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True, but I was glad Scott took the risk and tried it out. It didn't work so he learned from it and canned it. I think that's a good example of putting his ass on the line with a risky choice to try and put MSU on the cutting edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
that is a long way away. I think if they even considered that, whoever made that call would lose their job quickly. LFL will always be there. I can see them ****ing around with rfl and the bleachers and visitors bullpent. You cant mess with teh LFL lizards, etc. Hell, the RFL shows up just as well now and does roll call.
I agree. We'll never be bama in football or Kentucky in basketball, but we can be the best in baseball. We can be the baseball school of the sec.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
I think it couldve worked but it didnt. They lost their ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I'm confused. So if we aren't planning to change the LFL, and nobody wants too, what are we talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
I think we HAVE to keep up with the Joneses when it comes to football because that's where the money is in the SEC. We can still have the best in baseball while being competitive in facilities in football IMO. That's why I agree with Engie, that when we change Dudy, it will be 1st class and Scott will make it badass. I think Scott is perfect for what we need at MSU. He understands our tradition, but he also knows we have to take more risks than some other SEC schools.
my thing is I think most know they cant mess with the outfield. Most know everything else needs to start from scratch. How do you get there? How can you do that without missing a season or moving the field 400 yards away?
IMO, renovation of anything we have currently is a waste of money. I hope others see it that way too.
I think you can build a new one in one year... You can certainly at least get in the grandstand structure in that period of time -- Maybe not have the club and skyboxes done in year one -- but have them sold with cga's pledged. The problem and holdup really becomes the demolition of the current structure...Maybe play the last month and first month in Pearl to give you an extra 2 months for demolition...
Hell, leave the current pressbox and skyboxes in place while demolishing everything around them so you don't lose those functions for a year... then tear them down in year 2...
The LFL rigs are not University owned and they are owned independently by fans. Therefore, if I fall off of a rig, it would be like me tripping and falling at someone's tailgating tent. It's not the University's fault.
I know LT tried to do away with the LFL about ten years ago. Some people have even joked that LT built the deck crappily on purpose so that they could say the LFL was a liability.
I'll say this too- if you can drive one of those rigs from Eupora or wherever to Starkville and it doesn't fall apart, it's probably safe.
Why cant we just get rid of the bleacher seats and do something different there to add seats and atmosphere?
Why cant we build a structure behind the RF fence like SC for the students?
Why cant we build another bathroom and concession area down the LF line where the bleachers are currently?
We dont have to start over to make some really good improvements to Dudy-Noble
I see all that as lipstick on the pig Coach.
Bottom line -- our skyboxes suck. They need to go -- and we need twice as many. I'm telling you -- the names on the doors up there are names that probably funded the build in the first place. There is/has been near zero turnover up there. You know there is more demand there -- even if names aren't on a waiting list(because they know there is no chance they ever get a box).
Our pressbox sucks. It needs to be torn out, there needs to be chairbacks in that spot, and it needs to be completely redone higher and further from the action.
The bleachers are terrible. We need chairbacks down the foul lines with good sight lines allowing us to sell more season tickets(this virtually can't be done without starting over). We'd sell 8k if we had "good" seating for that many. We've currently got 4300 chairbacks. We need 6500 based on the number of season tickets I think we would sell. Getting butts in the actual seats are a different discussion -- but we need to maximize what we can "sell" and worry about getting the people to actually show up for their seats after that fact. Bulldozing it also allows us to completely get rid of the lifetime seating problem..
I don't like South Carolina's setup nearly as much as I like OM's. Bleachers just provide limited room -- and really nowhere to put coolers without taking away spots. I like berms because tons of people can actually sit on their coolers making it an efficient use of the space. That is untrue for bleachers...
well, just depends where we are
I think we have a much better chance of getting something done that costs 3-4 million as opposed to 25 million
I just see 3-4 million as a precursor of wasted money before we spend $25 million. The big money is going to have to be dropped at Dudy Noble IMO -- and it will happen in the next decade as long as we stay relevant.
Once the football stuff is done and the softball/tennis renovations are in place, we will get serious about Dudy Noble -- and it will correspond nicely to increased revenue from the SECNetwork and increased revenue from all the new premium seating in the football expansion...as well as hopefully having a big increase in actual attendance at baseball.
MSU fans aren't going to stand for us "renovating" Dudy Noble and not(again) making it measurably better than Swayze. Just don't see how that is going to be sufficient for our fanbase longterm in the one sport we take tremendous pride in being one of the big boys...
yeah-but we are likely 5 years away at least....and thats a long time to wait for problems that need fixing immediatelyQuote:
Originally Posted by engie