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02-22-2023, 09:37 AM
Saltydog

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I want to see our pitchers be more aggressive. Attack hitters pound the strike zone and we've got guys that do that we just need more doing it.

I'm not sure some of our guys have the stuff to attack hitters CC. Some obviously do but I've seen a lot of very average stuff from several of our pitchers thus far and they know what's going to happen when they fill up the zone, just like Ty Hardin and Tyler Davis last night.
02-22-2023, 09:40 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Look around the country this week. Last night Vandy lost to Central Arkansas, Lipscomb beating Notre Dame, Elon beating Kentucky, California Baptist beat Oklahoma, Lamar beat TAMU. With the changes in the Minor League system 2 years ago, there are better players across the board in CBB and that is pushing talent down to the G5 schools quickly. Combine that with NIL and the portal, and there is going to be a lot more WTF loses for everyone moving forward. And - new teams are already emerging. Grand Canyon beat #2 Tennessee and I'd never even heard of that school.

Both of our losses are embarrassing because of how we lost, not just that we lost. Being outscored by double digits for large stretches of each game. I personally don't see a way to put lipstick on the pig for now but today is a new day. We have to get it turned around quickly if we want even a shot at post season play because it's hard to see this team winning more than half its conference games even in the best of scenarios.
02-22-2023, 09:44 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Look around the country this week. Last night Vandy lost to Central Arkansas, Lipscomb beating Notre Dame, Elon beating Kentucky, California Baptist beat Oklahoma, Lamar beat TAMU. With the changes in the Minor League system 2 years ago, there are better players across the board in CBB and that is pushing talent down to the G5 schools quickly. Combine that with NIL and the portal, and there is going to be a lot more WTF loses for everyone moving forward. And - new teams are already emerging. Grand Canyon beat #2 Tennessee and I'd never even heard of that school.

Losing is not what irked me last night. It is how we lost. We looked disinterested, kicked the ball around, took terrible ABs, and once again put pitchers on the mound who could not find the zone.
02-22-2023, 09:57 AM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Another thing that I noticed is we have alot of cross body pitchers. Cross body pitchers are a low statistically slower to home plate and also more susceptible to elbow injuries. I know Dierker made it a well established point of NOT even drafting ?crossers? as he called it.

FYI, I think it is pretty self explanatory but a cross body pitcher is one who starts on edge of rubber far right for righties and left for lefties and plant and rotate and finish on opposite side.

That makes Hunt a super cross body pitcher. Sometimes Saturday he was falling to his left out of balance.
02-22-2023, 09:58 AM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Losing is not what irked me last night. It is how we lost. We looked disinterested, kicked the ball around, took terrible ABs, and once again put pitchers on the mound who could not find the zone.

The freshmen pitchers looked good last night ,or at least they competed with the batters. The other 2, not so much.
02-22-2023, 10:15 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Look around the country this week. Last night Vandy lost to Central Arkansas, Lipscomb beating Notre Dame, Elon beating Kentucky, California Baptist beat Oklahoma, Lamar beat TAMU. With the changes in the Minor League system 2 years ago, there are better players across the board in CBB and that is pushing talent down to the G5 schools quickly. Combine that with NIL and the portal, and there is going to be a lot more WTF loses for everyone moving forward. And - new teams are already emerging. Grand Canyon beat #2 Tennessee and I'd never even heard of that school.

This is true but we weren't even really competitive last night. We didn't really hit any of their pitchers hardly. It wasn't like one guy pitched the game of his life. And they hit almost every guy we put out there.

I saw a tweet about the game. Other than hitting, pitching, fielding, base running, coaching, and anything else baseball related, we had a pretty good game yesterday.
02-22-2023, 10:21 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Both of our losses are embarrassing because of how we lost, not just that we lost. Being outscored by double digits for large stretches of each game. I personally don't see a way to put lipstick on the pig for now but today is a new day. We have to get it turned around quickly if we want even a shot at post season play because it's hard to see this team winning more than half its conference game even in the best of scenarios.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Losing is not what irked me last night. It is how we lost. We looked disinterested, kicked the ball around, took terrible ABs, and once again put pitchers on the mound who could not find the zone.

I'm not a big believer in the "it's not that we lost its how we lost" argument. A loss is a loss. There are a million different ways to lose, and I never felt any better after any different type of loss when I played.
Lemonis and Fox need to get their attention somehow, because we do seem to have lost our edge. I'd shake the lineup up today and tell Loo that if he starts well today, he's moving to the weekend rotation.
02-22-2023, 10:35 AM
Ari Gold

it All starts at the top
That post game press conference told me a lot and It was weak

You are either coaching it or allowing it to happen..

Clock is ticking on this staff, shit better get fixed ASAP, and I’m not sure you can just flip a switch .. if so he better flip that mother ****er
02-22-2023, 10:49 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Really this season could not have started much worse for us. We have essentially been 10 run ruled TWICE by bad teams. Losing 13-3 to VMI in this past Saturday's game after being up 10-1 and then being down 11-0 to ULM before scoring some meaningless runs last night. We are talking the likes of VMI and ULM! To me, this is about as bad as it can get for MSU baseball. Yes, its possible the light switch can flip on and we somehow become a good team because we certainly have some talent, but at this point, after what went down last year, its certainly difficult to expect it. And its so disheartening, because after the first 2 seasons I truly thought we really had something with Lemonis.

I agree with with. I was just thinking last night that this could not be much worse (outside of injuries, etc) - just talking pure performance.
02-22-2023, 10:50 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Losing is not what irked me last night. It is how we lost. We looked disinterested, kicked the ball around, took terrible ABs, and once again put pitchers on the mound who could not find the zone.

