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11-01-2023, 09:06 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Yeah you did:

"NIL donations are declining"

then they will deserve what they get next year when the stadium is 1/3rd full, NIL donations are declining, and the team is full speed heading towards a 2-10 season.
11-01-2023, 09:06 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by DesotoDog1967

With the portal and NIL now, does it even matter what coach in the 90's or the early 2000s did?
College football is totally different now. You have Ole Miss possibly finishing in the top ten this year.

Lane kiffin is outstanding.

He's 30-14 (.682) and 18-12 (.600) in sec.

It's amazing that lane can have this success in a lower tier sec program without running the AR
11-01-2023, 09:07 AM
bulldawg28

Dan is the Man!!!
11-01-2023, 09:13 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Homedawg just wants to stick his head into the sand and ignore just how poorly coached this team is. They aren't prepared. The coaches don't have any answers when their "gameplan" is thrown off. There is no motivation. Recruiting is the worst in the SEC. The head coach is taking advice from a former high school coach.

If the administration is afraid of firing him at 6-6 or even 5-7, then they will deserve what they get next year when the stadium is 1/3rd full, NIL donations are declining, and the team is full speed heading towards a 2-10 season. Because if you keep Arnett, that's exactly what will happen.

Nope just pointing out facts. Never stated once my opinion on cza.
11-01-2023, 09:18 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Nope just pointing out facts. Never stated once my opinion on cza.

Oh, it's very obvious that you want him to be retained.
11-01-2023, 09:22 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Oh, it's very obvious that you want him to be retained.

You don't know what I want...... the only thing is obvious is you want air raid more than anything else....I am gong to base my opinion on the full body of work....
11-01-2023, 09:29 AM
Ranchdawg

I agree with Activated Alfa. For me yes it?s about wins and losses but it?s also the product on the field. The product on the field is ATROCIOUS. Even games we won we looked really really bad. Offense and defense both look god awful. I haven?t much improvement from game one thru this past weekend. I have been at every game and watched every away game.

I believe that every coach assistant coach analyst atheletic trainer water boy needs to fired. Burn the whole program down and start over. Rebuild with a real head coach. Rebuild with vision to win championships because striving just to have enough wins to go to a meaningless bowl game is same as receiving a participation trophy. Why continue this BS of pretending to compete with coaches that we get on the cheap. Realize that coaches in the way football is played today cost lots of money. And if we don?t have the money then tell us that we don?t have the money and let?s do something about it. Also require the head coach to be very vocal what his vision is what his plans are and where he plans to be year one two three ect. Give us something anything that gives us fans hope.

Currently we have a coach that does nothing to give us hope. Does nothing to excite us the FANS. Also this ghost of atheletic director does zero to tell us what his vision is for the football program and excite the fan base. If the AD refuses then he needs to be replaced. We CANNOT continue the with current state.
11-01-2023, 09:51 AM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by Ranchdawg

I agree with Activated Alfa. For me yes it?s about wins and losses but it?s also the product on the field. The product on the field is ATROCIOUS. Even games we won we looked really really bad. Offense and defense both look god awful. I haven?t much improvement from game one thru this past weekend. .

I agree with this.

Also I'm all for patience. However this situation is really not comparable to any HC situation we had or any other college HC situation Ive known. I think potential candidates for HC would understand the circumstances the current staff was hired and fired under. Also they can see film to get a further understanding of the circumstances.

The situation we find ourselves in, is truly unique.
11-01-2023, 09:55 AM
PGHBulldogBG

Basketball is the sport I wish we focused on more. We have one of the best coaches in college basketball at maximizing talent. If we could just get some more NIL money to get a few top recruits we could win the SEC here and there and make a deep tournament run most years
11-01-2023, 09:58 AM
Maroonthirteen

I will add too. If we do get to 6-6 with a loss to OM, I would get it if State retained him. Because I would assume feelers were put and potential candidates weren't impressive and/or someone doesn't want to spend $3M plus whatever a new coach would take.

With that said, I hope we get to six wins and have a new coach next year. We need a strong front man. Also, I think Bubb is right. CZA looked like a man that already knows his future, last Saturday and this week.
11-01-2023, 10:36 AM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

Basketball is the sport I wish we focused on more. We have one of the best coaches in college basketball at maximizing talent. If we could just get some more NIL money to get a few top recruits we could win the SEC here and there and make a deep tournament run most years

That's nice but football pays the bills. The entire department sinks or swims with football.
11-01-2023, 10:45 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by KB21

Homedawg just wants to stick his head into the sand and ignore just how poorly coached this team is. They aren't prepared. The coaches don't have any answers when their "gameplan" is thrown off. There is no motivation. Recruiting is the worst in the SEC. The head coach is taking advice from a former high school coach.

If the administration is afraid of firing him at 6-6 or even 5-7, then they will deserve what they get next year when the stadium is 1/3rd full, NIL donations are declining, and the team is full speed heading towards a 2-10 season. Because if you keep Arnett, that's exactly what will happen.

