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09-10-2023, 09:52 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by msugolf

If Arizona A plus game includes 5 turnovers then I wonder what their C or even F game would look like? Geez

That's on our defense doing their jobs.

Jed Fisch had a good game plan. We didn't.
09-10-2023, 09:53 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

And Barbay was very fortunate that the defense got all those turnovers or this could have been a true disaster

100% correct.
09-10-2023, 09:53 AM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I think it is a mix of 2 and 3. I think he is struggling to figure out how to properly use Will. I think he would prefer to use Wright but knows that he cannot replace Will so he is still trying to figure out the offense. I also think his offense at App State was the HC micromanaging things.

Not saying that's wrong, but it doesn't jive to me.

If I wanted to replace Will with Wright, I'd let Wright throw it. I'd let Wright run it more than 1 time. I'd let Wright get the 4th down and short plays instead of putting Will back in to have him handoff. I'd use the better QB where I can even if I have to keep Will as the "starter". I'd also have will throw it deep more, so he can either sink or swim and if sink expedite the change at QB i want.

I just see no way an OC would go "man I really wish I could start the backup" but then not use the backup at all even when it's appropriate to do so
09-10-2023, 09:55 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No, any QB can and will miss some. The issue lies with the person not allowing a 76% passer to get in a rhythm. He has the plays, he stated they have the plays..... he just isn't using them.

I agree with that. I guess Barbay thought he could App St/Texas A&M this game but Jimbo wishes he had De Laura as his QB. Barbay screwed the pooch last night. Thanks to the tenacity of the team for grinding it out and making some key plays to edge out a win.
09-10-2023, 09:56 AM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

That's on our defense doing their jobs.

Jed Fisch had a good game plan. We didn't.

They did not. They threw INTs on their first several possessions and we ran it down their throats with our base run plays. They did not have a good gameplan on either side of the ball. Conversely, we excelled at what we planed to do.

BUT, they did adjust on both sides. We did not on either
09-10-2023, 09:59 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

They did not. They threw INTs on their first several possessions and we ran it down their throats with our base run plays. They did not have a good gameplan on either side of the ball. Conversely, we excelled at what we planed to do.

BUT, they did adjust on both sides. We did not on either

We totally didn't adjust on either side of the ball. I am 100% with you there.

Jed Fisch is a good coach that upgraded in the portal. That's P5 football today.
09-10-2023, 10:02 AM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I agree with that. I guess Barbay thought he could App St/Texas A&M this game but Jimbo wishes he had De Laura as his QB. Barbay screwed the pooch last night. Thanks to the tenacity of the team for grinding it out and making some key plays to edge out a win.

And I'm not saying going back to Him throwing it 40 plus times per game.

We had 5 offensive possessions in the second half. The first was a short field and a TD pass after 3 runs in a row. The others:

1st & 10 at MSST 21
(6:29 - 3rd) Seth Davis run for 4 yds to the MSST 25
2nd & 6 at MSST 25
(6:29 - 3rd) Seth Davis run for 5 yds to the MSST 30
3rd & 1 at MSST 30
(6:29 - 3rd) Jeffery Pittman run for no gain to the MSST 30
4th & 1 at MSST 30
(4:08 - 3rd) Keelan Crimmins punt for 40 yds, fair catch by Jacob Cowing at the ARIZ 30

1st & 10 at MSST 12
(1:22 - 3rd) Will Rogers pass complete to Simeon Price for 8 yds to the MSST 20
2nd & 2 at MSST 20
(1:22 - 3rd) Will Rogers pass complete to Jo'Quavious Marks for 13 yds to the MSST 33 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at MSST 33
(0:00 - 3rd) Jo'Quavious Marks run for 6 yds to the MSST 39
End of 3rd Quarter
2nd & 4 at MSST 39
(15:00 - 4th) Will Rogers pass complete to Lideatrick Griffin for 9 yds to the MSST 48 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at MSST 48
(15:00 - 4th) Will Rogers pass incomplete
2nd & 10 at MSST 48
(15:00 - 4th) Jeffery Pittman run for 1 yd to the MSST 49
3rd & 9 at MSST 49
(15:00 - 4th) Will Rogers sacked by Jacob Manu for a loss of 6 yards to the MSST 43

1st & 10 at MSST 25
(9:14 - 4th) Arizona Penalty, Personal Foul (Isaiah Taylor) to the ARIZ 23 for a 1ST down
1st & 10 at ARIZ 23
(9:14 - 4th) Jo'Quavious Marks run for 6 yds to the ARIZ 17
(7:36 - 4th) Timeout Mississippi State, clock 07:36
2nd & 4 at ARIZ 17
(7:36 - 4th) Jo'Quavious Marks run for 1 yd to the ARIZ 16
3rd & 3 at ARIZ 16
(7:36 - 4th) Jo'Quavious Marks run for a loss of 2 yards to the ARIZ 18
4th & 5 at ARIZ 18
(6:47 - 4th) Kyle Ferrie 36 yd FG GOOD

