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10-01-2023, 10:33 AM
Activated Alpha

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I'm going to throw this name out there because it is a possibility. Shane Beamer. Not saying we hire him but he has a lot of State ties and is one of Selmon's BFFs. However, if it's between Petrino and Beamer, I'd go with Petrino every time. I'd go Willie Fritz over Beamer too.

I'd hire Petrino right now too. No one is saying they dislike Arnett, but you can tell he is just not ready for this position in the SEC at this time
10-01-2023, 10:33 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Now I might not argue that one. That's why I say Zach has to learn how to filter input. Can he learn that? Dunno yet.

He cannot filter himself in media interviews to stop dropping F bombs. What makes you think he can filter input?
10-01-2023, 10:35 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

He cannot filter himself in media interviews to stop dropping F bombs. What makes you think he can filter input?

I said input, not output. And I really don't care if he uses an F bomb in media sessions. I don't want a saint as a HC.
10-01-2023, 10:39 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I said input, not output. And I really don't care if he uses an F bomb in media sessions. I don't want a saint as a HC.

Neither do I, but it just is another reason he is not ready to be a HC. Dan dropped F bombs all the time, same as Moorhead, Leach, Lemonis, Howland, Schaefer, Jans, Purcell, Cohen, and every other coach we have ever had. The difference is that they know how to handle themselves as HCs. This guy does not. He does not excel at anything needed to be a HC. Like if he was a great recruiter or a great marketer then you could forgive some of the misgivings he has on and off the field. However, he does nothing well.
10-01-2023, 10:40 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

He cannot filter himself in media interviews to stop dropping F bombs. What makes you think he can filter input?

He's let the boosters set up the football program under the guise of mentoring him on the job. They have set his career back five years by doing this. Arnett should have been a head coach at a smaller D1 school to pay his dues. Mullen had been with Urban for nearly a decade when we hired him. He absorbed everything he could from Urban.
10-01-2023, 10:42 AM
SPMT

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Ok ... and get who??

Come on. That?s the easiest reply to a coaching change. This is what people said about wanting to get rid of Croom.

We all know we won?t get a ?hot name? HC, neither will most schools.

The stupidity of the complete staff overhaul with a complete rookie head coach was indication number one and they?ve just piled it on throughout the season.

It is crystal clear this staff has no clue. I mean, very obvious. It?s time to cut them and move on.
10-01-2023, 10:46 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Neither do I, but it just is another reason he is not ready to be a HC. Dan dropped F bombs all the time, same as Moorhead, Leach, Lemonis, Howland, Schaefer, Jans, Purcell, Cohen, and every other coach we have ever had. The difference is that they know how to handle themselves as HCs. This guy does not. He does not excel at anything needed to be a HC. Like if he was a great recruiter or a great marketer then you could forgive some of the misgivings he has on and off the field. However, he does nothing well.

You might be right but we don't know all that yet. That's why in my post I said let's see how rest of year plays out, and that includes the recruiting cycle too. Right now I would say we ain't doing too good at that. We need at least 1, and preferably 2, of those top 4 Dlinemen in this state.
10-01-2023, 10:48 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

He's let the boosters set up the football program under the guise of mentoring him on the job. They have set his career back five years by doing this. Arnett should have been a head coach at a smaller D1 school to pay his dues. Mullen had been with Urban for nearly a decade when we hired him. He absorbed everything he could from Urban.

Spot. On. The boosters got scared they were going to lose control and access when Cohen left so they forced this hire under the guise of keeping the recruiting class together and continuing the legacy of Leach.
10-01-2023, 10:49 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

You might be right but we don't know all that yet. That's why in my post I said let's see how rest of year plays out, and that includes the recruiting cycle too. Right now I would say we ain't doing too good at that. We need at least 1, and preferably 2, of those top 4 Dlinemen in this state.

We need all of that along with immediate transfer help. And sadly, I doubt we get either.
10-01-2023, 10:49 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

He's let the boosters set up the football program under the guise of mentoring him on the job. They have set his career back five years by doing this. Arnett should have been a head coach at a smaller D1 school to pay his dues. Mullen had been with Urban for nearly a decade when we hired him. He absorbed everything he could from Urban.

This is a key point people are missing IMO when talking about hiring a new football coach. I think we got lucky with Mullen. And what Mullen was really good at was doing much more with less and developing players over time. We need that again and they ain't a dime a dozen.
10-01-2023, 10:54 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

This is a key point people are missing IMO when talking about hiring a new football coach. I think we got lucky with Mullen. And what Mullen was really good at was doing much more with less and developing players over time. We need that again and they ain't a dime a dozen.

