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03-03-2023, 10:43 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

How'd that work out for ol' Kliff? lol

I believe he's enjoying a nice long vacation in Thailand or somewhere like that, lol.
03-03-2023, 10:59 AM
KB21

If he would have actually pushed the limits of the passing game, he?d probably still have a job.
03-03-2023, 11:08 AM
KB21

Last three SB champs:
KC 651 pass attempts 417 rush attempts
LA 607 pass attempts 420 rush attempts
TB 626 pass attempts 369 rush attempts
03-03-2023, 11:14 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by KB21

Last three SB champs:
KC 651 pass attempts 417 rush attempts
LA 607 pass attempts 420 rush attempts
TB 626 pass attempts 369 rush attempts

If you have Brady, Mahomes, or burrow, you should absolutely air it out. What about the 25 or so nfl teams that don't have elite qbs? Do you think hurts woulda been an mvp candidate if he threw it 60+%? I don't. The threat of his run made the pass effective

You realize there's different ways to win, right?
03-03-2023, 11:20 AM
msstate7

The coach you're complaining about...

2022 cowboys: 647 passes, 473 runs

Dak led the nfl in ints
03-03-2023, 11:24 AM
KB21

If you can?t throw the ball, you can?t win. Period. I don?t care how well you run it, if you can?t throw it, it doesn?t matter.
03-03-2023, 11:26 AM
KB21

I will never understand the infatuation some Mississippi State fans have with running the ball and the TE position.
03-03-2023, 11:31 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by KB21

I will never understand the infatuation some Mississippi State fans have with running the ball and the TE position.

Think Kelce played a part in that Super Bowl?

What was miss state's run/pass split in their most successful season the last decade?
03-03-2023, 11:32 AM
msstate7

Since this is an nfl thread, what nfl team doesn't use a te?
03-03-2023, 11:58 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Since this is an nfl thread, what nfl team doesn't use a te?

Absolutely none and the best teams generally have very effective TEs.
03-04-2023, 07:02 AM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by KB21

I will never understand the infatuation some Mississippi State fans have with running the ball and the TE position.

Because there isn't an infatuation.

Have a good weekend, Bo.
03-05-2023, 06:46 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Because there isn't an infatuation.

Have a good weekend, Bo.

There isn?t? We have fans who want to remove Rufus Harvey from the line up so they can play an extra blocker.
03-05-2023, 07:13 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by KB21

Got to love those who still believe the running game is the most important aspect of offense

If you can gain 5+ yards reliably on 1st down, your team is going to be good. If you cannot manage 7 yards in 2 plays running, then you will have more punts.
03-05-2023, 07:49 PM
Pancho

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Originally Posted by KB21

There isn?t? We have fans who want to remove Rufus Harvey from the line up so they can play an extra blocker.

KB21 sounds about like Jerruh Jones except for the powder blue racist rebel/bear/shart part and he also thinks he's the smartest SOB in the room as well. I think they are both simply SOB's.
03-05-2023, 09:09 PM
parabrave

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Originally Posted by Pancho

KB21 sounds about like Jerruh Jones except for the powder blue racist rebel/bear/shart part and he also thinks he's the smartest SOB in the room as well. I think they are both simply SOB's.

Naw he is the head dead horse beater at the Frau Brewhwer Glue Factory.
03-05-2023, 11:17 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If you have Brady, Mahomes, or burrow, you should absolutely air it out. What about the 25 or so nfl teams that don't have elite qbs? Do you think hurts woulda been an mvp candidate if he threw it 60+%? I don't. The threat of his run made the pass effective

You realize there's different ways to win, right?

Even the Eagles threw the ball 50% of the time last year. And that was near the bottom of the NFL. Most of the NFL doesn't believe in the establish the run mantra anymore. Now it's pass to get the lead and run to stay there.

The league as a whole throws it I believe it was 55% of the time. There are different ways to win but some are better than others. And analytics shows that passing is better.
03-05-2023, 11:25 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

If you can gain 5+ yards reliably on 1st down, your team is going to be good. If you cannot manage 7 yards in 2 plays running, then you will have more punts.

The reality is getting 5+ yards on first down is easier to do when you pass on first down than run it. Only 6 running backs in the NFL averaged 5.0 YPC last year.

Last year there were 23 receivers in the NFL that averaged over 10+ a reception alone.
03-05-2023, 11:28 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

#1 nfl defense, SF
#2 Philly
#3 Washington

SF off breakdown...
512 passes, 504 rushes

Philly offensive breakdown...
536 passes, 544 rushes

Washington off breAkdown...
554 passes, 538 rushes

All 3 were top 10 in total rushes

Analytics says that when you have a lead you should use the running game to run the clock out. Not sure what stats you are using but mine say the Eagles ran as much as they passed it. The other two still passed more than they ran.
03-05-2023, 11:35 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

You have to acknowledged that at least a piece of that efficiency is because WR don't have to worry about a Ronnie Lott separating their head from their body coming over middle and CB can't be as aggressive defending WR. That has helped making efficiency in passing better.

It has helped.

However, the 49ers of the 1980's were pretty analytical with how they ran their offense even though I don't think Bill Walsh realized it at the time. And they consistently had one of the best offenses in the 1980's with a pass first run the clock out philosophy. Same with the San Diego Chargers of that time as far as putting up point although they didn't win as much under Coryell because their defense wasn't very good.

So, I think that shows that passing the ball first would have worked even with stricter rules.

I would like to see MSU actually get ahead of this in football (for once) and run the offense analytically. And for the record Leach wasn't always analytical with his play calling. Like passing on third and one for example or inside the 6 yard line. Probably the most analytical offense I've seen in the SEC was LSU in 2019. I think MSU should strive to model that scheme. Before others do. And we get behind again.
03-05-2023, 11:36 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Analytics says that when you have a lead you should use the running game to run the clock out. Not sure what stats you are using but mine say the Eagles ran as much as they passed it. The other two still passed more than they ran.

SF 50.4% pass heavy
Philly 50.7% run heavy
Wash 50.7% pass heavy

So 50/50

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