On WRs not being where they should be

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09-20-2023, 12:08 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

But why does it always seem to to be us as an on the job training site on so many levels including AD, HC, OC, DC, etc?

LOL ... we're MState.
09-20-2023, 12:09 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

Neither one of the OL coaches are versed in the wide zone scheme they are trying to run either, which also means the TE's coach isn't versed in this scheme. Tony Hughes and Greg Knox? Nope. Bumphis. Yes. He was on Liepold's staff at Buffalo, and they ran wide zone.

You act like that's a complicated scheme. It's not
09-20-2023, 12:19 PM
KB21

It's obviously too complex for Will Friend to coach it.
09-20-2023, 12:28 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Leach took the 109th passing team to 20th WITHOUT the ability to install the system properly due to covid.

It's coaching.

Leach also took the 21st best team in the country running the football to dead last in the country- 127th....Thats Coaching!!

(When you throw almost every play- of course your stats will be high in that area)
09-20-2023, 12:46 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

But why does it always seem to to be us as an on the job training site on so many levels including AD, HC, OC, DC, etc?

Because we are cheap. Time and time again, we take the cheap way that might work out over the expensive way that probably will work out. That means internal promotions, 1st time HCs, OCs who have never truly installed and ran their own offense before, keeping a failed Lemo for year 6, etc. sometimes we get away with it, usually we don't.
09-20-2023, 12:55 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

You act like that's a complicated scheme. It's not

It may not be, but our OL for 3 games has been a dumpster fire because they don't get it. Dak would be running for his life behind them in this scheme.
09-20-2023, 01:05 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Leach also took the 21st best team in the country running the football to dead last in the country- 127th....Thats Coaching!!

(When you throw almost every play- of course your stats will be high in that area)

And when you are in an SEC only schedule and running it that little, yes it will lower your stats.

Point is, that was Leach's system and he implemented it without a spring session and limited summer. Yet he still produced and he beat LSU on the road.

Step away from Leach. Prime brought in 86 new players and a NEW OC. Yet they looked prepared in that system.

No matter how you try to slice it, we have a coaching problem.
09-20-2023, 01:53 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

And when you are in an SEC only schedule and running it that little, yes it will lower your stats.

Point is, that was Leach's system and he implemented it without a spring session and limited summer. Yet he still produced and he beat LSU on the road.

Step away from Leach. Prime brought in 86 new players and a NEW OC. Yet they looked prepared in that system.

No matter how you try to slice it, we have a coaching problem.

Prime had experience as a successful HC , even if on Jackson State level. Also a great pro career in both FB and baseball and great confidence, name recognition, and a national following. Still waiting for him to take his lumps at CSU, could be Saturday. He flipped about 80 players on his roster and they looked well coached and seem to execute their schemes thus far. Our rookie staff are ruining a veteran SEC team ala JoMo.
09-20-2023, 01:55 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

It's obviously too complex for Will Friend to coach it.

And his co-OL coach. What other SEC teams have two OL coaches?
09-20-2023, 02:29 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Yeah it looks really bad.

Air raid had the same option routes. We (they) are just panicking right now because we aren't comfortable or are confused about what we are looking at, QB and WR are not seeing the same thing.

It's kind of a miracle we haven't thrown the ball to the other team yet.

Year one, there shouldn't be option routes in year one. Will should make the call at the line which way they are to go, based on alignment and signal to hte WRs. Ball snapped, WR run a crisp route, complete passes.
09-20-2023, 02:31 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Prime had experience as a successful HC , even if on Jackson State level. Also a great pro career in both FB and baseball and great confidence, name recognition, and a national following. Still waiting for him to take his lumps at CSU, could be Saturday. He flipped about 80 players on his roster and they looked well coached and seem to execute their schemes thus far. Our rookie staff are ruining a veteran SEC team ala JoMo.

Ouch, truth hurts. Hope someone asks Coach ZA about this in person on air at the coaches radio show Thursday at 6:30 at Walk-Ons.
How did Coach Prime do all that, and we can't complete a screen pass with the SECs most decorated QB and a veteran OL and WRs?
09-20-2023, 06:42 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by KB21

I'm really wondering if we have an offensive coordinator who is running a scheme that he really doesn't know that well? Barbay is definitely trying to install the Appalachian State wide zone scheme at Mississippi State. The thing is, last year is the only year he coached in that scheme. Their head coach, Shawn Clark, has coached that scheme for years. They ran that scheme when he was the OL coach for Scott Satterfield and when he was the offensive coordinator for Eliah Drinkwitz. That's what they do. They major in the wide zone, and everything else works off that wide zone run base scheme. Barbay has coached for years with Jim McElwain. Jim is definitely a pro style coach and runs some wide zone, but it has never been the base for his offense. Jim has mostly been an inside zone guy who sprinkles in some gap scheme.

Barbay seems to not really know how to make the wide zone run play work out of 10 personnel or 20 personnel, and he's really struggling with connecting the passing scheme to the running scheme.

Barbay doesn't have an offensive identity. We look like App State with an Air Raid formation thrown in here or there. That's part of the problem.

The other part of this communication piece is just from not working hard enough together or the coaches not teaching it well enough or both.

But it's hard to focus on something when you're just running a pile of plays and so there isn't really anything to build on.
09-20-2023, 06:43 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Year one, there shouldn't be option routes in year one. Will should make the call at the line which way they are to go, based on alignment and signal to hte WRs. Ball snapped, WR run a crisp route, complete passes.

Why not? We ran option routes in the Air Raid all the time.

They need to work on it.
09-20-2023, 07:37 PM
Pinto

So what routes were Will and Woody looking at when we f?ed up that screen pass?
09-20-2023, 08:02 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by KB21

It's obviously too complex for Will Friend to coach it.

Yeah he has to suck, he's been hired by 5 sec teams. Clearly he has to suck. Or maybe, just maybe, he knows something and I assure you he knows more than your ass.
09-20-2023, 08:03 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

It may not be, but our OL for 3 games has been a dumpster fire because they don't get it. Dak would be running for his life behind them in this scheme.

I'm not arguing that our OL has been good. It's been bad. I, unlike kb and Bucky, and can call it like it is.
09-20-2023, 08:04 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

And when you are in an SEC only schedule and running it that little, yes it will lower your stats.

Point is, that was Leach's system and he implemented it without a spring session and limited summer. Yet he still produced and he beat LSU on the road.

Step away from Leach. Prime brought in 86 new players and a NEW OC. Yet they looked prepared in that system.

No matter how you try to slice it, we have a coaching problem.

It's not hard to implement 10 plays. Not knocking it. But it's super simple.
09-20-2023, 08:05 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Pinto

So what routes were Will and Woody looking at when we f?ed up that screen pass?

that was simply an over throw. Nobody is saying that we have perfect players. But damn, at least give them a fighting chance to succeed.
09-20-2023, 08:05 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

And his co-OL coach. What other SEC teams have two OL coaches?

That's on title only. Friend is the OL coach.
09-20-2023, 08:06 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Yeah he has to suck, he's been hired by 5 sec teams. Clearly he has to suck. Or maybe, just maybe, he knows something and I assure you he knows more than your ass.

Being hired by 5 schools that also either fired him or the staff does not make him good.

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