We made a grand slam hire with Dan and most new it from the moment we hired him. He came in and fired up the fan base, started crawling in OMs ass from the jump and was hell on wheels on the recruiting trail early on. Hell you have to remember we were only 30-50K away from pulling Cam Newton.

Again, if he is even halfway open to the idea you hire him back this afternoon. Hev would have this line looking competent by Wednesday and Dan would have Mike Wright running the Relf Coast by this evening.
10-01-2023, 11:01 AM
Leroy Jenkins

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

we need to get out of the 3-3-5 we do not have the lineman to run it.

If we don't have 3 DL, how do we play with 4?
10-01-2023, 11:01 AM
Joebob

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

The reasoning given is that he plays behind Tulu so I guess it is illegal to put them in at the same time.

Well, at least now I know :(
10-01-2023, 11:04 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

If we don't have 3 DL, how do we play with 4?

I thought our 2-4-5 looked better last night at times than our 3 DL looks this season with some of our talented young players getting more time. Thought Pick and Crumedy were playing well and gutsy all night.
10-01-2023, 11:15 AM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

The easy critique is this is Will Rogers fault. I just don't see it. Some of his play has been bad for sure, but his skill set didn't just change overnight. He's still good at the same things. Quick reads, get the ball out, attack different areas of the field to keep the defense honest, run option routes with the guys underneath, throw it to the RBs some to substitute for the running game, etc... we're not doing any of that. Wholesale change with players that don't fit the scheme. That's poor game planning. You could look at the run vs pass split after the first two games and know what was about to happen. Who in the right minds thought we were going to bow up and run the ball against SEC defenses consistently with the guys we have on campus? To me, this is 100% on the administrators and coaches.

I am really glad you posted this.
That mentality was not only by admin and coaches but pushed by some on these message boards who are friends with the good ole boys.
Arnett said when hired he would not change much. I thought that was a wise move. He already had mobile qb's committed and being recruited so take time to transition to a whole other offense.
Then after being hired he switched. He started listening to the wrong group.
Our admin seems to also have some playbook from the Templeton days that in an emergency..... hire from within and then hire their friends.
10-01-2023, 11:17 AM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We made a grand slam hire with Dan and most new it from the moment we hired him. He came in and fired up the fan base, started crawling in OMs ass from the jump and was hell on wheels on the recruiting trail early on. Hell you have to remember we were only 30-50K away from pulling Cam Newton.

Again, if he is even halfway open to the idea you hire him back this afternoon. Hev would have this line looking competent by Wednesday and Dan would have Mike Wright running the Relf Coast by this evening.

Dan is in cruise control these days. You would not be getting the hungry Dan. You would be getting South Alabama short wearing Dan.
10-01-2023, 11:19 AM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

He cannot filter himself in media interviews to stop dropping F bombs. What makes you think he can filter input?

Agree Vegas, Arnett speaking uncontrollable like that is a sign of weakness, not strength, in his press conferences.
10-01-2023, 11:32 AM
vindastra

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Originally Posted by SaintDawg

2. Drop the moral superiority charade and get a coach that wins, period. As long as he isnt breaking the law, I dont care what he did before or does now in his off time as long as he wins. If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin.
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Just don't care anymore.

Get a Briles or Hudspeth FWIW. Build them a brothel in Vegas if you want to keep it legal.
10-01-2023, 11:41 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by vindastra

Just don't care anymore.

Get a Briles or Hudspeth FWIW. Build them a brothel in Vegas if you want to keep it legal.

Most want to move away from and are complaining about the connections that was brought in for this staff and you want...Hudspeth?? Coaching in high school Hudspeth??? He is the poster child of being brought into the staff for connection purposes. If I never hear his name mentioned for HC again it will be too soon.
10-01-2023, 11:53 AM
THE Bruce Dickinson

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

No ... JoMo was an arrogant bastard that had us practicing indoors in August cause he couldn't take the August heat in MS. JoMo's receivers dropped passes right and left. JoMo started Hill over Aeris which ended up getting Fitz killed most every game.

JoMo was inexperienced and thought he knew everything. Zach is inexperienced and willing to learn I think.

I really have a hard time understanding our fanbase and the hate out there for Moorhead. Let me clue you in on something. 99% of head coaches in college football are arrogant assholes. We took some steps back with Moorhead and long term I don't think he would have worked out, but at least he win SOME games and 2 Egg Bowls. We are staring 0-8 in the SEC in the face with a senior heavy team that won 9 games last season.

Also Moorhead had big success at major programs and is still a division 1 head coach. Arnett got this job because his boss died-That's it. He, like Croom, will never again be a head coach.

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