We got beat 7 out of 9 innings by a team that takes our step down transfers.
02-22-2023, 10:52 AM
Activated Alpha

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

it All starts at the top
That post game press conference told me a lot and It was weak

You are either coaching it or allowing it to happen..

Clock is ticking on this staff, shit better get fixed ASAP, and I’m not sure you can just flip a switch .. if so he better flip that mother ****er

This is my sentiment. Lemonis better be flipping that switch so mother****ing hard. I want to say this year will be a good one, but I feel like the team leaders we have now aren't cut out to be leaders (not saying they're bad players or bad teammates, but that they just don't have the courage to lead.) We also have a lot of young and new faces. I'm not sure how much help they would be able to provide this year in terms of success, but I am excited seeing them play together for the next few years...
02-22-2023, 10:52 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I'm not a big believer in the "it's not that we lost its how we lost" argument. A loss is a loss. There are a million different ways to lose, and I never felt any better after any different type of loss when I played.
Lemonis and Fox need to get their attention somehow, because we do seem to have lost our edge. I'd shake the lineup up today and tell Loo that if he starts well today, he's moving to the weekend rotation.

To be fair, we didn't lose our edge. We have never had it with this team
02-22-2023, 10:53 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

it All starts at the top
That post game press conference told me a lot and It was weak

You are either coaching it or allowing it to happen..

Clock is ticking on this staff, shit better get fixed ASAP, and I’m not sure you can just flip a switch .. if so he better flip that mother ****er

Any link to that Ari

What are the left field rumblings?
02-22-2023, 11:28 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

To be fair, we didn't lose our edge. We have never had it with this team

I'm talking from a program perspective, not just this team. We fought thru a metric shit ton of adversity from 2009-2021 and had our best decade in program history and we finally got over the top.
But, much like we learned in the JoMo experiment, we need a fire breathing dragon running our programs for some reason. Mullen, Vic, the Intense Bastard, and now Jans fit that. Leach was a little different, but he was old school and you didn't **** with that.
As much as some dislike Cohen the AD, the Intense Bastard could recruit, motivate, and established a culture that carried us through the Cann/Hendo/Lemo transition and got us that CWS ring finally. As much as I though Lemonis' first 3 seasons were carrying that forward, it looks like I may have been wrong and that mojo may be gone.
02-22-2023, 11:46 AM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I want to see our pitchers be more aggressive. Attack hitters pound the strike zone and we've got guys that do that we just need more doing it.

exactly--after being up 10-1 We should have just pounded the strike zone, hell-just throw fastballs--the only thing to hurt you is walks and errors.
02-22-2023, 11:48 AM
tcdog70

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Agree it's not all on Luke. Fast runners stealing second or third are 3.2-3.4. Pitchers need to be 1.1-1.4 to the plate. 1.5 and above you're going every time with your faster runners and even some of the average ones depending on catcher. Luke is average pop time for a college catcher. I got him at about 2.1(to second)on most throws so far. Combine that with our pitchers slow to the plate and we're gonna give up some sbs unless our pitchers help Luke out some. We've got some work to do for sure.

what has happened to pitch outs?
02-22-2023, 12:16 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

exactly--after being up 10-1 We should have just pounded the strike zone, hell-just throw fastballs--the only thing to hurt you is walks and errors.

Amen to that! I hate walks and i hate nibbling(although we haven't really nibbled we've missed BIG). Walks make me pull what's left of my hair out, cannot stand it! We gave them 24 baserunners saturday with only 7 freaking hits! I mean there are gonna be some walks but I've kicked over many a trash can in my day after just inexcusable non-competitive walks.
02-22-2023, 12:21 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I'm talking from a program perspective, not just this team. We fought thru a metric shit ton of adversity from 2009-2021 and had our best decade in program history and we finally got over the top.
But, much like we learned in the JoMo experiment, we need a fire breathing dragon running our programs for some reason. Mullen, Vic, the Intense Bastard, and now Jans fit that. Leach was a little different, but he was old school and you didn't **** with that.
As much as some dislike Cohen the AD, the Intense Bastard could recruit, motivate, and established a culture that carried us through the Cann/Hendo/Lemo transition and got us that CWS ring finally. As much as I thought Lemonis' first 3 seasons were carrying that forward, it looks like I may have been wrong and that mojo may be gone.

Lemonis has shown that he will chew ass if needed in the past. He just does it in the clubhouse or dugout or not in public view.

With our baseball fans and how Pollyanna some of them are that's probably not the worst thing ever.

Lemonis is a CEO coach. He is as good as his assistants. Right now his pitching coach sucks.
02-22-2023, 12:26 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I'm talking from a program perspective, not just this team. We fought thru a metric shit ton of adversity from 2009-2021 and had our best decade in program history and we finally got over the top.
But, much like we learned in the JoMo experiment, we need a fire breathing dragon running our programs for some reason. Mullen, Vic, the Intense Bastard, and now Jans fit that. Leach was a little different, but he was old school and you didn't **** with that.
As much as some dislike Cohen the AD, the Intense Bastard could recruit, motivate, and established a culture that carried us through the Cann/Hendo/Lemo transition and got us that CWS ring finally. As much as I though Lemonis' first 3 seasons were carrying that forward, it looks like I may have been wrong and that mojo may be gone.

Ok I'm on board with this / heck our fans still have the mojo it but if something doesn't change soon we will become like the Texas football fans lol - all the mojo and no team
02-22-2023, 12:27 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Amen to that! I hate walks and i hate nibbling(although we haven't really nibbled we've missed BIG). Walks make me pull what's left of my hair out, cannot stand it! We gave them 24 baserunners saturday with only 7 freaking hits! I mean there are gonna be some walks but I've kicked over many a trash can in my day after just inexcusable non-competitive walks.

We would have been better off with some random bench player tossing them 75 mph straight fastballs to atleast give our defense a chance

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