LSU ace pitcher out for season

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Have y'all noticed we are throwing our starters more pitches early in the year this season than last year? Don't love it. But I'll defer

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Yep. We don’t have near as many effective pitchers as last year though. I don’t see us making a deep run though so I doubt we live to see the effects.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Since you are more closely connected to current events of youth baseball, do you think this is a travel ball unintended consequence? When I played the pitchers didn?t have these injuries as often. But we all played 2-3 other sports and had a rest period. I played college with a dude that threw 95 and played in the Bigs 8-10 years. But we didn?t have travel baseball. I played select soccer until 9th grade and then everything else took over.

I can?t imagine playing ?select? travel baseball and the toll that would take on a pitchers arm, during development stages. At some point we have to reign in the gung ho parents and travel ball shit. Throwing a baseball puts much more stress on your body than shooting a basketball or running around playing soccer. We’ve got to stop letting these parents try to live out their childhood dreams vicariously through their gifted children. It?s hurting them long term.

Maybe I?m wrong but that?s the difference I see in now and 20 years ago.

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Playing to much baseball is partly to blame but the big problem is the velo training to throw 95+. Human body wasn't made to do that and guys are throwing harder earlier which obviously taxes the body much sooner than it used too. And while travel ball isn't necessarily to blame the fact these kids(even the elite kids) are throwing harder and more than kids from my generation definitely takes it toll in arms. Even players whose innings and pitch counts are monitored now are throwing more innings and at higher velocity than when i was growing up. It's a combination of the 2 in most cases. Dr Andrews Will tell you it's the increase of year around baseball that's taking a toll along with the higher velos and he knows more than
any of us on this subject.

Well all I can say is that 10 years ago it was not uncommon to see a kid with draft potential to get pushed back because there was scar tissue and diables on his ligaments even though he “never had arm issues before.” A lot of kids are still growing and having these problems and it gets attributed to growing pains. When in actuality it is small tears. It is very standard to get complete MRI scans done by a third party for MLB draft teams. As a matter of fact, this was a Kimar Rocker deal where he did not want to cooperate with the scan.


The only way for scar tissue to develop is over a 1 year span and these kids were 18 that I knew of. So do the math on when those arms were being overworked…. Yes, there are very good travel teams out there that do manage their players very well, but for every one of those teams there are 3 others trying to become that team and players be damned.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Well all I can say is that 10 years ago it was not uncommon to see a kid with draft potential to get pushed back because there was scar tissue and diables on his ligaments even though he ?never had arm issues before.? A lot of kids are still growing and having these problems and it gets attributed to growing pains. When in actuality it is small tears. It is very standard to get complete MRI scans done by a third party for MLB draft teams. As a matter of fact, this was a Kimar Rocker deal where he did not want to cooperate with the scan.


The only way for scar tissue to develop is over a 1 year span and these kids were 18 that I knew of. So do the math on when those arms were being overworked?. Yes, there are very good travel teams out there that do manage their players very well, but for every one of those teams there are 3 others trying to become that team and players be damned.

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Right, Also a lot of these folks don't really start monitoring their pitch counts and innings until they become "prospects" around 15 years of age. Before that though, from ages 10-14 a lot of these kids are playing year around. I've seen to much of it happen. A lot of wear and tear can happen on an arm during those years.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Right, Also a lot of these folks don't really start monitoring their pitch counts and innings until they become "prospects" around 15 years of age. Before that though, from ages 10-14 a lot of these kids are playing year around. I've seen to much of it happen. A lot of wear and tear can happen on an arm during those years.

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I played all sports, no way I could have played just one sport. I had talent in all, is that bragging? LOL

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Right, Also a lot of these folks don't really start monitoring their pitch counts and innings until they become "prospects" around 15 years of age. Before that though, from ages 10-14 a lot of these kids are playing year around. I've seen to much of it happen. A lot of wear and tear can happen on an arm during those years.

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My father was always one to stop kids from throwing curveballs in youth ball. Felt that messed with your development. You could always learn the arm action at 16 or older once you've developed. Fastball / change up only.

Good man and lots loved his coaching styles. Needed more people with foresight coaching children at this age but unfortunately the ones with time are the ones that need to live vicariously and win that league championship they didn't as a kid.

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Originally Posted by basedog

I played all sports, no way I could have played just one sport. I had talent in all, is that bragging? LOL

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It's not bragging if you back it up! I played em all too but only had any real talent in baseball, although I was pretty good at catching a football lol.

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Originally Posted by Tater

My father was always one to stop kids from throwing curveballs in youth ball. Felt that messed with your development. You could always learn the arm action at 16 or older once you've developed. Fastball / change up only.

Good man and lots loved his coaching styles. Needed more people with foresight coaching children at this age but unfortunately the ones with time are the ones that need to live vicariously and win that league championship they didn't as a kid.

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Your dad was a Smart man! I taught my pitchers how to locate fb first, in out up down. If you can learn to locate your fastball you can do pretty much anything you want. Locating your fastball is a must if you're gonna be a successful pitcher at any level. After that work in change up and you can do well. Plenty of time to learn breaking ball later

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

It's not bragging if you back it up! I played em all too but only had any real talent in baseball, although I was pretty good at catching a football lol.

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My Dad burned me out in baseball, I made all stars pretty much every year, we could only play one sport in high school. Coaches told me I was running track, LOL. My mother wanted me to quit football and just play basketball, should have listened to her as I had 2 knee surgeries, broke arm, broke collarbone, and broke cheek bone. I actually loved basketball the most and ended up Coaching.

Where did you see Money is out for the year? I?m in New Orleans and there is no word of that. The coach said it was no big deal (injury).