Of all the people on this board, Homedawg never "sticks his head in the sand", he tells you what he honestly knows to be true based on facts, not his opinion. When he says something it's not his opinion based on emotion or how he feels, it's based on true information and he's rarely wrong. When he says something it's best to pay attention whether you like the info or not. He may not agree with the info or even want it that way himself, but he's giving you facts. I'm sure you don't agree but I don't really care.
11-01-2023, 10:45 AM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Wow...

JS: 13 years, 75-75-2 (.500), 43-59-1 (.417)

DM: 9 years, 69-46 (.600), 33-39 (.458)

Sec champs during JS tenure: 5 in 13 seasons with 3 from west

Sec champs during DM tenure: 6 in 9 seasons with all 6 from the west

Yeah, wow. We were on the same plane as USM when Jackie coached. You either know are you don't.
11-01-2023, 10:51 AM
Ranchdawg

Maroonthirteen wrote and/or someone doesn't want to spend $3M plus whatever a new coach would take.

I?m truly trying to say this nicely. To this is the root of the problem. We either don?t have the money or we elect not to spend the money. Just tell us the fan base. If we don?t have the money then rearrange our priorities and pay what a real coach cost because football is what drives the bus. If we have the monies and elect not to pay then our fate is already sealed. Because our fan base is going to completely erode. Because fans want a program they can have hope enjoy and be proud of the product on the field.
11-01-2023, 10:55 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Yeah, wow. We were on the same plane as USM when Jackie coached. You either know are you don't.

Miss state from 2001-2008...
29-65 (.309) overall
13-41 (.241) sec

Mullen walked into the greatest run of dominance a conference has saw
11-01-2023, 11:10 AM
C&DDAWG32

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Originally Posted by Ranchdawg

Maroonthirteen wrote and/or someone doesn't want to spend $3M plus whatever a new coach would take.

I?m truly trying to say this nicely. To this is the root of the problem. We either don?t have the money or we elect not to spend the money. Just tell us the fan base. If we don?t have the money then rearrange our priorities and pay what a real coach cost because football is what drives the bus. If we have the monies and elect not to pay then our fate is already sealed. Because our fan base is going to completely erode. Because fans want a program they can have hope enjoy and be proud of the product on the field.

I agree 100%. If we don't have the money I can understand. If we don't have the balls though, that's different. Even the people saying it doesn't matter who the coach is anymore because of NIL and portal is just wrong. Prime is the perfect example. CU doesn't pull that kind of talent without him.
11-01-2023, 11:17 AM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Jackie was the best coach ever here.

Yes he was. Jackie made even getting Mullen possible. Mullen basically said so himself. Jackie proved you can win at MSU. Jackie beat everybody, won SECW, and we were the best SECW team for over 4 seasons even though we only won once.

Mullen is second. He did take us to #1.

Both were great for MSU for different reasons and different eras. Both pumped life into a dead program. Both gave us some fire and moxey. Both stuck in the crawl of OM. One difference - Jackie never turned his back on MSU, went job shopping, or thought he was better than MSU - never.
11-01-2023, 11:21 AM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Yes he was. Jackie made even getting Mullen possible. Mullen basically said so himself. Jackie proved you can win at MSU. Jackie beat everybody, won SECW, and we were the best SECW team for over 4 seasons even though we only won once.

Mullen is second. He did take us to #1.

Both were great for MSU for different reasons and different eras. Both pumped life into a dead program. Both gave us some fire and moxey. Both stuck in the crawl of OM. One difference - Jackie never turned his back on MSU, went job shopping, or thought he was better than MSU - never.

Exactly!
11-01-2023, 11:23 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Yes he was. Jackie made even getting Mullen possible. Mullen basically said so himself. Jackie proved you can win at MSU. Jackie beat everybody, won SECW, and we were the best SECW team for over 4 seasons even though we only won once.

Mullen is second. He did take us to #1.

Both were great for MSU for different reasons and different eras. Both pumped life into a dead program. Both gave us some fire and moxey. Both stuck in the crawl of OM. One difference - Jackie never turned his back on MSU, went job shopping, or thought he was better than MSU - never.

Jackie absolutely went shopping. Begged for the bama job. They just didn't want him.
11-01-2023, 11:26 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Ranchdawg

Maroonthirteen wrote and/or someone doesn't want to spend $3M plus whatever a new coach would take.

I?m truly trying to say this nicely. To this is the root of the problem. We either don?t have the money or we elect not to spend the money. Just tell us the fan base. If we don?t have the money then rearrange our priorities and pay what a real coach cost because football is what drives the bus. If we have the monies and elect not to pay then our fate is already sealed. Because our fan base is going to completely erode. Because fans want a program they can have hope enjoy and be proud of the product on the field.

I guess I'm biased but football should always be the priority. I know folks want that elite baseball or basketball team but I'd rather cut some budgets and put most of that money in football. Selling out The Hump or The Dude is great but it pales in comparison when we have a series of sold out games at Davis Wade.

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