. Not happening.
11-09-2023, 01:49 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Thats what some of us need to realize- To those guys State would pretty much be a lateral move

I think Klieman it is a downgrade. Elko and Leipold it is a lateral move. I think it is an upgrade for Campbell. The reasons i say it is a lateral move for Leipold and Elko is because of the job security those jobs come with because they are basketball schools. Same reason people think Indiana is a great job for a coach. Low expectations and competitive money.

I mean making 5 million a year at Kansas with the watered down Big XII is an easier gig than making 6.5 million at MSU and having to deal with the new SEC.
11-09-2023, 01:52 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Paying Matt Campbell 11 million a year would be an interesting strategy. I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea. Then again, it's not my money. So a 4 year 44 million contract fully guaranteed would probably get the job done. The only question i would have is how much rope does that buy him, because it would seem like a lot.

We would go to someone else if it required $11 MIL to get Campbell.
11-09-2023, 01:55 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

We would go to someone else if it required $11 MIL to get Campbell.

I would hope so. I mean 17-20 the last three years in the Big XII doesn't scream 11 million a year.
11-09-2023, 02:03 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I would hope so. I mean 17-20 the last three years in the Big XII doesn't scream 11 million a year.

Yeah. I like Campbell more than others, especially the total job he's done at ISU, but I'm not going more than $6 MIL with him.

People forget his starting QB, was ruled out for the season on criminal gambling charges. So he had to start a redshirt freshman for this year and beat OK State.
11-09-2023, 02:14 PM
viverlibre

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

$10 MIL per year just matches what's left on Kileman's contract. Leipold is most likely to make bank at a bigger program than us and we would have to be $9.5 MIL+ to just get his agent to pick up our phone call. We are not players for those 2 at all. Not happening.

Agree we are not players for those coaches, but they'd come for the right money. A Jimbo type contract, almost anyone would come. Again, we're not going to pay anyone that, but if we decided to, we could get almost anyone.
11-09-2023, 02:16 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

Agree we are not players for those coaches, but they'd come for the right money. A Jimbo type contract, almost anyone would come. Again, we're not going to pay anyone that, but if we decided to, we could get almost anyone.

We can't give a Jimbo contract in Mississippi.
11-09-2023, 02:51 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Dude, he is the first coach since Earle Bruce in the mid 70's to even have a .500 record or better there. Their history and resources are worse than ours. He's done a very good job at ISU

This! What he has done at Iowa State is impressive in relative comparison to their past, and the total lack of recruiting.
To me this means he can evaluate talent and get more from less.
11-09-2023, 02:54 PM
PCHSDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I think Klieman it is a downgrade. Elko and Leipold it is a lateral move. I think it is an upgrade for Campbell. The reasons i say it is a lateral move for Leipold and Elko is because of the job security those jobs come with because they are basketball schools. Same reason people think Indiana is a great job for a coach. Low expectations and competitive money.

I mean making 5 million a year at Kansas with the watered down Big XII is an easier gig than making 6.5 million at MSU and having to deal with the new SEC.

I guess it's a good thing we are a basketball school now.;)
11-09-2023, 03:16 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

If the next head coach goes 3-9 and then 4-8, he is not getting four years. Napier may get fired after two years at Florida and he has a top 5 recruiting class coming in this year and it still may not save him.

No one is going 3-9 at todays version of MSU. 4 wins is almost guaranteed at MSU now. This isn't the same as Jackie's days. We schedule 4 softies and have too much SEC money not to win 4.
11-09-2023, 03:18 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I think Klieman it is a downgrade. Elko and Leipold it is a lateral move. I think it is an upgrade for Campbell. The reasons i say it is a lateral move for Leipold and Elko is because of the job security those jobs come with because they are basketball schools. Same reason people think Indiana is a great job for a coach. Low expectations and competitive money.

I mean making 5 million a year at Kansas with the watered down Big XII is an easier gig than making 6.5 million at MSU and having to deal with the new SEC.

Sad that you think Kansas and Duke football are lateral moves. You must work in the athletic department
11-09-2023, 03:23 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Funny that 3 of the 4 you named are defensive guys

If you go coordinator, you have to go offensive guy.

But if you have a proven head coach, who is also a good fit at MSU then it doesn't matter unless he runs a really boring offense.

No one but you wants to watch this Barbay shit.
11-09-2023, 03:27 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

No one is going 3-9 at todays version of MSU. 4 wins is almost guaranteed at MSU now. This isn't the same as Jackie's days. We schedule 4 softies and have too much SEC money not to win 4.

You think a guy gets year 3 if he goes back to back 4-8? No chance.
11-09-2023, 03:30 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Sad that you think Kansas and Duke football are lateral moves. You must work in the athletic department

Do I think they are lateral programs? No. The question was about the head coach position based on where things are right now. Right now, those jobs based on factors that I think you are ignoring, make those jobs lateral moves if you are the head coach.
11-09-2023, 03:31 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Arnett was an interim coach hired by our school President. This next coach is going to get 4 years. Our fans love to make excuses and sell our program short.

Yep, the way Arnett's contract is structured we weren't serious about giving him more than a year. The next coach will be an experienced guy that's getting four years.
11-09-2023, 03:38 PM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Arnett was an interim coach hired by our school President. This next coach is going to get 4 years. Our fans love to make excuses and sell our program short.

Yep been saying that since the day he was hired. For those who say no way would he agree to be a one year fill in; if you knew that you would be let go by the new boss in a year but were offered the position at the top salary would you take it? Heck I would. There will always be a DC opening somewhere.

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