1st & 10 at MSST 38
(4:15 - 4th) Jo'Quavious Marks run for 4 yds to the MSST 42
2nd & 6 at MSST 42
(4:15 - 4th) Mike Wright run for a loss of 3 yards to the MSST 39
3rd & 9 at MSST 39
(4:15 - 4th) Will Rogers pass incomplete
4th & 9 at MSST 39
(2:43 - 4th) Keelan Crimmins punt for 37 yds, fair catch by Jacob Cowing at the ARIZ 24

That's horrible and shows they were now keying on the run game.
09-10-2023, 10:03 AM
Ranchdawg

Everybody is yakking about offensive woes. But to me the defense last night was absolutely abysmal. Cover that rb out of the backfield and those swing passes. Az was extremely well coached and made adjustments on defense and offense. They coached circles around our coaches. Fix it deadgum it. Second game I watched in person. WOW really bad.
09-10-2023, 10:06 AM
Schultzy

Dr. Ruby says it’s a perfect day to be an MSU fan, we won the game and still have plenty to bitch about.
09-10-2023, 10:08 AM
EdwardDrayton

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Every starting QB in college and the NFL miss receivers without exceptions. Rogers was 75% yesterday on plays that Barbary called. He accounted for 162 yards and averaged 9.5 yards per pass.

Instead of taking passes away (that resulted in them keying on the run game.) adding 12 passes would have resulted in opening up the run game more.

You have to look beyond the top level stat. Yes, he threw for 162 yards. BUT, for example, the pass to Pittman was to the LOS and Pittman ran the 29 yards. Will really is not doing much through the air.
09-10-2023, 10:08 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Ranchdawg

Everybody is yakking about offensive woes. But to me the defense last night was absolutely abysmal. Cover that rb out of the backfield and those swing passes. Az was extremely well coached and made adjustments on defense and offense. They coached circles around our coaches. Fix it deadgum it. Second game I watched in person. WOW really bad.

A seasoned group of coaches in year three of their tenure out coached our younger coaches in year one. That is 100% fact. It was the fight in the our team that made the difference.
09-10-2023, 10:11 AM
EdwardDrayton

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

A seasoned group of coaches in year three of their tenure out coached our younger coaches in year one. That is 100% fact. It was the fight in the our team that made the difference.

Ours struggled with having the right personnel on the field for the situation and at times our blitz schemes were head scratching.
09-10-2023, 10:12 AM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Ranchdawg

Everybody is yakking about offensive woes. But to me the defense last night was absolutely abysmal. Cover that rb out of the backfield and those swing passes. Az was extremely well coached and made adjustments on defense and offense. They coached circles around our coaches. Fix it deadgum it. Second game I watched in person. WOW really bad.

Agreed. We had players miss assignments, on 4th and short we aligned 1 DB over 2 WR stacks and gave up super easy conversions because of it, we never adjusted to covering men in the flat, we never really tried a QB spy (that I saw anyway), we did not have the front 6 contain Lelaura very well, several run plays we got blown back, and we failed to generate pressure way too often. Yeah, the D has work to do.

But the defense has a much higher floor than the offense, that's why we're focusing on the offense. But yesterday the defense was actually a bigger disappointment vs my expectations
09-10-2023, 10:16 AM
Lord McBuckethead

I would skip Wright and go with Parson unless his injury from HS is still an issue. What do we gain with Wright over Parson?
09-10-2023, 10:19 AM
defiantdog

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Originally Posted by Ranchdawg

Everybody is yakking about offensive woes. But to me the defense last night was absolutely abysmal. Cover that rb out of the backfield and those swing passes. Az was extremely well coached and made adjustments on defense and offense. They coached circles around our coaches. Fix it deadgum it. Second game I watched in person. WOW really bad.

It's hard to cover the RB when the LBs blitz every play
09-10-2023, 10:20 AM
Offshore Dawg

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

That's right. We will have a massive transferring out.

And you can't blame them either.
09-10-2023, 10:20 AM
defiantdog

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

I would skip Wright and go with Parson unless his injury from HS is still an issue. What do we gain with Wright over Parson?

Parson may be the man next season so he needs some reps for sure
09-10-2023, 10:20 AM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

I would skip Wright and go with Parsons unless his injury from HS is still an issue. What do we gain with Wright over Parsons?

Wright is faster. Wright has proven to have good vision. Wright has proven he can throw 57% vs SEC defenses with an acceptable INT rate. Wright has at least seen SEC defenses and knows how to keep his head. Parsons is a true Fr, he may be better or worse than Wright at any of these. But he's probably much worse mentally just from less coaching and experience
09-10-2023, 10:21 AM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton

Ours struggled with having the right personnel on the field for the situation and at times our blitz schemes were head scratching.

I haven't seen us blitz this much since Joe Lee Dunn ..... too many times we sent BOTH linebackers and paid the price.... that just shouldn't happen with a defensive HC like Arnett - he could have taken the initiative and stopped some of it.
09-10-2023, 10:22 AM
EdwardDrayton

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

Dr. Ruby says it’s a perfect day to be an MSU fan, we won the game and still have plenty to bitch about.

Not sure these posts would look any different had we lost. Two weeks of the same issues. We just played an inferior opponent that gifted us turnovers.

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