I just spit my water out everywhere... hahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
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I just spit my water out everywhere... hahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Winston is kicking himself for not signing with an SEC school. He could have been suspended and reinstated within 24 hours.
Let me ask one question here......Why does Jameis Winston need to rape anyone? I'm pretty sure he's got every color and type of girl imaginable lining up to service him any way he pleases......so why would he rape anybody? Think about that.
The whole Lattimer/roids thing isn't near as realistic as the movie would like you think.
But when the supposed crime took place, no women on campus knew he was gonna be mr heismanQuote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
^^^^Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
i dont mind my post being deleted, but in the future if someone posts "white boy", i expect it to be deleted too. thanks
GOLDQuote:
Originally Posted by WeWonItAll(Most)
This doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the case, though. That isn't a defense. Just because he didn't have to, doesn't mean he didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
Nobody needs to rape anybody. I get your point, but the bottom line is that sometimes people do dumb things, and sometimes those things are criminal. I have no idea what went on that night, no idea if he raped her or not; but to think that it's impossible that he would stop himself from doing something stupid just because he might have easier options isn't very realistic. I would imagine that a lot of times in situations like this, the guy is there with his friends, people are egging each other on, they're probably inebriated, and they don't think too much about what they're doing. I don't think a lot of rapists do it solely because they need to get laid; it's about much more than that.
Smootness and mstate7 you both have good points, and I agree with both. It's the fact that 'Girl messes around, regrets decision, then cries rape' is VERY prevalent in this country right now. It makes the real rape victims look bad. I've heard that the girl thought it was a 5'9" guy, which would mean it wasn't Winston. Or Winston could have had consensual sex with a drunk chick. Just playing devil's advocate. I'm not throwing him under the bus just yet because many men's lives have been ruined by stupid bitches who cry rape.
By law, it isnt consensual if a person is drunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
I know, and we absolutely shouldn't jump too quickly to convict him. In fact, I think that's one of the main reasons why he hasn't been dragged through the mud in the media yet - it seems like they've learned their lesson after past incidents (like Duke lacrosse) and are actually showing a surprising level of restraint here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
There's no doubt that it has become a problem; Winston's attorney supposedly has some witnesses who will full back up his story. But these cases are so tough sometimes; maybe the witnesses are his friends? How credible will they be? But then, like you said, her initial description of the person doesn't seem to fit Winston.
I just know that defense doesn't fly, and it's one I actually believed in with the Kobe Bryant case. Of course, I still somewhat believe his story on that one because of how promiscuous that girl was; we don't know anything about this victim yet. But the more you think about that, you realize that someone who is a rapist isn't just sitting around wanting to get some action, getting denied and then thinking, 'Ok, then I'll just do this myself'. It's about power and control much more than it is about sex in most cases.
I don't want to jump to convict Winston, but I also don't want to jump to exonerate him, either.
What if both are drunk?Quote:
Originally Posted by HereComesTheSpiral
Guess its like multiplying two negative numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by CJDAWG85
Whew... Thought I was gonna be in trouble...Quote:
Originally Posted by HereComesTheSpiral
There worst part is, even if he is found guilty, the media will talk about how sad it is that this great football player's career could be over. It seems like in every case, the media, and most others will forget about the devastation the victim has suffered through all this and focus on what a loss it is for the athlete.
I think 90% of this board would be in troubleQuote:
Originally Posted by CJDAWG85
If my daughter was raped and could id the rapist, I wouldn't sit back and "consider" pressing charges. I would have contacted the justice department and the media. If he wasn't arrested in a few days following the incident.
At the time Winston was a nobody. He would have just been another dumb jock doing criminal shit. I will bet my left leg that this was not classic rape, probably not rape at all.
First of all, the heck is 'classic rape'?Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
Second of all, the only thing you said is, 'watch me jump to all kinds of conclusions'.
Winston was not a nobody at the time. He was the #1 QB in the country coming out of HS, was already playing college baseball, and was already thought of as a stud in Tallahassee and to knowledgeable college football fans. He was extremely well-known around campus.
And that's fine if you would handle it that way. But you might make life even worse for your daughter by doing so. Just because it is right for someone who commits a crime to be punished and makes the victim feel better doesn't always mean you should pursue justice for everything no matter what. The reality is, you may receive a lot of backlash if you come out and make accusations against someone like Jameis Winston...from people like you, apparently.
Well if your concern for backlash supersedes your desire for justice, then don't press charges. She wasn't raped. That's my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Actually, Winston was a starting outfielder and also pitched 27 innings for the FSU baseball team this Spring, so while the "investigation" and "bloodwork" was going on in the early months of 2013, FSU fans knew exactly who he was. Not to mention that he the #1 recruit in the country by some services and the #1 QB recruit by virtually all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction
Remember, the lead detective on the case apparently told the victim that she should just drop it because Winston was a high-profile athlete.
That's a pretty outrageous thing for someone who doesn't have a clue to say. We don't know the facts and it's obviously possible that Winston is innocent, but to call a potential rape victim a liar without any evidence is WAY beyond the pale. Attitudes like that contribute to the sad fact that less than half of rapes are even reported to police, and less than 10% lead to convictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by PendingTransaction